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Hi everyone :)

I started taking BJJ & Muay Thai. BJJ 3x's a week for 2hrs & MT 2x's a week for 1hr.

I was wondering how I should change my diet to incorporate this. I eat about 1600 cals - 40P/30C/30F.

I am a beginner, but I assume that I will need to change things up as I get better.

What do you guys do?

Oh yeah, I am female :)

Thanks!
 
make sure you eat before and after the classes regardless of the training times. you want to recover properly after every workout so you are fresh for the next one.

dont starve yourself or worry about weight at this point. just eat healthy and get a lot of cals pre/post workout.

so basically maybe add another meal or two to your diet at first to deal with the stress and see how you go. dont use the scale to judge at first go by how much you recover and how much energy you have.

good luck!
 
will have to work with your cardio
you want cardio ability for your training but on top of that the training is a great deal of cardio itself so you may drop some mass that you'd rather keep
ps
chick fighters are hot
 
Get a good Protein Powder and Multi Vitamin.




-BRR
 
i'd say don't be hesitant to eat more if you feel yourself getting really drained. both activities are pretty demanding and will burn a lot of calories. you may have to account for them in your meticulous diet
 
Kane Fan said:
may I ask which you like better so far

It's hard to say.

I love the Muay Thai because it's great cardio & I get to hit my instuctor...lol. I hate the skipping, because I'm not very good at it (I am practicing though). I'm more comfortable with the MT because I used to hit the bag for cardio & I already knew how to kick & punch.

I love BJJ because I think it's the coolest thing in the world. I have watched MMA/BJJ fights for like 3 years now. I don't like it because I suck. I have sooo much to learn. I have some private lessons coming, so I'm sure I'll feel better then. It is the best feeling when you get a move down pat! (although this takes me about 50 practice runs to do!)

How about you? Do you do both?
 
Kane Fan said:
will have to work with your cardio
you want cardio ability for your training but on top of that the training is a great deal of cardio itself so you may drop some mass that you'd rather keep
ps
chick fighters are hot

What do you suggest for cardio?

I normally do HIIT, but would steady rate/longer sessions be better?

I know I will lose some LBM, I'm going drink BCAA's during the class. I hope that will help!
 
skittles said:
I'm going drink BCAA's during the class. I hope that will help!

Not to hijack your thread Skittles, but I want to pop a question in here:

Will drinking liquid-form BCAA's while training (I'm not even sure where to get these) conserve LBM? I have had an issue with keeping mass since I began spending more time on martial arts than weight training.

and Kudos to you for training in BOTH MT and BJJ. I have all the respect in the world for any athlete that decides to take up some of the toughest martial arts around! :supercool
 
MikeMartial said:
Not to hijack your thread Skittles, but I want to pop a question in here:

Will drinking liquid-form BCAA's while training (I'm not even sure where to get these) conserve LBM? I have had an issue with keeping mass since I began spending more time on martial arts than weight training.

and Kudos to you for training in BOTH MT and BJJ. I have all the respect in the world for any athlete that decides to take up some of the toughest martial arts around! :supercool

No problem :) & Thanks!

Written by: Boyd Myers

I wrote this a couple of years ago, but still good info.
My 9-18-2005 paraphrase - your body has to have every amino acid present to be in a positive nitrogen balance. The BCAAs (leucine, Iso-leucine, and Valine) are the most readily metabolized for energy, thus are the most limited. Not having them present, no matter how many total grams of protein you consume, will NOT allow you to build muscle. SO, SUPP WITH BCAAs!!!

For optimum muscle growth, cellular growth, metabolism, and recovery to occur, the proper proportions of amino acids need to be eaten. However, eating amino acid sources, such as meat and eggs, does not ensure that the amino acids they supply will be available for muscle growth and formation of other proteins. For example, suppose you have a gross intake of 100 grams of protein with all the essential amino acids present in equal amounts. Now consider how these amino acids are used in the body. To start, a considerable amount of leucine will be used for energy in exercising muscle. This means that there may be only a small amount of leucine available for growth and repair. When leucine finally runs out, this will affect protein formation because leucine is an essential amino acid. That means your body cannot make it. In actuality, perhaps only 15 grams of the original 100 grams of protein will be available for growth and repair. This is one reason why athletes need more protein, not just to compensate for growth and recovery demands from exercise, but to compensate for the loss of essential amino acids like leucine when they are used for energy.

However, there has been a trend in some circles of athletes, bodybuilders in particular, where they are ingesting pure protein meals or supplements. This is counterproductive, because some of the protein will be broken down and converted to glucose and fatty acids in the liver. You should always have some amount of carbohydrates, or fat, to prevent the undesirable destruction of ingested protein.

Like fats and carbohydrates, amino acids can also be used for energy. When dietary circumstances cause amino acids to be used as a source of energy, they cannot be used for building muscle tissue and performing their other metabolic functions. Actually, under conditions of outright starvation or training induced starvation, the body releases amino acids from muscle tissue to be used as energy or in energy cycles. This catabolism of proteins also can and does occur during exercise and when the body runs out of carbohydrate fuel from the diet or from glycogen stored in the muscles and liver. Even though the body can depend on fat stored for fuel, muscle proteins will still be used as fuel, unless proteins are taken in as food. During intensive exercise, the body will use amino acids for energy, especially power exercises and prolonged endurance sports. That is why it is essential to maintain a proper daily protein intake each hour of the day.

Even if you are maintaining a proper diet, amino acids are going to be used as the body’s fuel during those grueling exercise bouts. The branched chain amino acids, isoleucine, valine, and leucine are used by muscles to supply a limited amount of energy during strenuous exercise. Research has shown that although all three branched chain amino acids can be utilized for energy during exercise, leucine is the amino acid that gets used up the most. Studies have shown that a trained person’s muscles use up some amounts of leucine even while at rest. This disproportionate use of leucine and the other BCAA’s will effect the overall use of amino acids in the body for growth.



I'm going to research it a bit more. You can get them at any supp shop (probably even GNC) BCAA's = Branched Chained Amino Acids
 
skittles said:
It's hard to say.

I love the Muay Thai because it's great cardio & I get to hit my instuctor...lol. I hate the skipping, because I'm not very good at it (I am practicing though). I'm more comfortable with the MT because I used to hit the bag for cardio & I already knew how to kick & punch.

I love BJJ because I think it's the coolest thing in the world. I have watched MMA/BJJ fights for like 3 years now. I don't like it because I suck. I have sooo much to learn. I have some private lessons coming, so I'm sure I'll feel better then. It is the best feeling when you get a move down pat! (although this takes me about 50 practice runs to do!)

How about you? Do you do both?

50? that's pretty good I'll do something a few hundred times and still screw it up pretty consistently
and I practice BJJ and MT
and a bunch of other stuff to
the main focus of my training is Boxing tho
but I also utilize some MT like knees, lil bit of kicking and I want to get the elbows right but I keep having trouble with them

private grappling instructions, the instructor should probubly be paying you!
are you more comfortable in mount or in guard?
 
skittles said:
What do you suggest for cardio?

I normally do HIIT, but would steady rate/longer sessions be better?

I know I will lose some LBM, I'm going drink BCAA's during the class. I hope that will help!

I think HIIT is good for combative sports actually
how much of it are you doing now tho? you might want to cut back considering the extra cardio of MT and BJJ
on the other hand if you just eat more you could be ok
I'm not sure what kidn of mass you have or are looking to have
 
Kane Fan said:
50? that's pretty good I'll do something a few hundred times and still screw it up pretty consistently
and I practice BJJ and MT
and a bunch of other stuff to
the main focus of my training is Boxing tho
but I also utilize some MT like knees, lil bit of kicking and I want to get the elbows right but I keep having trouble with them

private grappling instructions, the instructor should probubly be paying you!
are you more comfortable in mount or in guard?


I have to do it about 50 times to get it right a few times. Next class I have to do it another 50 times to get it right again (sorry I didn't explain that). Remember this is the VERY basic stuff. Is there ever a point when it gets easier? LOL...

You will get better with the elbows! Good luck :)

I like being in mount when I am training with a guy, but I like guard when I am training with a girl. I have no idea why, I'm just a bit uncomfortable with a guy (who is stronger then me) on top. I think this will change once I learn a bit more. I HOPE to be very comfortable in both postions.

Thanks for asking & good luck with your training!
 
Kane Fan said:
I think HIIT is good for combative sports actually
how much of it are you doing now tho? you might want to cut back considering the extra cardio of MT and BJJ
on the other hand if you just eat more you could be ok
I'm not sure what kidn of mass you have or are looking to have

I think I will stick with HIIT 2x's a week & rely on the classes for cardio (at this point)

I don't have a lot of mass & I would like to hold onto what I do...lol.

Do you compete?
 
skittles said:
I have to do it about 50 times to get it right a few times. Next class I have to do it another 50 times to get it right again (sorry I didn't explain that). Remember this is the VERY basic stuff. Is there ever a point when it gets easier? LOL...

You will get better with the elbows! Good luck :)

I like being in mount when I am training with a guy, but I like guard when I am training with a girl. I have no idea why, I'm just a bit uncomfortable with a guy (who is stronger then me) on top. I think this will change once I learn a bit more. I HOPE to be very comfortable in both postions.

Thanks for asking & good luck with your training!

I do not compete but I will in the future
it does seem to get easier for me at least
I'm oddly comfortable either way
but my mobility from my back is crappy
it's good considering my size (I have some extra bodyfat) but overall it's not so hot so I'm conscious of that
I'm still comfortable guarding someone just not as comfortable as I could be
I"m also really comfortable in someone's guard I think that's kinda normal tho
so do you mean you also do not like to be mounted when grappling with a girl
or your comfortable both ways with a girl
also what mount do you prefer
 
Kane Fan said:
I do not compete but I will in the future
it does seem to get easier for me at least
I'm oddly comfortable either way
but my mobility from my back is crappy
it's good considering my size (I have some extra bodyfat) but overall it's not so hot so I'm conscious of that
I'm still comfortable guarding someone just not as comfortable as I could be
I"m also really comfortable in someone's guard I think that's kinda normal tho
so do you mean you also do not like to be mounted when grappling with a girl
or your comfortable both ways with a girl
also what mount do you prefer


I am comfortable both ways (mount & guard) with the girl I train with. She started the same day I did (so she's at the same level as me). She is also smaller then me, so I never feel 'threatened'. With a guy I always feel like I'm in big trouble if he has me mounted. I dunno, maybe with a bigger/more experienced girl, I would feel the same way.

I only know 2 mount postions - just normal mount (I don't know if there is a name) & side mount. I like normal mount better right now (because I know more techniques from this postion).

How long have you been training for?

I must say, I have never been so sore in my life (since training BJJ & Muay Thai). I really think I didn't know what in shape was, until now. An hour on the treadmill would seem like a breeze at this point...lol.
 
skittles said:
I must say, I have never been so sore in my life (since training BJJ & Muay Thai). I really think I didn't know what in shape was, until now. An hour on the treadmill would seem like a breeze at this point...lol.

Bit of an eye-opener, isn't it? I actually thought I was in excellent cardiovascular shape and had a decent strength base prior to taking up MA. Was I ever mistaken.

What's the gender make-up of a typical class? I know it seems old school, but I can't honestly see a lot of females being interested in BJJ
 
It's a major eye-opener!

In the BJJ class, there are 15-20 guys (depending on who shows up...sometimes there are only 4 or 5) & 2 girls. Me & the other girl I was talking about :)


MikeMartial said:
Bit of an eye-opener, isn't it? I actually thought I was in excellent cardiovascular shape and had a decent strength base prior to taking up MA. Was I ever mistaken.

What's the gender make-up of a typical class? I know it seems old school, but I can't honestly see a lot of females being interested in BJJ
 
:eek2: Holy just checked your profile, Skittles.....what the heck, just take up BJJ and next thing you know, she's hanging with Hughes and Loiseau!!

I'm assuming that must have been in TO....why was Hughes there?

And if you get califlower ears on that pretty little head of yours, your gonna make some boys mad! ;)
 
Those pics are about 1.5-2 years old. I have been to quite a few UCC fights. The fights are normally in Montreal. These pics were not taken at the UFC (they are from an after party at the UCC)

I have watched it for awhile, just didn't have another girl to join with me (I finally found one :) )

Hughes was in the corner/coaching another guy (I forget who it was at this particular fight)

LOL @ the califlower ears & thanks! Do you have them?


MikeMartial said:
:eek2: Holy just checked your profile, Skittles.....what the heck, just take up BJJ and next thing you know, she's hanging with Hughes and Loiseau!!

I'm assuming that must have been in TO....why was Hughes there?

And if you get califlower ears on that pretty little head of yours, your gonna make some boys mad! ;)
 
Hey can I see your Matt Hughes and DL pics for non plats? Sorry if this sounded like an e flirt, I am a huge fan of MH and DL. Muay Thai and BJJ is an amazing combination, and I its an insane fat burner too. I stopped doing MMA for sometime after I injured my shoulder, and just recently I picked it up again, and I am doing the same things as you are, only adding in boxing instead of MT on some nights. Good luck in your training! And wear some headgear unless you want those caulis :P (they hurt alot at first).
 
Skittles , now that we have you hre , let us in on the Secret ...

WHY DO women have t go EVERYWHERE in friggin PAIRS !?!?!?!? If I asked a geezer to to to the whiz with me id lose a mate for SURE !
 
is not even the MA forum immune to e-flirting!!?!? skittles you need to stay contained to the women's board, otherwise the dudes will never have any meaningful discussion

and by that i mean... hey hows it goin hot stuff

(just checked out the gallery)
 
Yarg! said:
Hey can I see your Matt Hughes and DL pics for non plats? Sorry if this sounded like an e flirt, I am a huge fan of MH and DL. Muay Thai and BJJ is an amazing combination, and I its an insane fat burner too. I stopped doing MMA for sometime after I injured my shoulder, and just recently I picked it up again, and I am doing the same things as you are, only adding in boxing instead of MT on some nights. Good luck in your training! And wear some headgear unless you want those caulis :P (they hurt alot at first).


How do I post them for non-plats? E-mail?

I hate the pictures of me (that was a long day with the flights & everything) but I didn't want to cut myself out (then people wouldn't believe that I ment them...lol)

Yes, I agree it's an awesome workout!
 
Djimbe said:
Skittles , now that we have you hre , let us in on the Secret ...

WHY DO women have t go EVERYWHERE in friggin PAIRS !?!?!?!? If I asked a geezer to to to the whiz with me id lose a mate for SURE !

LOL...

I really don't think all women do this. The only time my friends & I do this is when we are away & aren't familiar with the place.

That's a funny question!
 
we are lucky in our club we have 1 pair of slightly older women who always workout together and they started at the same time and they are both doing well now.

we have 2 sisters who work out together

we also have a 16 year old who works out w/ us who has no problems working w/ boys

and we have an 11 year old who is a fantastic kid who not only works well w/ whoever we pair her w/ but after only a few weeks of training she can pin (hold down) boys that are heavier then her.

it definately helps us out having so many females of different ages and sizes cause whenever a female comes by for a lesson she can see how effective females can become. then once they are comfortable most will not have a problem working with the males

keep up the training!!!
 
Kane Fan said:
I miss training with chicks
I know a lot of the girls I work with I wish I could get to train : o (

Tell them you will give them private lessons. That way they can learn a little before they try a class.
 
I work with a bunch of teenagers, if I tell them I will give them private lessons, I'll wind up beating up their boyfriends....
 
I missed a week. My partner couldn't come.

Last night I went & had a new partner. It was AWESOME!!!! Muay Thai seriously kicked my @ss! There were people getting sick it was that hard!

BJJ was great too. It feels like I'm finally learning a bit.

How is your training going?
 
I've skipped like 2 weeks
possibly a third week getting skiped
not skipping TRAINING but skipping learning of new things
and instruction
I still practice on my own
my instructor said my Shoot was wonderful
and he dosn't give compliments so that's pretty good
 
sorry to hear about that but its cool you are training on your own!
what are you doing on your own to try to stay sharp?
 
I practice Shooting
and I work the Heavy Bag
that's mostly it
oh I also do some stretching but not as often as I should
 
skittles said:
I missed a week. My partner couldn't come.

Last night I went & had a new partner. It was AWESOME!!!! Muay Thai seriously kicked my @ss! There were people getting sick it was that hard!

BJJ was great too. It feels like I'm finally learning a bit.

How is your training going?

do you not go to class if you know your partner wont be able to make it?

if thats the case you should talk to your instructor and work something out so you can train safely and comfortably when she can not make it.
 
I leave if my partner doesn't show up (or don't bother going if I know before hand). We are the only 2 girls, and none of the guys want to partner with us. I have another girl friend that just started coming, but she can only commit to one night a week. I have been doing a few privates & I'll be doing more after the season settles down. My instructor said I'll be able to roll with light guys soon. I'm just not ready yet.

They don't make me leave the class, I can still do warm-up & watch, but I just head to the gym so I still get some type of workout in.

It sucks when she can't come!

Judo Tom said:
do you not go to class if you know your partner wont be able to make it?

if thats the case you should talk to your instructor and work something out so you can train safely and comfortably when she can not make it.
 
that is some major BS in my opinion. poor way to run a class. if someone in our class said they wouldnt want to work with a girl then they can go hit the weights not you.

I can see him not letting you fight inexperienced new people but there should be people with experience who can roll with you or at least you should be allowed to practice your technique against someone. let someone sit down and you transition between chokes armlocks and pins.

what rank does the instructor hold? how many people are in the class?
 
judo has 2 main principles which govern the whole art. one is maximum efficiency with minimal effort and the second is mutual welfare and benefit.

by them isolating you and forcing you to skip classes they are robbing both you and themselves of getting better. if they were to work with you more and cultivate your abilities then you would be able to challenge them much quicker and force them to get better quicker. in most clubs the lowest ranking person or newest person gets the benefit of training with one of the higher ranking people.

this is another reason why i love judo i just couldnt ever imagine something like that going down anywhere i have ever trained.. it is just crazy.. i thought perhaps it was you who might be afraid or embarassed which would be a whole different situation but the fact that is is endorsed because the guys dont want to train w/ you is a joke. IM not trying to insult or degrade your school i just cant imagine it. those guys need to learn some humility and respect perhaps they havent trained with some females who could put a whooping on them..

Good luck.. i hope you get to find some new partners or more partners
 
for a small fee I could be pursauded to come to your class and slap the students around?

I think that's pretty crappy to but my current instructor dosn't like training women, he used to and they were quite adept fighters actually but he said too many times the guys develop problems dealing with sparring with women
 
Most of the guys are at least a blue belt. Most people come to class with a partner (so they normally stick with that partner until the instuctor arranges matches). Since I am so new (and a girl) I don't get to roll with them. My instuctor said it won't be a problem once I learn more. He will stay late & I have done a few privates. It's not him, and he has no problem with me going against a guy. It's the guys who don't want to go against a girl. I hope this will change (once they get used to me). Maybe if I started staying (when my partner doesn't show) some of the guys will let me in with them. Maybe that's what I should try.

I had a private class last night. Just to practice my punches & skipping. That went well, so I'm happy :)
 
Maybe I'm not being aggressive enough. Maybe I should just make them train with me...lol. I'm sure I would learn more that way!

From a guys point of view.... would you mind if a girl did that?
 
i think you should force the issue more especially if you are comfortable with it.

if the guys protest your instructor needs to stand up for you and at worst force someone there to work w/ you.

you seem really motivated and they should be doing all they can to help you.

you pay dues you are paying for privates but people in the class wont work w/ you.. i think that is a huge flaw in the way the class is being run. that would never fly at any place i trained.

i train with old ladies, little kids, huge guys, a guy who cant even walk/stand and if i complained i would be a fool.. all of them have helped me in my training.

as an example i train with a guy who has cp and cant walk he starts fighting from his knees and learns all the same throws we learned only we modify them to them so he uses an arm as a leg. well that got me thinking about different possibilities when im on my knees and how i could try to win if i fall to my knees while fighting. at a big tournament this summer i tried a combo and fell to my knees and just reacted and threw the guy over. i can say with like 98% accuracy that if i hadnt trained with him so much i wouldnt have even tried the throw let alone pulled it off.. i wouldve just played it safe and turtled up.

stay motivated talk to some of the guys and the instructor you will be doing EVERYONE a favor

good luck
 
You must spread some Karma around before giving it to Judo Tom again.

That was a great post, thank-you!

I don't think my instructor would have a problem with forcing one of them to train with me. I can just tell they don't want to. If I have trouble learning a technique & ask one of them for help (to do the move with me) they won't. They will call their partner over & do it so I can watch. I appreciate that, but I don't really learn unless I do things hands on. It would be cool if they could at least stick around & watch to see I get it ok...lol. One guy said he would never want a girl to be better than him. I think it's that kind of mentality that keeps them from training with me.

I'll just show up (even without a partner) and see what happens. If all else fails, the gym is on the next block...lol.



Judo Tom said:
i think you should force the issue more especially if you are comfortable with it.

if the guys protest your instructor needs to stand up for you and at worst force someone there to work w/ you.

you seem really motivated and they should be doing all they can to help you.

you pay dues you are paying for privates but people in the class wont work w/ you.. i think that is a huge flaw in the way the class is being run. that would never fly at any place i trained.

i train with old ladies, little kids, huge guys, a guy who cant even walk/stand and if i complained i would be a fool.. all of them have helped me in my training.

as an example i train with a guy who has cp and cant walk he starts fighting from his knees and learns all the same throws we learned only we modify them to them so he uses an arm as a leg. well that got me thinking about different possibilities when im on my knees and how i could try to win if i fall to my knees while fighting. at a big tournament this summer i tried a combo and fell to my knees and just reacted and threw the guy over. i can say with like 98% accuracy that if i hadnt trained with him so much i wouldnt have even tried the throw let alone pulled it off.. i wouldve just played it safe and turtled up.

stay motivated talk to some of the guys and the instructor you will be doing EVERYONE a favor

good luck
 
i feel strange even posting about stuff but like this but i just want to help im not trying to insult anyone but i think the situation they have you in is crazy.. ill say crazy to not use some of the other words im thinking.

yeah def. talk to the instructors and some of the blue belts be confident and a bit demanding mention you pay your fees like everyone else and you want to know why they wont work w/ you. there is no good reason so anything they say can be countered just speak w/ confidence.

and this is the part i hate saying to someone but not all schools are created equal. you might want to look around the area and see what other grappling training is available to you. just go check out another school or two and see what you think. this can also provide you with some leverage down the road.

can i ask how long your instructor has been teaching/training his rank? you can pm me if youd like.

also if you want you can tell me where you live or what city/area you are near and perhaps i can help find some places for you too LOOK at.. dont have to jump ship now but looking wont hurt.

im sorry to even suggest it but it might be a good idea now then 2 years from now after you skpped like 20-30 classes.. just think about if you had all that mat time where your skills would be. how many times have you missed class already?

Good Luck
 
Judo Tom said:
i think you should force the issue more especially if you are comfortable with it.

if the guys protest your instructor needs to stand up for you and at worst force someone there to work w/ you.

you seem really motivated and they should be doing all they can to help you.

you pay dues you are paying for privates but people in the class wont work w/ you.. i think that is a huge flaw in the way the class is being run. that would never fly at any place i trained.

i train with old ladies, little kids, huge guys, a guy who cant even walk/stand and if i complained i would be a fool.. all of them have helped me in my training.

as an example i train with a guy who has cp and cant walk he starts fighting from his knees and learns all the same throws we learned only we modify them to them so he uses an arm as a leg. well that got me thinking about different possibilities when im on my knees and how i could try to win if i fall to my knees while fighting. at a big tournament this summer i tried a combo and fell to my knees and just reacted and threw the guy over. i can say with like 98% accuracy that if i hadnt trained with him so much i wouldnt have even tried the throw let alone pulled it off.. i wouldve just played it safe and turtled up.

stay motivated talk to some of the guys and the instructor you will be doing EVERYONE a favor

good luck

Wow!

Mate, I have to say I'm very impressed with that post. Don't worry, I won't turn this into an ass-kissing thread but sincerely, yours is an exemplary attitude which should probablly be displayed in all clubs and by all students, but which isn't all of the time...

With regard to skittles' specific situation, i do think it seems to suck all the more because of how genuinely motivated/committed she appears.

The only thing I would say is that if I am being perfectly honest, there are times when even I have thought [groan] ''oh god, i'm working with that bloke/girl again! Limited time, limited funds, trying to make every lesson a 'real' lesson. I am not a selfish person, but in the past I have reacted 'selfishly' when it comes to training. Also, and I hope you appreciate my honesty(!), I am an above-average-but nothing-special martial artist and this can be worse, in my rather spontaneeous opinion, for someone like me. What I mean to say is, with the beginner it's not so frustrating (perhaps) if he finds himself paired a little too long with the person-who-will-never-in-a-million-years-learn-the basic-escrima-drill. And with a senior/almost instructor level student - well, that's what they're there for, right? But for someone like myself, I have often come home feeling the difference between a class because of who attended/who I worked with (in any meaningful way)...

I do want to make one thing clear. This has nothing to do with gender whatsoever...I'm simply talking about the person who you suspect is a bit of a time-waster, a one lesson wonder, or someone who is happy to come frequently, hell - maybe does put in the effort - but still...you know what I mean...

But skittles, in a strange round about way coming back to 'selfish' - yep, you should definitely 'make' those guys work with you, even if you feel a bit shy/hesitant to do so. Tom, you put a lot of other senseis to shame!

Laters...
 
thanks its appreciated..

i didnt always have this type of attitude and we all make mistakes and should all have the chance to change and be educated.

again another reason why i love judo its not just fighting techniques.. its principles and the principles work both on and off the matt.

mutual benefit and well being. kinda like the golden rule.

i mean if the best guys only worked out withthe best guys then there knowledge would never spread and there skills would die w/ them.

see i work w/ 'less skilled' people a lot but everyone realizes that so when its time for me to peak for a key event everyone there has my back and is willing to let me fight more. get more throws in and be a lil more brutal if need be. there are tons of examples like that. it needs to be mutually beneficial. some of the newbies ive worked w/ in the past are my best training partners now and they do whatever it takes to help me out now

btw i need to give credit to my sensei for molding me into the person i am now. thats again why i never preach style its your instructor and how you train that make who you are.
 
Judo Tom said:
thanks its appreciated..

i didnt always have this type of attitude and we all make mistakes and should all have the chance to change and be educated.

again another reason why i love judo its not just fighting techniques.. its principles and the principles work both on and off the matt.

mutual benefit and well being. kinda like the golden rule.

i mean if the best guys only worked out withthe best guys then there knowledge would never spread and there skills would die w/ them.

see i work w/ 'less skilled' people a lot but everyone realizes that so when its time for me to peak for a key event everyone there has my back and is willing to let me fight more. get more throws in and be a lil more brutal if need be. there are tons of examples like that. it needs to be mutually beneficial. some of the newbies ive worked w/ in the past are my best training partners now and they do whatever it takes to help me out now

btw i need to give credit to my sensei for molding me into the person i am now. thats again why i never preach style its your instructor and how you train that make who you are.

I understand.

Tom, I won't hijack this thread so I'll start a new one - there is something I want to ask you, or anybody ellse for that matter...

Would like to hear from you/others if have time...
 
skittles said:
Maybe I'm not being aggressive enough. Maybe I should just make them train with me...lol. I'm sure I would learn more that way!

From a guys point of view.... would you mind if a girl did that?

depends on how you made me train with you
if you were blackmailing me or something I wouldn't like it
but then again if you wanted to train with me I'd be glad to
I guess I may not be the average guy tho, well I know I'm not but I mean in this reguard especially cus I get so little time to train with a partner in anything starts to sound good
no offence
I will tell you tho grappling with a woman may cause some sexual arousal so maybe a few of the guys are trying to 'spare' you
I dunno...
 
KF - LOL....

Thanks to everyone else. Judo Tom I will pm you. Red Bull, I totally understand & that is why I haven't pushed the issue. I would never want to hold anyone back. I know I hate training weights with newbies (because time is limited & I don't like to feel like I wasted it)

Anyway, I have something figured out. I'll keep you updated as time goes by.

Thanks guys!
 
skittles, you have a fan. i love mma. i train very hard 5 days a week right now. mainly in bjj and mt. i also work with a kenpo trainer for explosive striking. mid 06 i am getting a regional title shot. and i hope to bring it home. heres a link to a cool amature mma group. these guys are all cool, and will help you with anything you need. www.cageofhonor.com ........ peace
 
extremesportsathlete said:
skittles, you have a fan. i love mma. i train very hard 5 days a week right now. mainly in bjj and mt. i also work with a kenpo trainer for explosive striking. mid 06 i am getting a regional title shot. and i hope to bring it home. heres a link to a cool amature mma group. these guys are all cool, and will help you with anything you need. www.cageofhonor.com ........ peace

Thank-you for the link & welcome to EF :)
 
extremesportsathlete said:
thank YOU... i know a few fighters from Canada too. Do you know any of the guys from team throwdown? Nick Portieous? They are fighters for COH.

No, I wouldn't know them. I live in a tiny little province (way up north). All those guys would be out west or in Ontario/Quebec.

I'm sure that the guys at my school would have heard their names at some point though. I can ask them.
 
Hey skittles if youre still having trouble passing guard I learnt this pimp ass pass a few days ago, I'll post up when I get back from class. Its really ,really easy.. take care.
 
yarg post the guard pass your talking about.

Skittles: how are things going?
 
I've been doing Muay Thai, but I haven't went to a BJJ class for about 2 weeks (maybe 2 1/2). I had a few privates, we mostly did arm bars, heel hooks & leg locks. The first partner I had hasn't went to class in about a month & the second hasn't been able to train (for a good reason). Anyway, I hope things change soon, but for now I'll stick with the privates. I'm thinking after the holidays pass people will be able to commit.

How are you two doing with the training?
 
ok the pass, straight from the Carlson Gracie camp:

Its really easy. It can work if the opponent has tied up one arm and your head or not tied up anything at all. For simplicity sake Ill go with not tied up, and for simplicity sake imagine you are passing to the LEFT and trying to attain LEFT side control or attain mount from the left side. OK.

1. You set up a good base (as in on your knees, back straight, arms tucked in.)
2. Move the RIGHT knee to the middle (where the op's tail bone/ass is) and stick the left leg to the side.
3. Shift your weight to the left side and basically lie on your side while your right knee is pressed against their tailbone.
4. By shifting your weight you have pinned one of their legs to the ground.
5. Take your LEFT arm and press it down against their knee (where the joint is curved for guard position).
6. Stick your back up while you are placing weight on his knee. The guard opens up like a can.
7. Slip your LEFT leg onto his the thigh of which the knee you have pinned down (DO NOT RELEASE THIS PIN). ANd drive it/squish it on top of their thigh and HOLD IT. do not release that pin.
8. Slide your right leg out thru this opening and loop over their torso to the other side. (now you have attained half mount. All thats left is your left leg, whose shin is still pressed down on ur oppoenent's open guard's thigh.)
9. Slide your LEFT leg (the one thats doing the pinning) to the left side to complete your mount.
10. And you are mounted. Do everything opposite to pass from the right.
 
Don't worry I'll try to get some pictures or something. I try to recap what I learnt after a week to keep things fresh, and to memorize all the steps down to perfection.
 
Skittles :

No offense , but F that .

Gather em up , and go to the Group Classes , Buddy o not . Privates really just arent worth it untiul youre really advanced or having some Particular Sticking point ... unless youre just hot enough to be gettingthem for free , that is ,then by all means go on ahead ...

But seriously , youll learn more by going against more ppl , and by having varied looks at your game . If not you could just stick to MT for a while till you decide to go back .

Course you could have money like Gates Trump and this could all just be me Squawking for naught ...
 
Then she should go around the room Kicking those Macho Fucks in the nuts till one of them slaps a decant Kimura on her !
 
Skittles :

I dont really know you appearantly , soo ...

Whats your Age/Height/Weight ?

What are your Lift #s ?

Are you considered Attractive ? If so , in what way ? (Like "Cute"/Pixie , or Bomnbshell type , Little Sister , etc)

Pardon my Bluntness , Im Jamaican .
 
Djimbe said:
Skittles :

I dont really know you appearantly , soo ...

Whats your Age/Height/Weight ?

What are your Lift #s ?

Are you considered Attractive ? If so , in what way ? (Like "Cute"/Pixie , or Bomnbshell type , Little Sister , etc)

Pardon my Bluntness , Im Jamaican .

yah and on top of that how about a pic of the glutes!
: P
 
Yarg, thanks for posting that :)

Djimbe, I hope in the new year I will have a partner. The privates are just helping me to learn the basics, then I shouldn't have a problem convincing a guy to train with me. The Muay Thai is great, and I love the workout.

I don't really know how I would be rated...lol. My stats are 24 years old, 5'8", between 130-133 lbs. So, no I'm not small & I shouldn't have a problem rolling with a guy :)
 
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