Blood Tests reveal low FSH, LH, and Test w/out AAS use

[Anakin]

Aleave, I'm 20 and I have low LH and FSH too. I don't remember the exact values but they were both barely above 1.5.

You should also check for prolactin. If prolactin is elevated, it inhibits the other pituitary hormones like LH and FSH. A tumor that causes excessive prolactin is called prolactinoma, and it is treated very easily through drugs like dostinex (cabergoline) or bromocriptine, which is older and has more side effects.

In my case, I don't know what the fuck is wrong because I had an MRI done and nothing wrong with my head, but prolactin is consistently elevated around 24 (normal value should be less than 18 or so, I don't remember). It annoys because I would like to know if there is a cause behind this, but I'm not really worried.

Good luck man.

 

[AleaveR]

Anakin,

Thanks for the good info, I guess I will go through the same stuff you have been through....hope mine is nothing big as well....Definately reassuring to see that others have gone through the same thing. Actually makes me wonder, if many others that dont get their test levels checked frequently probably have the same problems and just never detect them....

Also, have you ever used AAS since you found out you had these naturally low levels, if so...did it help?



Also, just got my latest labs back from the clinic, these are the results:

Testosterone Total: 279 (241-827)...up from 205 the first time.
Testosterone Free: 82 (34-194)
Testosterone Free & Weakly Bound: 164 (84-402)

FSH: <0.7 (1.4-18.1)
LH: 1.4 (1.5-9.3)


ALthough Total test went up, it is still rather low and LH and FSH are both low....

 

[Anakin]

No, I haven't used AAS yet but my first cycle ever will start mid-November.

There are actually a bunch of people that post on the boards saying that they have low test and yet they've never done AAS. If the symptoms aren't there, then I guess it's ok. Plus if free test is what really matters, your numbers in that department don't look as bad as total test. Try some avena sativa. My first tests hovered around 294 and 320... I got it up to 430 somehow,the only thing I did was avena sativa and tribulus each at 1500 mg day (plus flax seed oil but I don't know if this has any effect). BTW, try this out and see what happens before you try AAS, and use the stuff from www.beyond-a-century.com because I've tried tribex and I SWEAR it isn't as good (not to mention tribex is fucking 10 times more expensive).

Are you getting good sleep?

 

[AleaveR]

i actually have a horrible sleeping pattern.... I go to bed at 4-5am and wake up sometimes at 8 to go to class or I skip class and wake up like at 11-1:00. Another thing I should mention is that on 5/29/03 I was 5'8 and 273lbs and have dieted down to 232....I wonder if that has had an effect????

 

[Anakin]

Seriously, if I were you, I would try to get natural T as high as possible before doing any cycle to see where you're really standing.
Put some effort in getting 8 solid hours of sleep per night and try to go to bed at the same time every day. I think this makes a HUGE difference to your hormone levels. I go to bed at like 1.30 or 2am every day and wake up between 9.30 and 11, except for weekends (I'm in college as you can see).
And yes, if you lost 40lbs then you're in a catabolic state, so that shouldn't help, but you're on the right track because being overweight is also bad for overall hormone balance. Maybe you're on a very low fat diet, and fat + cholesterol is needed for natural hormone production.

 

[Briweve]

What I would do

If I were you, after getting any Tumor or Other major problems weeded out, I would talk to Swale at allthingsmale.com or goto his board Scuplted With Iron, and get on Hormone Replacement Therapy. Having low Test score is just as bad a having Test Score to high (ie AAS).

 

[AleaveR]

Yeah....I have heard that low test scores actually increase your risk for cardiovascular disease among other diseases....


I am not sure if I would want to do HRT since I am so young but I am sure that small doses shouldnt be too bad.... If I get on HRT, I was thinking maybe 100mg test E5D or EW and then mix that up with cycles consisting of higher doses once or twice per year....

Either way, it is still early and I guess I have a lot of testing to go through before I start thinking about HRT....

 

[twistedneck]

AleaveR, if you dieted down hard without carbs or with reduced carbs that is known to cause reduced Testosterone production. Obviously lifing helps a lot too.

I don't think you need any herbs to get T back up, just eat some carbs and get more sleep in a dark room. I killed my libido by taking too much tribilus, avena, tongkat ali.. about 2g of each per day. At first my libido was excellent but after about 6 weeks it was way low.

TW

 

[AleaveR]

Twisted...

thanks for the advice, I am definately going to try all those different strategies...I actually just got off the phone with my doctor back home and he wants me to go home on Monday to see him.

He said that he wants to run a whole bunch of labwork: FSH, LH. Test, Free Test, T4, T3, TSH, Thyroxine, Prolactin, etc..... He also is trying to get me in with an endcrinologist on Monday since I will only be back home for one day and will also try to get me in to get an MRI as well. This time he sounded kind of aggressive and that kinda worried me. I am not sure if he was aggressive because I will only be there one day and wants to get all this work in or because he is worried.....


Oh well, again I will keep you guys updated....

 

[twistedneck]

AleaveR.. after my bout with too much tongkat, avena, tribilus, maca, hgw, catuba, calcium d.. (2g of each / day for 6 weeks).. I went to get my levels checked.

Cholesterol was 230! (my ldl and hdl were ok)
Test was a mere 370, dang.. i wasn't just having mental issues. My doc wants me to drop the weed, stop eating fast food and get more sleep.. re-test in a month.