BROS HELP ME OUT... worried.

[Redshoteye]

Too young for gear but popping prohormone pills? Do you really believe some unregulated who-knows-what in a capsule is safer for you than a human grade steroid produced in a lab by a pharmaceutical company? If you're too young for one, you're too young for both.

Once again, lesson learned... I'm just trying to be proactive now and not crash. I'm was planning on taking the 6-OXO but not anymore.

 

[LoneTree]

This has gotta be a joke.......

My family doctor just calls me (he kind of knows I started taking andro) and is all livid on the phone and tells me to stop whatever I'm taking right now, apparently they tested my blood twice and my HDL was under 10!!! This doesn't make any sense because my total cholesterol is 160 and triglycerides are 67, which is pretty damn good.

Either the andro was interfering with the blood test or it actually lowered it by that much. I've only been on it for two weeks so I can't imagine it being that low... dosages were very high though.

For comparision, lets just say my HDL was 40 back in 2003 when I was out-of-shape and probably 10-15lbs overweight. I've never really freaked out about anything before but this is coming close.... if I stop this andro cold-turkey I'm afraid of estrogen sides.....

I dont have a source for nolvadex and this is my second day of not taking it or anything at all. My doc said to stop everything even fucking protein. Help a bro out I don't wanna lose the 5lbs of lean mass I gained and I don't want to crash... but I don't want my cholesterol messed up for the rest of my life...

What should I do bros? (Yes I know pro-hormones are stupid now, lesson learned)

Anti-estro will make it worse, I agree.
AAS does decrease HDL significantly.
It was a mistake to get your cholestrol profile done while you were on.
Your choice: Complete your cycle.
About two months later, get your profile checked again.
Probably your HDL would be back to baseline.
If you plan to do several cycles, then try to keep your profile extra-good during the intervals.
Statins are not that good in increasing HDL, but they are very good at significantly decreasing LDL and thus improve the ratio.
I have excellent HDL and I don't cycle that much, but if I were you, I would do it.

 

[Redshoteye]

Anti-estro will make it worse, I agree.
AAS does decrease HDL significantly.
It was a mistake to get your cholestrol profile done while you were on.
Your choice: Complete your cycle.
About two months later, get your profile checked again.
Probably your HDL would be back to baseline.
If you plan to do several cycles, then try to keep your profile extra-good during the intervals.
Statins are not that good in increasing HDL, but they are very good at significantly decreasing LDL and thus improve the ratio.
I have excellent HDL and I don't cycle that much, but if I were you, I would do it.

Do what? statins?

I just don't know about completing this cycle. An HDL ratio of 10 is terrible.... anything under 40 is high risk wouldnt you agree? This is not to mention I'm only 20.

 

[bigbair]

Too young for gear but popping prohormone pills? Do you really believe some unregulated who-knows-what in a capsule is safer for you than a human grade steroid produced in a lab by a pharmaceutical company? If you're too young for one, you're too young for both.

At least he can see that he's not ready for gear. Unfortunately, I think there is a common misconception that because these things are not technically 'steroids' then no harm can come of them.

 

[Redshoteye]

If my HDL was this affected by pro-h's would it be safe to say I could never do a "real cycle" ?...

I got a re-test today... hoping the machine was messed up and not my blood.

 

[Dial_tone]

A little Google goes a long way.

http://www.loweringcholesterol.net/show/raise-hdl-cholesterol

 

[fugetaboutit]

If my HDL was this affected by pro-h's would it be safe to say I could never do a "real cycle" ?...

I got a re-test today... hoping the machine was messed up and not my blood.

many pro-hormones (actually i would say most) are worse than actual aas in terms of toxicity and sides . M1T for example. They also don't give you half the gains that you would get from a real cycle. They are twice as expensive and they're not regulated in any way, shape, or form. Think about this, every maker of pro-hormones (when they were still legal) never told you on the bottle and the directions for use that you would need to do PCT afterwards to get your natural test levels back or any risks that could be associated with their use. So while they knew that you would need post cycle therapy (probably the most important aspect of a cycle) they never told you so and on top of that, they claimed that their product is "completely safe and free of side effects." So, doing a cycle of any certain compound that has been in existence for some time and has been researched and we KNOW the side effects and how it interacts with the human body is going to be far more safer than using something that is not regulated, new, and no documented research exists on it. If I was you I would never touch pro-hormones again and when you're a little older and have done the exhaustive reaserch on it, then you'll be able to reconsider and make a relatively sound decision.

 

[Advisor_x]

du no

 

[Redshoteye]

many pro-hormones (actually i would say most) are worse than actual aas in terms of toxicity and sides . M1T for example. They also don't give you half the gains that you would get from a real cycle. They are twice as expensive and they're not regulated in any way, shape, or form. Think about this, every maker of pro-hormones (when they were still legal) never told you on the bottle and the directions for use that you would need to do PCT afterwards to get your natural test levels back or any risks that could be associated with their use. So while they knew that you would need post cycle therapy (probably the most important aspect of a cycle) they never told you so and on top of that, they claimed that their product is "completely safe and free of side effects." So, doing a cycle of any certain compound that has been in existence for some time and has been researched and we KNOW the side effects and how it interacts with the human body is going to be far more safer than using something that is not regulated, new, and no documented research exists on it. If I was you I would never touch pro-hormones again and when you're a little older and have done the exhaustive reaserch on it, then you'll be able to reconsider and make a relatively sound decision.

Thanks bro.... what what you do NOW, eventhough I was only 2.5 weeks on I'm sure I still need some sort of PCT, but my cholesterol is just so dangerously low right now...

 

[trickassmark]

yeah man a lot of prohormones shut down ur natural test production like steroids... if ur too young for steroids, then your too young for prohormones. They are very similar... and they suck by the way.