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"In my experience 1AD is quite effective. And the cost benefit ratio is not that bad. At DPS you can pick up three bottles for about $100 bucks and that is not out-of-line for a six week cycle that can produce similiar results to a mild AAS cycle."
And just which mild AAS do you think it is as effective as?
Ah common ground. Finally. On this subject you guys would do well to listen to Nelson Montana.
10% of the gains of AS with 80% of the sides. Gee sign me up for 1-AD.
And just which mild AAS do you think it is as effective as?
Ah common ground. Finally. On this subject you guys would do well to listen to Nelson Montana.
10% of the gains of AS with 80% of the sides. Gee sign me up for 1-AD.
utter: We may have different perspectives but common ground is always good -- and can always be found.
liftsiron: 10% of 20mgs sounds about right. That's 2 mgs and you know that won't do a thing. Meanwhile, you'll retain water (also known as "muscle gains" to wishful thinkers). And you'll lose your libido. Wonderful stuff.
The world would be a better place if steroids were legal and prohormones weren't.
And TripleJ: That Big Brother bit is bullshit. The supplement companies dont give a flying fuck about your civil liberties. They just want your money.
liftsiron: 10% of 20mgs sounds about right. That's 2 mgs and you know that won't do a thing. Meanwhile, you'll retain water (also known as "muscle gains" to wishful thinkers). And you'll lose your libido. Wonderful stuff.
The world would be a better place if steroids were legal and prohormones weren't.
And TripleJ: That Big Brother bit is bullshit. The supplement companies dont give a flying fuck about your civil liberties. They just want your money.
MoreBeefPlease
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those gains sound just like an advertisement i read for muscletech products.
JP@Ironology
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High Sides for Little Gain...No Thanks.
Been there done that.
Been there done that.
Triple J
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There are plenty of people who have used 1AD to pack on 8-15 pounds of solid muscle in a 6-8 week cycle so just name the AAS of your choice. I am speaking from experience here, and I have plenty of AAS experience in my background.
Now we can debate sides vs. gains all day long but the fact and science is, that these compounds are hormones. So if you think steroids should be legal and prohormones illegal, there is just no rational basis for that argument.
I can't believe some people are not willing to acknowledge some of the work being done, for instance at Ergopharm and Molecular Nutrition, is innovative and resulting in some useful products - so what if they make some money in the process!! Do you think these products, or steroids in general, are going to get any cheaper once they are further outlawed and controlled?
I prefer business has the ability to innovate and create effective compounds, and I would rather they have the ability to continue to innovate. The consumer will ultimately decide which products are effective and which are not. Of course business wants my dollars, just like the medical community, rags, gyms, black market dealers, and everybody else. I just prefer to make my own informed choices about who gets it.
Now we can debate sides vs. gains all day long but the fact and science is, that these compounds are hormones. So if you think steroids should be legal and prohormones illegal, there is just no rational basis for that argument.
I can't believe some people are not willing to acknowledge some of the work being done, for instance at Ergopharm and Molecular Nutrition, is innovative and resulting in some useful products - so what if they make some money in the process!! Do you think these products, or steroids in general, are going to get any cheaper once they are further outlawed and controlled?
I prefer business has the ability to innovate and create effective compounds, and I would rather they have the ability to continue to innovate. The consumer will ultimately decide which products are effective and which are not. Of course business wants my dollars, just like the medical community, rags, gyms, black market dealers, and everybody else. I just prefer to make my own informed choices about who gets it.
I have tried 4-D orally, topically (with and without Fina) and injectable. Oral increased my libido slightly, gave me minimal muscle and strength gains but did give me some pretty strong estrogen related sides. Topical (without Fina) gave me a better increase in libido, strength and size than the oral did, but I had to take Nolva with it though because I started having problems with gyno. Injectable gave me an amazing boost in libido, decent muscle gains, great strength increase and decent fat loss. However, my first time around I got very sick for about 7-10 days (fever, aching...) and injection sites hurt worse than anything else I have ever taken (including TNE, suspension... even IP Sust). Estrogen related sides were similar to topical, but slightly more "worth it" given that the gains were significantly better. The worst shot was a 3cc injection in my right glute, left a half-dollar sized discoloration on my skin (like a bruise) which has now been there for a little over 8 months.
The problem was the solubility in oil and the amount of BA needed to keep it suspended at 75 mg per cc. I have since made a batch at approx. 40mg per cc using 50mg EQ as opposed to plain sterile oil. Took a few test shots and have had no pain. I plan on running 12cc's of the EQ per week which would give me 480 mg of 4AD along with the 600 mg of EQ.
The problem was the solubility in oil and the amount of BA needed to keep it suspended at 75 mg per cc. I have since made a batch at approx. 40mg per cc using 50mg EQ as opposed to plain sterile oil. Took a few test shots and have had no pain. I plan on running 12cc's of the EQ per week which would give me 480 mg of 4AD along with the 600 mg of EQ.
Wether it worked for you or not, everyone is different.. If you are going to compare, make it apples to apples. Fina is not even in the same ring with 1-AD... I am taking 30mgs of anavar right now, and i'll tell ya.... the 1-Test I did 3 months ago kicked ass all over this anavar shit... Muscles hardened up almost overnight, strength went through the roof, and I gained a solid 10 lbs that I still have today. Anavar was supposed to do all this but hasn't.
The anavar cost me $200 and 3 weeks wait.. 1-Test was $120 and walked in and bought it, started that day.
No sides from either one..
The anavar cost me $200 and 3 weeks wait.. 1-Test was $120 and walked in and bought it, started that day.
No sides from either one..
liftsiron
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Quiller Wether it worked for you or not, everyone is different.. If you are going to compare, make it apples to apples. Fina is not even in the same ring with 1-AD... I am taking 30mgs of anavar right now, and i'll tell ya.... the 1-Test I did 3 months ago kicked ass all over this anavar shit... Muscles hardened up almost overnight, strength went through the roof, and I gained a solid 10 lbs that I still have today. Anavar was supposed to do all this but hasn't.
The anavar cost me $200 and 3 weeks wait.. 1-Test was $120 and walked in and bought it, started that day.
If this truly the case your anavar is fake, there is no two ways about it. Those of us who have used legit anavar know that at 30mgs daily, no 1-AD product will even come close. I would have a little chat with my source if I were you. If your anavar is IP that explains it.
The anavar cost me $200 and 3 weeks wait.. 1-Test was $120 and walked in and bought it, started that day.
If this truly the case your anavar is fake, there is no two ways about it. Those of us who have used legit anavar know that at 30mgs daily, no 1-AD product will even come close. I would have a little chat with my source if I were you. If your anavar is IP that explains it.
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