BigAndy: Best drug to stack with NPP?

[Anakin]

BigAndy seems to be the NPP expert but any help is appreciated and rewarded with poor karma.

Assuming NPP is the base drug at 200mg e3d (466/week), what is the best drug to stack it with?

Some people say winny because of its anti-prog. effects, but assume the person is using Cabaser at .5mg 2 days a week.

I've also heard that nandrolone/dbol combo is the best.

So what will give more lean mass gains, npp+winny or npp+dbol? Water retention from dbol and temporary vascularity from winny are not a real concern because they are temporary.... I'm talking net results.

I'm thinking of the following, to keep weekly doses in the 700mgs:
1-6: NPP @200mg e3d
1-6: Test enanthate @150mg/week
1-6: Dbol @25mg/day
7-8: Test prop @100mg eod
7-8: Winny @50mg/day

Another option would be to raise Test enanthate and drop the dbol.

What do you all think???

 

[BigAndy69]

I don't think Enanthate is a good idea, but if you don't want to inject prop EOD, it wouldn't be a bad idea.

Right now I am using 100mg NPP, 50mg Test prop, 25mg winny ED

Here's something that will give you the best of both winny and dbol:

Enanthate: w1-6 250mg E3D (~575mg a week)
NPP: w1-6 200mg E3D
Dbol: w1-4 25mg ED
Prop: w7-9: 100mg-150mg EOD
Winny: w7-10: 50mg ED

This keeps your cycle fairly short and allows you to start PCT right away.

As far as the perfect cycle:

Prop/NPP/dbol or winny

Something like this:

Dbol or Winny: W1-6
150mg EOD of NPP W1-6
150mg EOD of Prop W1-8

This cycle in my opinion is one of the best: short, effective, low sides and inexpensive.

 

[BigAndy69]

"So what will give more lean mass gains, npp+winny or npp+dbol?"

For me the answer is winny because that's what I respond to very well, but in general, dbol is stronger, especially mg for mg.

Some people cannot tolerate dbol so winny is the answer, while others do ver well on dbol and get nothing off winny....either way, both are excellent choices with NPP.

 

[Anakin]

Thanks a lot BA, your advice is always solid.

Given that I only have two cycles under my belt though, the doses seem a bit too high (injectables alone are about 1 gram per week). So far I haven't gotten any sides from my cycles: no acne, no gyno, excellent recovery with clomid, only slight water retention, and I haven't used anti-e's though I keep them on hand just in case. Still, I'm afraid of down-regulation of androgen receptors and making future cycles less effective by upping doses too quickly.

What kind of dose adjustments would you make if I am fixed on the idea of using NPP as my base drug at 200mg e3d?

 

[BigAndy69]

Thanks a lot BA, your advice is always solid.

Given that I only have two cycles under my belt though, the doses seem a bit too high (injectables alone are about 1 gram per week). So far I haven't gotten any sides from my cycles: no acne, no gyno, excellent recovery with clomid, only slight water retention, and I haven't used anti-e's though I keep them on hand just in case. Still, I'm afraid of down-regulation of androgen receptors and making future cycles less effective by upping doses too quickly.

What kind of dose adjustments would you make if I am fixed on the idea of using NPP as my base drug at 200mg e3d?

I'm sorry I overlooked that you want to use NPP as your base.

Anyway, 150mg Enanthate a week is completely useless.

I would suggest the following changes:

Enanthate: w1-6 150mg-200mg E3D (350mg-466mg a week)
NPP: w1-6 200mg E3D
Dbol: w1-4 25mg ED
Prop: w7-9: 100mg EOD
Winny: w7-10: 50mg ED

 

[solidspine]

I have been doing cycles for 6-7 years, and on this board for a while,
searched and just can remember what the heck is npp?

 

[BigAndy69]

I have been doing cycles for 6-7 years, and on this board for a while,
searched and just can remember what the heck is npp?

It's a Nandrolone PhenylPropionate, a very fast acting form of Nandrolone, a lot more effective and efficient than Deca IMO.

 

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I have been doing cycles for 6-7 years, and on this board for a while,
searched and just can remember what the heck is npp?[/QUOTE

Nandrolone Phenylpropionate. Fast acting deca is what it is.

 

[Dial_tone]

Is there a difference in how long you can/should stay on NPP versus Deca? Is 8-10 weeks on NPP a problem?

 

[georgie24]

bigandy- i would assume 6 week cycle would leave very little room for horrendous post cycle crash right? do you think a tab of dostinex and hcg on the weekends would help recovery quicker?

i hate hormonal imbalance post cycle. i feel like a different person for a while