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AHOVA

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Guys, I just got my bloodwork back from the dr. MY TOTAL TESTOSTERONE IS 182! THE RANGE SAYS ITS 240-950! I'm a 22 year old fb. player (6'4", 290) who has only one cycle under his belt. PCT ended 5 months ago!

20 weeks of prop 900-1100/wk
1-10 w/ tren act. 700/wk
11-18 var at 50/wk

My pct was 2.5 weeks of clomid and nolva
I also took 10 500iu shots of HCG

I'm kinda freaked out?! I cant PCT again because the NCAA comes around here in a couple weeks for camp, and im planning a prop/suspension cycle following that. Do I just have nat. low test levels?
 
AHOVA said:
My pct was 2.5 weeks of clomid and nolva
I also took 10 500iu shots of HCG.I'm kinda freaked out?! I cant PCT again because the NCAA comes around here in a couple weeks for camp, and im planning a prop/suspension cycle following that. Do I just have nat. low test levels?
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Will the NCAA be screening for Clomid & HCG? I don't think they will. There is no reason to use anymore Clomid anyway if you are going to start another test cycle in 3 weeks. You will end up just shutting down your natty levels again. After this next cycle PCT longer. You definitely did not go long enough the first time. Do something like this:

Week 1 - 200 mg Clomid ed/20mg of Nolva/500 iu HCG ed
Week 2 - 150 mg Clomid ed/20mg Nolva ed/500 iu HCG ed
Week 3 - 100 mg Clomid ed/20mg Nolva ed
Week 4 - 50 mg Clomid ed/20mg Nolva ed

Basically go 4 weeks instead of 2.5.
 
AHOVA said:
Guys, I just got my bloodwork back from the dr. MY TOTAL TESTOSTERONE IS 182! THE RANGE SAYS ITS 240-950! I'm a 22 year old fb. player (6'4", 290) who has only one cycle under his belt. PCT ended 5 months ago!

20 weeks of prop 900-1100/wk
1-10 w/ tren act. 700/wk
11-18 var at 50/wk

My pct was 2.5 weeks of clomid and nolva
I also took 10 500iu shots of HCG

I'm kinda freaked out?! I cant PCT again because the NCAA comes around here in a couple weeks for camp, and im planning a prop/suspension cycle following that. Do I just have nat. low test levels?
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Did your Doc offer to do anything about it?????

A 20-week cycle at the dosages you were running would be very suppressive not to mention 2.5 weeks of PCT… Way to short!!

You can repeat PCT if nothing else… Try to get the boys kicking again!!

My 2ml

Taoiron
 
hey bro, im in the same situation, though i was wondering if the ncaa can or does test for ancillaries like clomid or nolvadex because im about to start my pct and dont want to get caught up in that mess, if they dont just go on some aromasin and nolvadex and u should be fine
 
First cycle... 20 weeks... GRAM a week of test, total of almost 2 GRAMS per week of gear for first 10 weeks... Destroyed test levels... PCT wasnt effective....

I continue to be astounded....
 
get456 said:
First cycle... 20 weeks... GRAM a week of test, total of almost 2 GRAMS per week of gear for first 10 weeks... Destroyed test levels... PCT wasnt effective....

I continue to be astounded....
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:) :coffee:
 
AHOVA said:
Guys, I just got my bloodwork back from the dr. MY TOTAL TESTOSTERONE IS 182! THE RANGE SAYS ITS 240-950! I'm a 22 year old fb. player (6'4", 290) who has only one cycle under his belt. PCT ended 5 months ago!

20 weeks of prop 900-1100/wk
1-10 w/ tren act. 700/wk
11-18 var at 50/wk

My pct was 2.5 weeks of clomid and nolva
I also took 10 500iu shots of HCG

I'm kinda freaked out?! I cant PCT again because the NCAA comes around here in a couple weeks for camp, and im planning a prop/suspension cycle following that. Do I just have nat. low test levels?
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How is your strength, endurance and sexual response?

You are way too young for this problem.
I'm looking at your cycle totals for the culprit.
 
Yep guys, NCAA bans CLOMID NOLVA AND HCG. I even emailed them and checked.

yea i know guys, I've went through this discussion already. I realize I went too long and didnt follow through with long enough PCT. What can I do now?

I kept at least half of the lean mass that I put on. I would say 10-12 lbs kept.
Strength maintained untill about 2 months ago when it really started to plumet. I'm stronger than I was before but not my much. Libido is fine, same.
 
NCAA does not test for Clomid or HCG. I'd recommend running a full PCT as mentioned above. After that, go beat the crap out of the person who recommended that cycle to you.
 
Are you still planning on getting back on susp/prop in a couple of weeks? If so, get on some Tribulus until you start. Run the cycle. Use better PCT when you get done. Get your levels checked again. If they are still low, PCT again. Low again, PCT again.
 
AHOVA said:
Yep guys, NCAA bans CLOMID NOLVA AND HCG. I even emailed them and checked.

yea i know guys, I've went through this discussion already. I realize I went too long and didnt follow through with long enough PCT. What can I do now?

I kept at least half of the lean mass that I put on. I would say 10-12 lbs kept.
Strength maintained untill about 2 months ago when it really started to plumet. I'm stronger than I was before but not my much. Libido is fine, same.
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First of all... PROPS for not coming off like an asshole about how you "needed" that much blah blah like SO MANY guys would have.

I think your case is a perfect study on what long/high dosages esp for a "newbie" can do. Little mass actually gained, severe reduction in natural levels (which can lead to even less kept!) and now sitting there saying wtf do i do now??

I think everyone else made good points about NEEDING to take more PCT... at this point even going to the dr and getting some HRT so you can take it legally while you are trying out or whatever... AFTER all that shit is done, then work hard on getting ur natural levels back up with HCG specifically... At your age/size I doubt that a few more weeks/months at this point will do any serious long term damage that isnt already done... so at least focus on assuring your performance in your chosen sport is 100%
 
that is an insane first cycle. No wonder ur levels are all fucked up !!!

u would have seen same results on 500 mgs of test a week!!! ur pct should have went alot longer !!!
 
AHOVA said:
Yep guys, NCAA bans CLOMID NOLVA AND HCG. I even emailed them and checked.

yea i know guys, I've went through this discussion already. I realize I went too long and didnt follow through with long enough PCT. What can I do now?

I kept at least half of the lean mass that I put on. I would say 10-12 lbs kept.
Strength maintained untill about 2 months ago when it really started to plumet. I'm stronger than I was before but not my much. Libido is fine, same.
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The part of this quote that says only 10-12 lbs kept , gives me one thought.
Your cycle was a complete fucking waste.

LOL< sorry thats just reality not tryin to be an ass. Running that much I would scared to line up with you on the field. I also assume most guys recommend about 4 weeks of PCT, thats what I thought on way milder cycles so hell maybe 5 weeks +, I'm not really sure what the longest PCT would look like for advanced cycles with that much gear.
 
10 pounds? after that much gear? People are getting better gaisn off of a 3 week tbol cycle lol.

What did your diet and training look like.
 
diet was about 6,000 cal. 300gms protein/day
training was a intense 4 day/wk westside barbell program.

I was up about 24 lbs retained about half of that... I don't think it was a total waste, but I think I could have went about it much much smarter and efficiently.
 
a bomb said:
Will the NCAA be screening for Clomid & HCG? I don't think they will. There is no reason to use anymore Clomid anyway if you are going to start another test cycle in 3 weeks. You will end up just shutting down your natty levels again. After this next cycle PCT longer. You definitely did not go long enough the first time. Do something like this:

Week 1 - 200 mg Clomid ed/20mg of Nolva/500 iu HCG ed
Week 2 - 150 mg Clomid ed/20mg Nolva ed/500 iu HCG ed
Week 3 - 100 mg Clomid ed/20mg Nolva ed
Week 4 - 50 mg Clomid ed/20mg Nolva ed

Basically go 4 weeks instead of 2.5.
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do you recommend the L-Clo and L - Nol from Ag Guys? I just received it also came with something called L-Cle? that i didn't order any idea what that is?

thanks
 
real good attitude about the whole thing.

live and learn. maybe talk to your doc and see what he can do. if your test is all f'ed up now, running another cycle isnt the best idea. you want homeostasis before starting up again or this could be a life long issue with the low test.
 
AHOVA said:
Guys, I just got my bloodwork back from the dr. MY TOTAL TESTOSTERONE IS 182! THE RANGE SAYS ITS 240-950! I'm a 22 year old fb. player (6'4", 290) who has only one cycle under his belt. PCT ended 5 months ago!

20 weeks of prop 900-1100/wk
1-10 w/ tren act. 700/wk
11-18 var at 50/wk

My pct was 2.5 weeks of clomid and nolva
I also took 10 500iu shots of HCG

I'm kinda freaked out?! I cant PCT again because the NCAA comes around here in a couple weeks for camp, and im planning a prop/suspension cycle following that. Do I just have nat. low test levels?
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Why would you take such heavy doses being it was your first cycle? 20 weeks is a long time to be on. I would try some natty stuff like tribulus and things of that sort along with another pct. I hope this is a joke.
 
dbgclub111 said:
do you recommend the L-Clo and L - Nol from Ag Guys? I just received it also came with something called L-Cle? that i didn't order any idea what that is?

thanks
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Its clenbuterol bro...and VERY potent
 
bro, ur 100% sure that the ncaa or any performance enhancing drug test tests for clomid, nolvadex etc. ?
if so are there any natural pct herbs or spices out there that wont get flagged
 
On my first cycle I did PCT for 6 weeks. First cycle was 750mg Test/week and 60mg Dbol/ED for 6 weeks. My next cycle is gonna be Test 750/week, Deca 400/week and Drol 50mg/ED for 6 weeks. PCT for this cycle with be 8 weeks. PCT is so important it's ridiculous.
 
yes, i've heard back from the resource exchange people regarding banned substances... all of the PCT drugs are on the list.
 
can they really test for nolv/hcg specifically? I mean that stuff is out of your body pretty quickly... and with your test levels SO low, getting them up a bit wont seem out of whack of course..

Im a bit confused and by no means and expert re: the drug testing issue and what you can get away with... hopefully someone will speak up with better info you can work with
 
"I love how people are saying what you only kept 12lbs, is that all omg what a complete waste"

How many of you hard core juicers are sitting at 290lbs at 22years of age my I ask............?
 
they are banned substances. plain and simple. there is no way around it. and they dont clear the body that quick. the active half life of arimidex is 3 days and clomid is 5 so they are not quickly cleared from the system.
 
Guys hes 290 lbs did you not see that. A guy who is already 275 pounds is not going to put on 30 pounds and keep it after one cycle.. Im sorry but there is no way. Maybe a newbie who is 150 pounds but not a ncaa athlete who is already pushing 300 pounds. Yes, his doses were high, but dont bash him for what he kept. I use well over a gram a week per cycle, and i MAYBE keep 5-7 pounds.. and Im 220 pounds now.

Bro if you can run at least a month of clomid 50mg per day. novaldex 20mg per day and run a low dose of an anti estrogen such as arimidex at .5mg EOD.
 
Buddy
you have been a member of EF for 1 year and you still ran a first cycle like that? what the hell posts have you been reading man? stay out of that C & C forum!

AHOVA said:
Guys, I just got my bloodwork back from the dr. MY TOTAL TESTOSTERONE IS 182! THE RANGE SAYS ITS 240-950! I'm a 22 year old fb. player (6'4", 290) who has only one cycle under his belt. PCT ended 5 months ago!

20 weeks of prop 900-1100/wk
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Destroyer1986 said:
"I love how people are saying what you only kept 12lbs, is that all omg what a complete waste"

How many of you hard core juicers are sitting at 290lbs at 22years of age my I ask............?
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20 weeks of Prop at 1000mg + and 10 weeks of tren at 700mg, plus anavar, and he only kept 10-12lbs from his cycle?

That is clearly ridiculous, IMHO. Maybe hes a fat 290, or a ripped 290, either way for that much gear, SOMETHING doesn't add up.
 
look who cares? what happend happend and you cant change that. Listen and learn from your mistakes. im sure your can go to the doc and get a script. My buddy (26) has a scricpt from the doc and its legal. if the test you and you have a script wtf are they gunna say. if that dont work then.....keep thinking
 
When I say I kept around 12 lbs, im talking strictly lean gains. I'm down from around 20 percent b/f to 15 and im much harder. I have a 40" sleve, a 56" chest (60 when i was on). I'm going to go talk to a dr. and see what they have to say tomorrow. thanks for the help everyone and keep them comming!
 
AHOVA said:
Guys, I just got my bloodwork back from the dr. MY TOTAL TESTOSTERONE IS 182! THE RANGE SAYS ITS 240-950! I'm a 22 year old fb. player (6'4", 290) who has only one cycle under his belt. PCT ended 5 months ago!

20 weeks of prop 900-1100/wk
1-10 w/ tren act. 700/wk
11-18 var at 50/wk

My pct was 2.5 weeks of clomid and nolva
I also took 10 500iu shots of HCG

I'm kinda freaked out?! I cant PCT again because the NCAA comes around here in a couple weeks for camp, and im planning a prop/suspension cycle following that. Do I just have nat. low test levels?
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ur 22 and for ur first cycle u took over a gram of test with 700mg of tren? wtf r u crazy?
 
^^^ yea i understand that it was a mistake and should not have done it. but wtf can I do about it now? I'm asking for help regarding a serious health concern ... I let some fuckhead give me shity advice on my first run, I regret it but there is nothing I can do now except try to get back to norm.
 
gotcha bro, ur just gonna have 2 look for someone who has experience with it, wish i could help sorry, goodluck, how much weight did u put on? not talking about keeping it but how much did u put?
 
at the end of the tren I was like 327
starting weight was 280
right now i'm at about 293... much harder and leaner than I was at 280.
 
Destroyer1986 said:
"I love how people are saying what you only kept 12lbs, is that all omg what a complete waste"

How many of you hard core juicers are sitting at 290lbs at 22years of age my I ask............?
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anyone can weigh 290, thats easy. How much body comp change did he have? If he put on only 12lbs and lowered his body fat by 10% then he would actually have put on 31lbs of muscle. Which is a good cycle. I just think its crazy to run so much your first time. His next cycles are gonna be shit in comparison. sorry 41lbs
 
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well either way bro, we got to get your natty test levels up. As far as personal experience, the best "GNC" type supp that has actually worked for me is Alpha male by biotest. It is tribbulus terrestris and eurycoma longofolia and another added ingredient, and I actually made pretty good gains I thought considered it was that type of supplement.
 
instant.muscle said:
u put on 47 pounds? wow, wonder how strong u were
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well I just missed the school bench record at 455, couldnt lock out my right.
now im back around 390..

about the NCAA banned substances... I personally emailed the NCAA's resource exchange com. about the PCT drugs. They are all banned but like you said...are they really tested for? never heard of any one failing a drug test due to any of them!
 
www.testclear.com

Check out the powdered urine kit. I smoke dope all damn day....(yeah yeah I know) anyways, I have passed urine tests with Insurance companies and several corporations. As long as nobody is watching your dick fill the cup then you won't have thing to worry about. The kit is very incognito.
 
^^^naw man, NCAA rep stands in front of you while you drop your shorts and tuck your shirt under your chin!
 
I just read a report that says HCG is undetectable... If I take this along with tribex or alpha male, it should at least double my total test?
 
Bro you can take your PCT meds right now up until testing. They are all orals so they will be completely out within a few days from the time you discontinue them. I wouldnt waste a day. Start popping those clomid and take the OTC stuff when you think you will be tested.
 
AHOVA said:
I just read a report that says HCG is undetectable... If I take this along with tribex or alpha male, it should at least double my total test?
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That is why it is sent to the Olympic Testing Facility for serum tests. Way expensive and not worth the cost for NCAA committees to look for it without suspicion.
 
AHOVA said:
I just read a report that says HCG is undetectable... If I take this along with tribex or alpha male, it should at least double my total test?
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a pregnancy test will detect it
 
10-12lbs can be obtained @ 250mg test e wk for less than half that time.

Anyway, sorry to hear about your situation. there may be another breast cancer drug u can try similar to nolva: ag-guys.com
 
get456 said:
First cycle... 20 weeks... GRAM a week of test, total of almost 2 GRAMS per week of gear for first 10 weeks... Destroyed test levels... PCT wasnt effective....

I continue to be astounded....
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ya, that's a crazy first cycle
 
cboogsrun said:
anyone can weigh 290, thats easy. How much body comp change did he have? If he put on only 12lbs and lowered his body fat by 10% then he would actually have put on 31lbs of muscle. Which is a good cycle. I just think its crazy to run so much your first time. His next cycles are gonna be shit in comparison. sorry 41lbs
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This guy is a football player not a bodybuilder, 14% @ 290 is pretty damn good if you ask me. His next cycles will not be shit in comparison, he can lower the dose use different compounds and adjust diet accordingly.
 
Ehy dont you try a test booster? Somthinkg like axis HT or isa test? Or viraloid? From what i understand these test boosters willget your test levels stable within a month or so.....you can get them at GNC for about 69$.....and even if you do get tested if your test levels are that low it wont even show up because its just helping your levels get back to normal........just a thought.

Good luck!
 
Destroyer1986 said:
This guy is a football player not a bodybuilder, 14% @ 290 is pretty damn good if you ask me. His next cycles will not be shit in comparison, he can lower the dose use different compounds and adjust diet accordingly.
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I wasn't knocking him. Just trying to show the change in body comp by lowering body fat, he actually gained more muscle than 12 lbs leads people to believe. However the amounts and length of cycle for a first timer were severe to say the least. He was on for 40% of the year and is wondering why his body isn't back to normal. I believe progression is the key to long term use. Its kinda like trying heroin for your first drug.
 
cboogsrun said:
I wasn't knocking him. Just trying to show the change in body comp by lowering body fat, he actually gained more muscle than 12 lbs leads people to believe. However the amounts and length of cycle for a first timer were severe to say the least. He was on for 40% of the year and is wondering why his body isn't back to normal. I believe progression is the key to long term use. Its kinda like trying heroin for your first drug.
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Yep I agree the amounts are pretty extreme for a first time cycle, 700mg of tren a week, im barely breaking 350.
 
When are you going to be tested? If it isnt for a while I would run some tribbulus type of supplement along with ZMA and nolva for about a month or so. And if you arent going to be tested for a while then run 500ius of HCG for 10 days straight.
 
It took nine months before my test levels started to rebound a little after using tren and using hcg/clomid. The stuff is very supressive.
 
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