BROS HELP ME OUT... worried.

[Redshoteye]

This has gotta be a joke.......

My family doctor just calls me (he kind of knows I started taking andro) and is all livid on the phone and tells me to stop whatever I'm taking right now, apparently they tested my blood twice and my HDL was under 10!!! This doesn't make any sense because my total cholesterol is 160 and triglycerides are 67, which is pretty damn good.

Either the andro was interfering with the blood test or it actually lowered it by that much. I've only been on it for two weeks so I can't imagine it being that low... dosages were very high though.

For comparision, lets just say my HDL was 40 back in 2003 when I was out-of-shape and probably 10-15lbs overweight. I've never really freaked out about anything before but this is coming close.... if I stop this andro cold-turkey I'm afraid of estrogen sides.....

I dont have a source for nolvadex and this is my second day of not taking it or anything at all. My doc said to stop everything even fucking protein. Help a bro out I don't wanna lose the 5lbs of lean mass I gained and I don't want to crash... but I don't want my cholesterol messed up for the rest of my life...

What should I do bros? (Yes I know pro-hormones are stupid now, lesson learned)

 

[ruggermu]

You talked about not having a source for nolv, check our sponser. AG-guys up at the top in the stickies. They got a good line of liquid ancillaries.

 

[bigmann245]

go to ag guys website. they have what you need for anti-e's. but you know i have to say this, why didnt you have all your gear before you start incase of things that are unforseen? just take this as a lesson learned if there is a next time.

 

[swordfish151]

yeah AG has some liquinolva you could get..

 

[Redshoteye]

Well I have 6-oxo, but I heard otc anti-estrogens lower HDL even more. I just don't know about online purchasing...... I'm so freaked out about that shit.

 

[swordfish151]

Well I have 6-oxo, but I heard otc anti-estrogens lower HDL even more. I just don't know about online purchasing...... I'm so freaked out about that shit.

PRO-HORMONES SUCK!

 

[Redshoteye]

I know bro... I'm just too young for gear.

 

[bigmann245]

Well I have 6-oxo, but I heard otc anti-estrogens lower HDL even more. I just don't know about online purchasing...... I'm so freaked out about that shit.

these guys are legit. i bought t3 from them and many other bros got stuff from them. its all good. take the plung. it sounds to me like your only option. if you order today youll have it in 2-3 days max.

 

[proken]

Nolv quick... check ef sponsor ag-guys...
Health wise, I would follow the doc's instructions for a few days untill you can get your own blood test done at lef.org, another ef sponsor. It takes about a week to go through the hoops with lef, but it's only about half a c note and is confidential. Get the CBC done, that will give you a good idea of where your body is at all together. The results are very easily read too.
Cheers.
Pro Ken.

 

[stuck]

I know bro... I'm just too young for gear.

Too young for gear but popping prohormone pills? Do you really believe some unregulated who-knows-what in a capsule is safer for you than a human grade steroid produced in a lab by a pharmaceutical company? If you're too young for one, you're too young for both.

 

[Redshoteye]

Too young for gear but popping prohormone pills? Do you really believe some unregulated who-knows-what in a capsule is safer for you than a human grade steroid produced in a lab by a pharmaceutical company? If you're too young for one, you're too young for both.

Once again, lesson learned... I'm just trying to be proactive now and not crash. I'm was planning on taking the 6-OXO but not anymore.

 

[LoneTree]

This has gotta be a joke.......

My family doctor just calls me (he kind of knows I started taking andro) and is all livid on the phone and tells me to stop whatever I'm taking right now, apparently they tested my blood twice and my HDL was under 10!!! This doesn't make any sense because my total cholesterol is 160 and triglycerides are 67, which is pretty damn good.

Either the andro was interfering with the blood test or it actually lowered it by that much. I've only been on it for two weeks so I can't imagine it being that low... dosages were very high though.

For comparision, lets just say my HDL was 40 back in 2003 when I was out-of-shape and probably 10-15lbs overweight. I've never really freaked out about anything before but this is coming close.... if I stop this andro cold-turkey I'm afraid of estrogen sides.....

I dont have a source for nolvadex and this is my second day of not taking it or anything at all. My doc said to stop everything even fucking protein. Help a bro out I don't wanna lose the 5lbs of lean mass I gained and I don't want to crash... but I don't want my cholesterol messed up for the rest of my life...

What should I do bros? (Yes I know pro-hormones are stupid now, lesson learned)

Anti-estro will make it worse, I agree.
AAS does decrease HDL significantly.
It was a mistake to get your cholestrol profile done while you were on.
Your choice: Complete your cycle.
About two months later, get your profile checked again.
Probably your HDL would be back to baseline.
If you plan to do several cycles, then try to keep your profile extra-good during the intervals.
Statins are not that good in increasing HDL, but they are very good at significantly decreasing LDL and thus improve the ratio.
I have excellent HDL and I don't cycle that much, but if I were you, I would do it.

 

[Redshoteye]

Anti-estro will make it worse, I agree.
AAS does decrease HDL significantly.
It was a mistake to get your cholestrol profile done while you were on.
Your choice: Complete your cycle.
About two months later, get your profile checked again.
Probably your HDL would be back to baseline.
If you plan to do several cycles, then try to keep your profile extra-good during the intervals.
Statins are not that good in increasing HDL, but they are very good at significantly decreasing LDL and thus improve the ratio.
I have excellent HDL and I don't cycle that much, but if I were you, I would do it.

Do what? statins?

I just don't know about completing this cycle. An HDL ratio of 10 is terrible.... anything under 40 is high risk wouldnt you agree? This is not to mention I'm only 20.

 

[bigbair]

Too young for gear but popping prohormone pills? Do you really believe some unregulated who-knows-what in a capsule is safer for you than a human grade steroid produced in a lab by a pharmaceutical company? If you're too young for one, you're too young for both.

At least he can see that he's not ready for gear. Unfortunately, I think there is a common misconception that because these things are not technically 'steroids' then no harm can come of them.

 

[Redshoteye]

If my HDL was this affected by pro-h's would it be safe to say I could never do a "real cycle" ?...

I got a re-test today... hoping the machine was messed up and not my blood.

 

[Dial_tone]

A little Google goes a long way.

http://www.loweringcholesterol.net/show/raise-hdl-cholesterol

 

[fugetaboutit]

If my HDL was this affected by pro-h's would it be safe to say I could never do a "real cycle" ?...

I got a re-test today... hoping the machine was messed up and not my blood.

many pro-hormones (actually i would say most) are worse than actual aas in terms of toxicity and sides . M1T for example. They also don't give you half the gains that you would get from a real cycle. They are twice as expensive and they're not regulated in any way, shape, or form. Think about this, every maker of pro-hormones (when they were still legal) never told you on the bottle and the directions for use that you would need to do PCT afterwards to get your natural test levels back or any risks that could be associated with their use. So while they knew that you would need post cycle therapy (probably the most important aspect of a cycle) they never told you so and on top of that, they claimed that their product is "completely safe and free of side effects." So, doing a cycle of any certain compound that has been in existence for some time and has been researched and we KNOW the side effects and how it interacts with the human body is going to be far more safer than using something that is not regulated, new, and no documented research exists on it. If I was you I would never touch pro-hormones again and when you're a little older and have done the exhaustive reaserch on it, then you'll be able to reconsider and make a relatively sound decision.

 

[Advisor_x]

du no

 

[Redshoteye]

many pro-hormones (actually i would say most) are worse than actual aas in terms of toxicity and sides . M1T for example. They also don't give you half the gains that you would get from a real cycle. They are twice as expensive and they're not regulated in any way, shape, or form. Think about this, every maker of pro-hormones (when they were still legal) never told you on the bottle and the directions for use that you would need to do PCT afterwards to get your natural test levels back or any risks that could be associated with their use. So while they knew that you would need post cycle therapy (probably the most important aspect of a cycle) they never told you so and on top of that, they claimed that their product is "completely safe and free of side effects." So, doing a cycle of any certain compound that has been in existence for some time and has been researched and we KNOW the side effects and how it interacts with the human body is going to be far more safer than using something that is not regulated, new, and no documented research exists on it. If I was you I would never touch pro-hormones again and when you're a little older and have done the exhaustive reaserch on it, then you'll be able to reconsider and make a relatively sound decision.

Thanks bro.... what what you do NOW, eventhough I was only 2.5 weeks on I'm sure I still need some sort of PCT, but my cholesterol is just so dangerously low right now...

 

[trickassmark]

yeah man a lot of prohormones shut down ur natural test production like steroids... if ur too young for steroids, then your too young for prohormones. They are very similar... and they suck by the way.

 

[fugetaboutit]

Thanks bro.... what what you do NOW, eventhough I was only 2.5 weeks on I'm sure I still need some sort of PCT, but my cholesterol is just so dangerously low right now...

Just eat very, very clean. Don't eat crap like fast food, fried foods, etc. Yes, I would stop your cycle now, and just give it some time. Your levels will come back up gradually. It's not permanent. Don't freak out or anything, just stay calm and monitor the situation.

 

[cboogsrun]

Not usre if I agree with the companys not telling you about pct. Biotest for example sold mag10. They also sold a performance pack with mag10, M and on other product for post cycle. They also gave good directions on how to take all three compounds. Mag10 was the closest thing to steroids that I have ever taken. Just put a lot of dense fat while taking it. Just my 2 cents

boogs

many pro-hormones (actually i would say most) are worse than actual aas in terms of toxicity and sides . M1T for example. They also don't give you half the gains that you would get from a real cycle. They are twice as expensive and they're not regulated in any way, shape, or form. Think about this, every maker of pro-hormones (when they were still legal) never told you on the bottle and the directions for use that you would need to do PCT afterwards to get your natural test levels back or any risks that could be associated with their use. So while they knew that you would need post cycle therapy (probably the most important aspect of a cycle) they never told you so and on top of that, they claimed that their product is "completely safe and free of side effects." So, doing a cycle of any certain compound that has been in existence for some time and has been researched and we KNOW the side effects and how it interacts with the human body is going to be far more safer than using something that is not regulated, new, and no documented research exists on it. If I was you I would never touch pro-hormones again and when you're a little older and have done the exhaustive reaserch on it, then you'll be able to reconsider and make a relatively sound decision.

 

[fugetaboutit]

Not usre if I agree with the companys not telling you about pct. Biotest for example sold mag10. They also sold a performance pack with mag10, M and on other product for post cycle. They also gave good directions on how to take all three compounds. Mag10 was the closest thing to steroids that I have ever taken. Just put a lot of dense fat while taking it. Just my 2 cents

boogs

yeah some companies may indicated that but I was just speaking generally of most companies out there.

 

[RADAR]

Well I have 6-oxo, but I heard otc anti-estrogens lower HDL even more. I just don't know about online purchasing...... I'm so freaked out about that shit.

Another option is to just Quit cold turkey! Your levels will gradually come back up but don't expect to keep any weight you gained!

RADAR

 

[Redshoteye]

Another option is to just Quit cold turkey! Your levels will gradually come back up but don't expect to keep any weight you gained!

RADAR

My health is more important than keeping muscle... fuck it. I'm actually starting to have a little chest pain, damn

 

[RADAR]

My health is more important than keeping muscle... fuck it. I'm actually starting to have a little chest pain, damn

Dude! Just calm down!
Its no biggie,you're gonna make yourself sick.....so ease back & clear your mind & take some deep breaths!

RADAR




BTW! I bet my bloodwork is probably more messed up than yours I've been running everything under the sun since April!
RADAR[/QUOTE]

 

[JP@Ironology]

This has gotta be a joke.......

My family doctor just calls me (he kind of knows I started taking andro) and is all livid on the phone and tells me to stop whatever I'm taking right now, apparently they tested my blood twice and my HDL was under 10!!! This doesn't make any sense because my total cholesterol is 160 and triglycerides are 67, which is pretty damn good.

Either the andro was interfering with the blood test or it actually lowered it by that much. I've only been on it for two weeks so I can't imagine it being that low... dosages were very high though.

For comparision, lets just say my HDL was 40 back in 2003 when I was out-of-shape and probably 10-15lbs overweight. I've never really freaked out about anything before but this is coming close.... if I stop this andro cold-turkey I'm afraid of estrogen sides.....

I dont have a source for nolvadex and this is my second day of not taking it or anything at all. My doc said to stop everything even fucking protein. Help a bro out I don't wanna lose the 5lbs of lean mass I gained and I don't want to crash... but I don't want my cholesterol messed up for the rest of my life...

What should I do bros? (Yes I know pro-hormones are stupid now, lesson learned)

Couple of things bro:

1. You had blood work done which is a great thing.

2. An HDL of 10 is horrible. The good news is it will improve if you stop the andro. East a clean diet and exercise and your HDL should go back to baseline in 1-3 months. I have heard of bro's having HDLs of 10-15. I have gone as low as ~28 and I bounced back to an HDL of ~56 after two months of cessation.

3. You say you have been on Andro for 2 weeks but I don't know you’re past history so it is tough to know what other contributing factors you have. Have you done Andro in the past? Genetics? Over-weight? Also, your HDL was 40 in 2003. That was 2 years ago! Have a complete physical every year if you can afford it.

In time you should be fine.

Good luck!

 

[RADAR]

Couple of things bro:

1. You had blood work done which is a great thing.

2. An HDL of 10 is horrible. The good news is it will improve if you stop the andro. East a clean diet and exercise and your HDL should go back to baseline in 1-3 months. I have heard of bro's having HDLs of 10-15. I have gone as low as ~28 and I bounced back to an HDL of ~56 after two months of cessation.

3. You say you have been on Andro for 2 weeks but I don't know you’re past history so it is tough to know what other contributing factors you have. Have you done Andro in the past? Genetics? Over-weight? Also, your HDL was 40 in 2003. That was 2 years ago! Have a complete physical every year if you can afford it.

In time you should be fine.

Good luck!

If the andro is the culpert and caused this dramatic rapid drop than stopping it should bring levels back up relatively quick since its only been 2 weeks! No damage done.
RADAR

 

[Redshoteye]

Couple of things bro:
3. You say you have been on Andro for 2 weeks but I don't know you’re past history so it is tough to know what other contributing factors you have. Have you done Andro in the past? Genetics? Over-weight? Also, your HDL was 40 in 2003. That was 2 years ago! Have a complete physical every year if you can afford it.

Thanks dude.

Never took any andro/gear before. Good genetics, not overweight (6'2" 190lbs 12%bf), exercise daily, and my cholesterol right now is 160 and triglycerides 60 something... which is very good.

Thats why I was so shocked.

 

[Redshoteye]

If the andro is the culpert and caused this dramatic rapid drop than stopping it should bring levels back up relatively quick since its only been 2 weeks! No damage done.
RADAR

Bummed b/c I'm just thinking because of my bodies response to this I will never be able to do a real cycle... when I'm older of course.

 

[JP@Ironology]

Thanks dude.

Never took any andro/gear before. Good genetics, not overweight (6'2" 190lbs 12%bf), exercise daily, and my cholesterol right now is 160 and triglycerides 60 something... which is very good.

Thats why I was so shocked.

Catalyst,

Glad to help. Again, you will be fine. You learned an important thing....blood work is important when using any androgen/anabolic. Also, you learned about RISK. All AAS carry some risk with usage. One must first get educated about AAS and then decide if the benefit/risk ratio is worth it.

JP

 

[LoneTree]

Do what? statins?

I just don't know about completing this cycle. An HDL ratio of 10 is terrible.... anything under 40 is high risk wouldnt you agree? This is not to mention I'm only 20.

'Statins' are usual cholesterol lowering medicines, like zocor, lipitor, mevacor, etc. (You should do some of your own research).
Look at it this way: Your HDL and ratio is bad for 3 months (while on). You may have some arterial clogging.
For next 6 months (while off), keep your cholestrol better then average.
So balance 3 bad months with 6 good months. Overall result: no adverse effect. Unless you are above 50 and have clinical indications of clogged arteries. Then you shouldn't do ASS.
Low HDL is going to happen with ASS in some people. You have to accept the fact. Other than what I have mentioned, there is no other alternative.

 

[LVTitan]

my hdl level was screwedfrom a dbol cycle, but within a month after i was clean, it was back to nearly normal. that is a side effect of orals bro..
and prohormones are WORSE for you than real gear my man.
less results, more side effects.

 

[Redshoteye]

My doctor told me to stay off everything (even fucking protein) but I just think he's over-reacting... I'm definetly going to stash the 6-oxo and take a tribulus supp for PCT. Unless I'm wrong will the tribulus fuck up my HDL any more than it is?

 

[02gixxersix2]

I don't know why he would tell you to back off protein. Doctors make me nervous sometimes as they tend to not necessarily have a clue about many things but act like they do. I'm sure you'll be fine bro the chest pains are probably just in your head. Just keep working out and eating right you'll be fine. I have to get mine in order as I have some bloodwork comin up in october probably.

 

[mongogerry1]

This has gotta be a joke.......

My family doctor just calls me (he kind of knows I started taking andro) and is all livid on the phone and tells me to stop whatever I'm taking right now, apparently they tested my blood twice and my HDL was under 10!!! This doesn't make any sense because my total cholesterol is 160 and triglycerides are 67, which is pretty damn good.

Either the andro was interfering with the blood test or it actually lowered it by that much. I've only been on it for two weeks so I can't imagine it being that low... dosages were very high though.

For comparision, lets just say my HDL was 40 back in 2003 when I was out-of-shape and probably 10-15lbs overweight. I've never really freaked out about anything before but this is coming close.... if I stop this andro cold-turkey I'm afraid of estrogen sides.....

I dont have a source for nolvadex and this is my second day of not taking it or anything at all. My doc said to stop everything even fucking protein. Help a bro out I don't wanna lose the 5lbs of lean mass I gained and I don't want to crash... but I don't want my cholesterol messed up for the rest of my life...

What should I do bros? (Yes I know pro-hormones are stupid now, lesson learned)

My question is did you fast properly before your blood work? I did mine one time and ate a little and drank a little and they came back bad. 2 days later with proper fasting everything was in check.

 

[stuck]

My doctor told me to stay off everything (even fucking protein) but I just think he's over-reacting... I'm definetly going to stash the 6-oxo and take a tribulus supp for PCT. Unless I'm wrong will the tribulus fuck up my HDL any more than it is?

If you just drop all the prohormone stuff, your body will recover. You're young, so don't make yourself sick over it.

 

[blut wump]

Go a little heavier in the gym and don't do any crazy high-volume ball-busting to failure sets. If you already know how to do squats and deadlifts to good form, do a week or two working around squats, deadlifts and bench. If you're a six-times-a-week man drop down to two or three gym visits. This should help to increase your endogenous test and reducing the gym visits and gym volume should keep catabolics in check.

Increase your fatty acids: olive oil, fish oils, flax seed/oil. Get good sleep and eat a little more. After only 2.5 weeks you should be fine. Probably hardly shutdown at all. I've no idea about Trib and HDL. Night-time ZMA on an empty stomach should be safe unless you're already heavily supplementing with B-vits and zinc.

 

[UA_Iron]

I wouldnt be worried about it at all...

I tested out at 17 on cycle and got all paranoid - after going on PCT I was 40+ in exactly one month.

There's no evidence that a temporary skew in cholesterol values has any effect on heard health (thanks Ulter).

Here's what you do:

Consume lots of EFA

High fiber diet

Good mulit-vitamin and mineral that contains a good amount of Niacin and b-complex vitamins.

Regular cardio activity

Go on pct with those prohormones and get nolvadex

Do that and get them retested in one month and your physician is going to be shocked.

 

[Redshoteye]

These responses have me much more relieved at the situation. Thanks fellas k to all of you.