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Bros - M.D. stole my post and published it!!!

Stillgoing

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Bros - check this out:

I wrote a post in August called "My gym totally sucks....a rant...". In it I listed the top ten reasons I hate my gym. See the link below. Well, on Wednesday I'm on a plane to Vegas for a trade show and I'm reading the December issue of Muscular Development (with Marcus Ruhl on the cover) and low and behold, I'm reading my post all over again!!!

Yup, on page 282 and 283 in the Chemical Corner section by Bruce Kneller, he took my post, changed a couple words and bang, finished up his article!!! All ten points are right there. Its totally blatent.

Hey Bruce, since your likely reading this looking for your January material, if I'd known you were going to use my stuff I would have spent more than 5 minutes on it, maybe 10 or 15.

If anyone's got the issue handy, check it out. I also scanned the article, if interested, I'll email it to you.


http://boards.elitefitness.com/foru...did=257984&highlight=why+i+hate+my+gym+a+rant
 
Legally speaking, I wonder if you can do anything about it?

I don't think so because your post isn't copyrighted -- i'd be mad though.
 
DIHartman said:
Why dont you write them and call them out on it? You have the proof right here that you wrote it prior.
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Yeah bro, I'd be very pissed if I were you. Do something.
 
i haven't read the MD article, but i agree that in general, its pretty low down to copy someone elses work without giving cerdit for it. i would contact a lawyer. i'm not an intellectual property attorney but i think you might still be able to sue, however, you will need to register the copyrighted material before you can file suit. its pretty easy to get a copyright, especially because you only wrote your post 2 months ago. its worth a phone call. If you act quickly you can have your lawyer ask for an injunction which would basically make MD pull the issue from the shelves immediately. An injunction would give you a lot of bargaining power and you may be able to get a nice settlement.
 
The of that magazine is more the suspect. Elite fitness could have a better magazine just from taking different posters every month.
 
DIHartman said:
Why dont you write them and call them out on it? You have the proof right here that you wrote it prior.
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There is proof because the date is on the bottom of the post when it was made. That is DAMN weak of him!

Quad
 
lartinos said:
The of that magazine is more the suspect. Elite fitness could have a better magazine just from taking different posters every month.
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Yeah, could you just imagine people paying to read my posts in the Elite Between the Sheets forum. Wait... I could be our magazine sexologist. I like this idea Elite Fitness the magazine....
 
I figured they always took quotes or opinions from here... thats how they made their money for us doing their work..
 
I demand satisfaction for Stillgoing. Monetary compensation is what I'm talking about. I would definitely call them out on that. that's pure BS. Call the fuckin publisher/editor, whoever, and thell them you want to get paid or you'll sue.
 
you know, i was reading md on the plane recently (otherwise a good issue though -- i liked the ruhl article and the pro-deca article!) and I actually said to my wife "Look at this. This is almost verbatim this post I saw on EF." Didn't think about it again until now. ROFL!
 
Well it's likely they're reading this one too. LOL.

Maybe you should delete it till you figure out how you want to handle this? They might not have read it yet.
 
Got to fight for your own, bro. Call a lawyer. Fight this one.

They have NO LEGS here. IF they're reading the thread, they probably contact you because they KNOW they're weak.
 
why not write something else and send it to them and see if they publish it?
 
This is why I do not purchase Muscular Development. they flat out. Run the same pics every month for each of the stars... those lame ass cartoons up front... and their behind the times chemical corner. (Can you believe they are still touting Blue Diamond Labs as a superior one?)

Lame ass magazine... only Dexter in it has any class.
 
Damn that's fucked up to see and coming from a great mag like MD. Oh well great mag with a not so great writer in it. It's one thing to get some ideas from someone else(at least give credit here as well) but it's another to take their whole entire idea and then take complete credit for it.
 
Man, I just read that a few weeks ago and I remember thinking the same damn thing. "This sounds very, very familar." At the time couldn't figure out why, but now I know. That's a damn shame. Good luck trying to get something out the deal. Shit, you oughta ask Steve Bleichman (i think that's how you spell it) since they're printing your material to give you a job as one of their columnists. Lord knows you know more than half of those cats anyways.
 
lwgy said:
i haven't read the MD article, but i agree that in general, its pretty low down to copy someone elses work without giving cerdit for it. i would contact a lawyer. i'm not an intellectual property attorney but i think you might still be able to sue, however, you will need to register the copyrighted material before you can file suit. its pretty easy to get a copyright, especially because you only wrote your post 2 months ago. its worth a phone call. If you act quickly you can have your lawyer ask for an injunction which would basically make MD pull the issue from the shelves immediately. An injunction would give you a lot of bargaining power and you may be able to get a nice settlement.
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it wuld have had to have been protected at the time of unauthorized use, not ex-post-facto.

also a preliminary injunction would require you to post a bond equal to the defendants potential loss (cost of pulling mags and the lost sales/ad revenue) in the event you don't prevail in the actual case.
 
Thanks for the support bros!!

To Bruce from Stillgoing's attorney:

Sir, this is a very serious matter. I suggest we discuss settlement rather than expose the fact that most of your material comes right off an internet board, wouldn't you agree? Ok then, I'm pleased you see things our way. Now, I'm going to say a number, consider the units represented by that number to be Serostim kits, ehhh??? Fantastic. My clients firm and final offer is........
 
A time-stamped and dated post (to which you've provided a working link, so it's obviously out there) is absolute proof of priority. If there is a certain degree of similarity, you can file a suit wherein you seek royalties from fucko and company who stole your work and published it.

-M
 
Stillgoing said:
Thanks for the support bros!!

To Bruce from Stillgoing's attorney:

Sir, this is a very serious matter. I suggest we discuss settlement rather than expose the fact that most of your material comes right off an internet board, wouldn't you agree? Ok then, I'm pleased you see things our way. Now, I'm going to say a number, consider the units represented by that number to be Serostim kits, ehhh??? Fantastic. My clients firm and final offer is........
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HAHAHA! SEROSTIM KITS!!! That's how you know you're a builder - you want compensation in GH form... hahahaha!

-M
 
I just read the article and your post. On some of those Kneller doesnt even bother to change a single word! He just copied the entire post from beginning to end, and changed or added a few words now and then. What a jerkoff. He even asks people to send in what bothers them and he will print it and give them credit!!!!
 
Vectork39 said:
hey would i be able to post the article ( i scanned it as well) or is that a legal issue
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Don't know. I wish you would post it.

And regarding the bodybuilding.com thread: No, I am not Bruce Kneller. lol.......
 
I think:

1. Put it in your gallery.
2. Right click on picture.
3. Highlight and copy link.
4. Insert into post with IMG tags (
.IMG]) with no parenthesees and no period.
 
They just moved it to the supplement forum. I also just started one in their steroid forum titled-Bruce Kneller is a fraud. See how long that one lasts?
 
Here is Tom Prince's reply to my post on the subject over at Muscle Mayhem:

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Guy Grunde, who writes for MUSCLEMAG, does the same thing every month to me and Bob Cicherillo. Last month, there was 3-4 seperate posts that Guy took off this website to use in his column. I, personally, do not mind.
But, Guy always adds that he's giving the reader a "quote from Tom Prince". He doesn't claim my writing as his own.

In STILLGOING's case, it sounds like Bruce Kneller just blatantly plagerized a post, and gave NO credit to STILLGOING. Now that sucks.

If you're getting paid to WRITE articles, you should have to write them, YOURSELF.

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I knew I liked him!!.......:)
 
Holy Shit Stillgoing! I just read the article and compared it with your post, and that Mo-Fo definitely plagerized your post. What a chump! That makes his credibility look pretty nill now. I'd love to hear his response to this one...."uh, umm, uh?????" Get his ass. Make him write you a written apology in MD next month that is 1/4-1/2 page in size and publish that!
 
Legal action... probably not. Professional action... probably yes.

Just about all of these posts are put up in the public domain -- now, if a work is original enough (say, a 200 page post on the use of anabolic steroids) -- and someone copies it exactly (with minor changes) -- you could probably sue and get some money out of it (based off what they were paid) -- for the simple fact that you don't have to have a work copyrighted, once you finish it, you HAVE a copyright... just not a registered one.

For something like top 10 reasons I hate my gym... it is believeable that someone could have the same 10 reasons... or at least a judge would probably say so.

You could always write the editor of the mag, and include a link to your post (which is dated) -- and bring it up to him... that way, it would reflect on the guys professionalism... and could hurt his name.

C-ditty
 
Citruscide said:

You could always write the editor of the mag, and include a link to your post (which is dated) -- and bring it up to him... that way, it would reflect on the guys professionalism... and could hurt his name.

C-ditty
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Is it done yet stillgoing? Send us a copy of what you write(to the mag) and the response if you get one.
 
hardrock said:


Is it done yet stillgoing? Send us a copy of what you write(to the mag) and the response if you get one.
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I made an issue of it because;

1- its funny, and
2- its sad.

Its not like I spent any time or effort on the post, or, think it has any value beyond some entertainment value for me and maybe some of my Elite bros.

The fact that Bruce found it to have enough value to plagerize it is sad commentary on the quality of M.D.s content. But, I doubt they care. In fact, the MD staff is probably getting a chuckle on over this. If you've ever read the mag; you'd have little doubt they are not shooting for any literary awards over there.......
 
Part of the problem with many of these fitness magazines is that of content...

For example, there are only so many excercises for the bicep... and quite possibly one of the most effective is the barbell curl. Now, the editors of these magazines know this. However, they need something to DRAW readers. GAIN 2" on your biceps! With what? A workout that everyone already knows about. Barbell curls, preacher curls, etc.

It's the lack of originality and ability of these editors to come up with interesting, groud-breaking information for the fitness community that truly disappoints me.

C-ditty
 
Citruscide said:
Part of the problem with many of these fitness magazines is that of content...

For example, there are only so many excercises for the bicep... and quite possibly one of the most effective is the barbell curl. Now, the editors of these magazines know this. However, they need something to DRAW readers. GAIN 2" on your biceps! With what? A workout that everyone already knows about. Barbell curls, preacher curls, etc.

It's the lack of originality and ability of these editors to come up with interesting, groud-breaking information for the fitness community that truly disappoints me.

C-ditty
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There are so many different topics and issues they could be covering...unfortunetely mags are more interested in supplement promo.
 
An elite fitness monthly magazine would be a good idea. George and Sam could choose certain informational posts each month and put a magazine together in some of the different catagories on the boards. It could be interesting!
 
Guys, putting out a magazine is a matter of advertising, the content is just fluff, anyone reading the articles regularly has to be a moron.
 
DelCastillo said:
Cute. FUnny he did post a copy of the July email to prove his point...
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Doesn't change the fact that he didn't give anyone credit for it, and put it in there as if he wrote it.
 
hardrock said:
Bruce actually responded to the thread. You'll love hie excuse.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=2117539#post2117539
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That guy is too much. Just for the record - I did write the post and I wrote it after coming to work from the gym on whatever day I posted it. Whatever day of the week it is, you'll find it to be a weekday. I do live in the town listed and work out at the gym listed and I did live in Detroit, etc. etc.......

Frankly, before Bruce picked up the post and republished it, I never in my wildest dreams would think that my post was worthy of copying and passing off as original work.

You watch - no email in July will be found. And if one is; its been hastily created. I suppose its conceivable someone emailed the post to him AFTER I wrote it. Funny though, he feels he needs to go that extra step and say it was sent to him BEFORE I wrote the post, thus discrediting my post as plagerism. Why not just say he was sent the info in August and he had no idea it came from Elite, etc. Answer: A very defensive reaction, read: Busted.....

Finally, regarding his proposal to provide writing credits; see my previous posts on this thread. This has nothing to do with wanting credit for my ravings.....its only about highlighting MD's "journalistic methods".....
 
Sounds like he's fessing up now.

Actually, my bad, the e-mail I have was sent to me on 09/07/2003 (So I am dyslexic). I have sent an e-mail to the author asking if I can reveal who he (his e-mail addy) as soon as he replies, upon request, I am happy to post such here.
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:FRlol:
 
Notice he said he'd be happy to post a correction "here", meaning the website. No mention of a correct in the magazine.
 
Bros, lets rap this up. Its a done issue. Here's what I posted on Mayhem:

For the record:

While this thing has gone wild on a couple boards (to include the author being called out), my only intention was to mention a weird experience that happened to me: I'm sitting on a plane going to a trade show, bored to death, looking at an MD, and, boom, I read my post. It doesn't happen everyday. I thought my Elite & Mayhem bros would be interested, so I posted it. That's really it. Yes, I did comment that given its obviously no literary masterpiece, to me, it represents a disappointing commentary on some of MD's journalistic technique; but I said nothing beyond that.

Finally, to briefly address some of the PMs I'm getting at this board and others:

- I have no interest in getting my name on this (despite Tom's accurate view of my explosive career potential in this field, to include the brand name value of the STILLGOING enterprise!!). In fact, as a mid-30s professional with a family, I like to keep my bodybuilding hobby and the rest of my life very separate and distinct, thank you very much.

- I am not going to bug MD about this. I don't care and they most certainly don't care.

- Legal issue? To consider that, what they took from me would have to have some value. Enough said.
 
Stillgoing said:
Bros, lets rap this up. Its a done issue. Here's what I posted on Mayhem:

For the record:

While this thing has gone wild on a couple boards (to include the author being called out), my only intention was to mention a weird experience that happened to me: I'm sitting on a plane going to a trade show, bored to death, looking at an MD, and, boom, I read my post. It doesn't happen everyday. I thought my Elite & Mayhem bros would be interested, so I posted it. That's really it. Yes, I did comment that given its obviously no literary masterpiece, to me, it represents a disappointing commentary on some of MD's journalistic technique; but I said nothing beyond that.

Finally, to briefly address some of the PMs I'm getting at this board and others:

- I have no interest in getting my name on this (despite Tom's accurate view of my explosive career potential in this field, to include the brand name value of the STILLGOING enterprise!!). In fact, as a mid-30s professional with a family, I like to keep my bodybuilding hobby and the rest of my life very separate and distinct, thank you very much.

- I am not going to bug MD about this. I don't care and they most certainly don't care.

- Legal issue? To consider that, what they took from me would have to have some value. Enough said.
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Even if the readers of that mag are unaware of the journalisitc practices of its "writers", we here know the truth...
And since I work in the fitness industry I can surely pass this knowledge on to my clientelle, and then they will know it and the chain continues onward. If they think this won't cause them damage (in a round about way even), then they are mistaken...

btw congratulations on getting your work published....Its a hard thing to do lol...:D
 
Originally I thought you should get at least a lifetime subscription but something you said (paraphrased) made me change my mind...

"what they GAVE you would have to have some value."

Enough said.
 
DelCastillo said:
Originally I thought you should get at least a lifetime subscription but something you said (paraphrased) made me change my mind...

"what they GAVE you would have to have some value."

Enough said.
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:)
 
What can you say, that's pretty sad indeed. Bruce Kneller, you should have at least asked permission from Stillgoing as well as GS. I guess some people know no shame.
 
Next you're going to tell me that Muscletech products don't produce what their ads claim.
 
hardrock... what Muscletech products are responsible for Lee Priest coming in shreaded after being a fat ass in the off season??? You mean Kovacs didn't build his freaky size on Cell Tech, NitroTech and Acebolan??? Wow, my entire bodybuilding belief system has just been destroyed.

Anyway, this whole situation is rediculous. I've noticed that Bruce Kneller in some of his articles has missed the mark on a number of things involving steroids. Perhaps he needs to spend more time on EF reading the board.
 
I had a thread about there being no good body building mags and that elite should have one weeks ago. I also said that different posters could contribute every month in one section. But nobody responded to my thread. Boo hoo
 
BodyByFinaplix said:


Yeah, could you just imagine people paying to read my posts in the Elite Between the Sheets forum. Wait... I could be our magazine sexologist. I like this idea Elite Fitness the magazine....
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HAHAHAHA

BUt ya I would be bullshit,... and YOUR article is awesome!
go cash in
 
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