Bread, fruit and bars

[JKurz1]

These three are the most BASHED foods on this board............I, for one, don't look at bread, but feel everything else is fair game.......for example, MrX bashed my bro for his 1/2 grapefruit that he eats in the am w/ oats and eggs, yet he gets paper thin...........anyone else have theories?

 

[artrius]

Personally, I think bread is alright in moderation. I use lite bread, no more than 3 slices a day. That's barely 100 kcals. As for fruit, well, I'm a fruit junkie. I have at least 2 apples a day, and then usually some grapes or honeydew melon or something. Fruit is VERY good for you.

Bars, on the other hand... They usually have a lot of fat, calories, or if they don't, they taste like straight ass. Plus, more often than not, they have a lot of saturated fat (especially low carb bars).

I believe, however, it depends on your goals on whether or not you want to use these foods. Cutting diets are obviously way different than bulking diets. It all leads back to the energy balance equation. You can use any of these foods, but if you expect to get anywhere, you still must abide by the energy balance.

That doesn't mean, however, that there aren't better ways to do things. Just keep an open mind.

 

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Heres what I have so to say about these 3:

1) Fruit -- sure its full of nutrients and has got some fibre, but the carbs are just too sugary. If im gonna have fruit, it'll be in my PWO drink.

2) Bread -- wholewheat and low carb are 100% a-okay in my books. When getting lean though I ease up on these and rely morese on oats and green veggies.

3) Bars -- first problem, my appetite... a whole food meal fills me up much more. Second, to be honest, I don't know how much I can trust the labels as too whats in them.

 

[artrius]

Second, to be honest, I don't know how much I can trust the labels as too whats in them.

One word... Detour...

 

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You forgot milk on that list.


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[artrius]

I used to be a big milk drinker when I was a kid, but now I am a strong advocate of solid foods. I refuse to consume liquid calories with the exception of protein shakes and a workout drink.

 

[~SC~]

Yeah, ditto bruh, ditto.

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[JKurz1]

You forgot milk on that list.


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DAMN BRO! Howd I forget that one????? Milk and dairy too.........for me, I MAYBE have 1/2 cup of low fat cc daily...never touched milk before they came out with carb coutdown........best shit on the market, hands down.........ideal protein, no sugar or carbs, and the skim is obviously fat free.....what's you take on fruit SC? Don't think we ever got into that.....my limit is 1/2 grapefruit in the am, thinking about the banana PW, but you shot me down, probably a good thing...........

 

[~SC~]

Nah, the banana pwo is not a "bad" thing at all really, but it won't help your recovery any better that was my only point. I like to utilize either grapefruit and coffee before working out, or a green apple about 30 mins before a workout.

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[jenscats5]

My goals are different than the majority of people on this board. I aim for health, strength and overall fitness. I don't compete or plan to......and I don't have a 15% bf goal or anything like that...

I have eliminated most fruit from my diet due to the sugars and carbs. Never was much of a fruit eater anyway -- I'd buy it & it'd go bad before I ate it.....I will occaisionally throw a couple frozen strawberries in my PWO shake...

I do have 1/2 cup skim milk most mornings with high fiber/protein cereal or oatmeal....

I don't eat bread much nor do I really miss it...but if I want a sandwich I'll have one (or a wrap)

Bars.....I don't eat a lot of the bars cuz I don't want to spend the $$$ on them but If I crave a candy bar I'll have a Luna bar or Detour, cuz at least they have some amount of protein in addition to the crap....

Just chiming in.....

 

[JKurz1]

good replies!!!!!!!

 

[anthrax]

1) Fruit : 1 or 2 pieces a day won't hurt you. it is even pretty beneficial

2) Bread : neither the best nor the worst carb source. In limited amounts

3) Bars : no way

4) Milk : low fat only

 

[junk]

Fruit.. Maybe one a day.

Bread.. Only whote wheat rye bread.

Milk... Nah.. empty calories.

Bars.. SURE.. You have some very good bars like the Optimum's one which is both low carb and low fat and tastes excellent (3.5g fat, 35g protein, 33g low impact carbs). Detour is ancient history.. You have the Worldwide Protein Revolution now.. just like detour only tastes better and unlike the detour that has 12g of fat and about 18g of sugars. this one has 9g of fat (no trans fats) and only 2g of sugar... a winner.

 

[JKurz1]

Fruit.. Maybe one a day.

Bread.. Only whote wheat rye bread.

Milk... Nah.. empty calories.

Bars.. SURE.. You have some very good bars like the Optimum's one which is both low carb and low fat and tastes excellent (3.5g fat, 35g protein, 33g low impact carbs). Detour is ancient history.. You have the Worldwide Protein Revolution now.. just like detour only tastes better and unlike the detour that has 12g of fat and about 18g of sugars. this one has 9g of fat (no trans fats) and only 2g of sugar... a winner.

LOL...milk = empty calories???? LOL....ok...then you contnue that bars are "a winner"..........hmmmm......study up.......

 

[junk]

LOL...milk = empty calories???? LOL....ok...then you contnue that bars are "a winner"..........hmmmm......study up.......

Ya know Jkurz you better change your attatidue on replies. The 'LOL' and the 'study up' part of your phrase are really not nessecary. If you don't want to hear other people's opinion don't ask for them.

Yes, I call milk empty calories. Most of the cows are fed with antibiotics and shit, milk is full of lactose causes my stomach to bloat like a pregnant women, and I don't feel any satisfaction from it. It's protein content is also not that high either. Better dairy alternative is cottage cheese than drinking milk.

And I didn't say barS a 'winner' I said 'winner' on a specific protein bar. The Worldwide double layer Smore's bar is a new generation protein bar that is just as tasty as the detour bar (if not more) and is miles away from detour's horrible nutritional values.

The new worldwide bar has ZERO grams of sugars (compared to about 18 grams of sugar that the detour contains), just 4 net carbs (compared to about 25g that the detour contains), just 7g of fat (compared to the 10g that the detour contains) and ZERO grams of TRANS fat (that you can find plenty in the detour i would guess). So yes, in my book this IS a winner. Oh.. I forgot being any protein bar lover was never considered being 'IN'...

 

[JKurz1]

OK, since you said so, I'll change my attitude....actually bro, my attitude is pretty mild compared to some of the other bros on this board....Milk is in no way an empty calorie. It is concidered by MANY to be the food/or drink of champs......BUT, I guess you need to be able to stomach it for it to pay dividends.......wasnt bashing bars either. At one time? Absolutley! I'll be the first to admit, but I believe the newer age bar is 110% better than it ever was....better science, better ingredients, less shit.....

 

[~SC~]

I'll agree milk's protein is pretty shitty, and as an adult, you don't need to be consuming it at all. Protein = tons of other sources. Calcium - brocolli has more.
If you wish to drink something that's carb content is all sugar, no matter full fat, lowfat, nonfat, more power to ya.

No thanks. However, we all have diff. goals, and we must do what we need to do in order to achieve them. I have found what works, so I stick w/it. That's something each person has to do for him/herself.

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[bran987]

this was a good thread

I have found that in order for me to gain healthy weight I have to have liquid calories. I usually just drink a cup of skim between meals to help keep my calories up.

if milk is not your liquid calorie choice, what would you suggest? just more protein shakes?

 

[anthrax]

I'll agree milk's protein is pretty shitty
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What's wrong with milk's protein ?

whey powder comes from milk
casein powder comes from milk

 

[cbs]

What's wrong with milk's protein ?

whey powder comes from milk
casein powder comes from milk

I was thinking the same thing..

2 words...

CARB COUNTDOWN!!!!

 

[TheOnePHR]

TESTIFY!
Carb Countdown is great nutritionally speaking and phenomenal tasting, it is a staple of mine for protein shakes and in the morning to curb my milk cravings. Have you tried the chocolate, Are you kidding? That stuff is too good, I don't buy it cuz I'll kill it from the container standing there with my refrigerator door open jacking up my electrical bills.

 

[JKurz1]

TESTIFY!
Carb Countdown is great nutritionally speaking and phenomenal tasting, it is a staple of mine for protein shakes and in the morning to curb my milk cravings. Have you tried the chocolate, Are you kidding? That stuff is too good, I don't buy it cuz I'll kill it from the container standing there with my refrigerator door open jacking up my electrical bills.

Bros who dis milk, have never tried this product.....I wouldnt drink reg. skim, Carb countdown however, by the carton!

 

[artrius]

Well, carb countdown, I imagine, would be fine, but I hear it costs quite a lot more. I try not to go for the marketed low carb foods, as anything that can possibly have the label "Low Carbs!" will have a huge price markup. Guess I gotta wait out the low carb rage...

There are tons of other CHEAPER protein sources...

 

[anthrax]

How much ($) ?

 

[bran987]

How much ($) ?

when I check it is usually about 2x the cost of real milk