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BigAndy: Best drug to stack with NPP?

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Anakin

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BigAndy seems to be the NPP expert but any help is appreciated and rewarded with poor karma.

Assuming NPP is the base drug at 200mg e3d (466/week), what is the best drug to stack it with?

Some people say winny because of its anti-prog. effects, but assume the person is using Cabaser at .5mg 2 days a week.

I've also heard that nandrolone/dbol combo is the best.

So what will give more lean mass gains, npp+winny or npp+dbol? Water retention from dbol and temporary vascularity from winny are not a real concern because they are temporary.... I'm talking net results.

I'm thinking of the following, to keep weekly doses in the 700mgs:
1-6: NPP @200mg e3d
1-6: Test enanthate @150mg/week
1-6: Dbol @25mg/day
7-8: Test prop @100mg eod
7-8: Winny @50mg/day

Another option would be to raise Test enanthate and drop the dbol.

What do you all think???
 
I don't think Enanthate is a good idea, but if you don't want to inject prop EOD, it wouldn't be a bad idea.

Right now I am using 100mg NPP, 50mg Test prop, 25mg winny ED

Here's something that will give you the best of both winny and dbol:

Enanthate: w1-6 250mg E3D (~575mg a week)
NPP: w1-6 200mg E3D
Dbol: w1-4 25mg ED
Prop: w7-9: 100mg-150mg EOD
Winny: w7-10: 50mg ED

This keeps your cycle fairly short and allows you to start PCT right away.

As far as the perfect cycle:

Prop/NPP/dbol or winny

Something like this:

Dbol or Winny: W1-6
150mg EOD of NPP W1-6
150mg EOD of Prop W1-8

This cycle in my opinion is one of the best: short, effective, low sides and inexpensive.
 
"So what will give more lean mass gains, npp+winny or npp+dbol?"

For me the answer is winny because that's what I respond to very well, but in general, dbol is stronger, especially mg for mg.

Some people cannot tolerate dbol so winny is the answer, while others do ver well on dbol and get nothing off winny....either way, both are excellent choices with NPP.
 
Thanks a lot BA, your advice is always solid.

Given that I only have two cycles under my belt though, the doses seem a bit too high (injectables alone are about 1 gram per week). So far I haven't gotten any sides from my cycles: no acne, no gyno, excellent recovery with clomid, only slight water retention, and I haven't used anti-e's though I keep them on hand just in case. Still, I'm afraid of down-regulation of androgen receptors and making future cycles less effective by upping doses too quickly.

What kind of dose adjustments would you make if I am fixed on the idea of using NPP as my base drug at 200mg e3d?
 
Anakin said:
Thanks a lot BA, your advice is always solid.

Given that I only have two cycles under my belt though, the doses seem a bit too high (injectables alone are about 1 gram per week). So far I haven't gotten any sides from my cycles: no acne, no gyno, excellent recovery with clomid, only slight water retention, and I haven't used anti-e's though I keep them on hand just in case. Still, I'm afraid of down-regulation of androgen receptors and making future cycles less effective by upping doses too quickly.

What kind of dose adjustments would you make if I am fixed on the idea of using NPP as my base drug at 200mg e3d?
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I'm sorry I overlooked that you want to use NPP as your base.

Anyway, 150mg Enanthate a week is completely useless.

I would suggest the following changes:

Enanthate: w1-6 150mg-200mg E3D (350mg-466mg a week)
NPP: w1-6 200mg E3D
Dbol: w1-4 25mg ED
Prop: w7-9: 100mg EOD
Winny: w7-10: 50mg ED
 
I have been doing cycles for 6-7 years, and on this board for a while,
searched and just can remember what the heck is npp?
 
solidspine said:
I have been doing cycles for 6-7 years, and on this board for a while,
searched and just can remember what the heck is npp?
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It's a Nandrolone PhenylPropionate, a very fast acting form of Nandrolone, a lot more effective and efficient than Deca IMO.
 
Is there a difference in how long you can/should stay on NPP versus Deca? Is 8-10 weeks on NPP a problem?
 
bigandy- i would assume 6 week cycle would leave very little room for horrendous post cycle crash right? do you think a tab of dostinex and hcg on the weekends would help recovery quicker?

i hate hormonal imbalance post cycle. i feel like a different person for a while
 
Hey BA, while on the NPP topic..... Seeing that NPP is just a short acting Deca so to speak, do you still get the side benefit of the easing of joint pain? Whats your take on the healing properties of Deca (I'm sure I'll hear a mixed bag here). What are some other benefits of NPP vs Deca? ie sides, keepable gains, etc.
 
Dial_tone said:
Is there a difference in how long you can/should stay on NPP versus Deca? Is 8-10 weeks on NPP a problem?
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Nandrolone is very potent and it can shut you down quite easily, I don't see the point in running NPP for longer than 6-7 weeks. (Keep in mind I also beleive that using fina for more than 6-7 weeks is a bad idea.)

When you run deca for 10 weeks, your cycle is actually more or less about 14-16 weeks (depends on dose)

In those 14-16 weeks, you are only at full concentration for 6-7 weeks (3-4 weeks to kick in, 4-6 weeks top clear out)

Deca takes 4 weeks to reach desired blood levels, and studies have shown that just 50mg of Deca can cause serious suppression.... so the first 3-4 weeks are not very efficient and I'm not even going to talk about how long it takes to clear :rolleyes:

Deca is just a dinosaur drug...NPP is the way to go
 
georgie24 said:
bigandy- i would assume 6 week cycle would leave very little room for horrendous post cycle crash right? do you think a tab of dostinex and hcg on the weekends would help recovery quicker?

i hate hormonal imbalance post cycle. i feel like a different person for a while
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Exactly right, you are not going to gain all that much more after 6-7 weeks (from my experience) so why push it and experience bad side effects and a serious crash. This is true for any cycle, especially true for strong compounds like nandro and tren.

I think the best thing to do is extend your cycle 2 weeks past the NPP with something like Test and/or anavar and/or winny
 
phil1 said:
Hey BA, while on the NPP topic..... Seeing that NPP is just a short acting Deca so to speak, do you still get the side benefit of the easing of joint pain? Whats your take on the healing properties of Deca (I'm sure I'll hear a mixed bag here). What are some other benefits of NPP vs Deca? ie sides, keepable gains, etc.
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You get the benefits of Deca with much less water retention.

Deca does not have healing properties, it does bring in more water to the joints which eases pain. If that's what you are primary looking for, deca is a better choice since it produces more water retention.

NPP is basically Deca minus the 7-10 week dead zones.

A lot of people who stayed away from Deca all these years (for good reason) are blowing up on NPP. First time nandrolone use is like first time test use; you just get massive gains and it adds a thickness to your physique that test fails to do.
 
Good stuff andy. how long after gyno surgery should i wait to cycle? i was planning on 8 weeks post surgery...whats your thoughts?
 
If you want your joints lubed, don't use Deca....get yourself some Adequan to run with your NPP-based cycle. Lubed joints isn't worth the shitty effects of Deca.
 
georgie24 said:
Good stuff andy. how long after gyno surgery should i wait to cycle? i was planning on 8 weeks post surgery...whats your thoughts?
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I think it's completely individual, and you should see how you feel after surgery...some people recover after 4 weeks, for others it takes more time. Wait until you are 100% so you can train at maximum intensity on cycle.
 
Everything BA69 says. Great cycle choices. The man does know his NPP. I would personally rather run 25mg of dbol with it, than winny. For some strange reason dbol dosent effect my hair, where winny doesnt clash to well with it.

Mavy
 
Mavy said:
............. NPP. I would personally rather run 25mg of dbol with it, than winny. For some strange reason dbol dosent effect my hair, where winny doesnt clash to well with it.

Mavy
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same with me. strange.

I'm over 30 (...ahem), and the older you get, the more bound test you have. my theory on why winny kills my hair yet most say its hair-safe, is since winny suppossedly frees bound test (lowers or preferentially binds SHBG? uncouples already bound test?), older guys now have a shitload of extra test to be converted to DHT. younger guys won't have the same situation.

if you're also 30+ this may be the cause.
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Anakin said:
So what will give more lean mass gains, npp+winny or npp+dbol? Water retention from dbol and temporary vascularity from winny are not a real concern because they are temporary.... I'm talking net results.

I'm thinking of the following, to keep weekly doses in the 700mgs:
1-6: NPP @200mg e3d
1-6: Test enanthate @150mg/week
1-6: Dbol @25mg/day
7-8: Test prop @100mg eod
7-8: Winny @50mg/day
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1-15 NPP @ 100mg E3D
1-13 EQ @ 100mg E3D
1-13 Test E @ 100mg E3D
 
how long after gyno surgery should i wait to cycle? i was planning on 8 weeks post surgery...whats your thoughts.

I agree with Andy - its personal. I had to wait longer than 8 weeks - more like twelve before I felt that I could really hit my chest hard. Then the physcological barrier of doing gear again and possibly getting gyno again. I would wait 3 months - let your body chill and recover 100%. Then think long and hard about future cycles. Peace
 
georgie24 said:
Good stuff andy. how long after gyno surgery should i wait to cycle? i was planning on 8 weeks post surgery...whats your thoughts?
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I didnt know you were getting surgery georgie? what did you get gyno from? test?
 
Alright it should be a nice cycle, hehe. Thanks BA I'd give you my shitty karma but I have to spread it around.

Mavy I'm with you on the winny, soon after I start using it I notice extra hair clogged in the shower drain.

Funny thing about steroids and me is that ever since I ran clomid for the first time, my natural testosterone level (and lh/fsh) has been higher than what it was before I started using AAS. And the last time I got bloodwork it was a full month after finishing clomid therapy.
 
georgie24 said:
yea i wanna know about joint pain lubing properties as well!!!
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NPP does not lube joints like DECA. DECA wins in this department, but NPP is hands down much better. Minimal bloat and nice gains.
 
chordz said:
So you like Syrus? What is your injection schedule?
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Syrus = great results so far. I do 2cc EOD.. that's 150mg of each (prop & npp) every other day wich adds up to 525mg of each per week.
 
I had a bit of puberty gyno that lingered around for a while, 3 years ago i did a test/eq cycle and really pushed my luck and it made it 10x worst and it hurts like a bitch to boot. nolva and armi didnt do anything to prevent or stop it. then again i was using liquid stuff so i blew it, im writing a how to get free gyno surgery article and will be posting it at vipbb, of course im getting it done FREE of charge by a plastic surgeon. i will write in that article all the tricks and things you need to tell the doc so you dont pay a dime no matter what the situation is.
 
georgie24 said:
I had a bit of puberty gyno that lingered around for a while, 3 years ago i did a test/eq cycle and really pushed my luck and it made it 10x worst and it hurts like a bitch to boot. nolva and armi didnt do anything to prevent or stop it. then again i was using liquid stuff so i blew it, im writing a how to get free gyno surgery article and will be posting it at vipbb, of course im getting it done FREE of charge by a plastic surgeon. i will write in that article all the tricks and things you need to tell the doc so you dont pay a dime no matter what the situation is.
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That'll be good info to help alot of brothers with that problem.
 
im writing the article from first hand experience as well. so id imagine an influxe in gyno surgeries really soon. oh and if your in canada your in better shape to get it done free
 
bigandy what would be a better cycle

npp 200 e3d- 6weeks
anavar 50mged- 6 weeks

or

npp 200mg e3d- 6 weeks
dbol 30-50mg ed - 6 weeks

looking for nice keepable size, i never rab any of those compounds i have listed btw
 
georgie24 said:
bigandy what would be a better cycle

npp 200 e3d- 6weeks
anavar 50mged- 6 weeks

or

npp 200mg e3d- 6 weeks
dbol 30-50mg ed - 6 weeks

looking for nice keepable size, i never rab any of those compounds i have listed btw
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I like the dbol + NPP stack..but what I would suggest is the following:

npp 200mg e3d - 6 weeks
dbol 30mg ED - first 4 weeks
Anavar 40-50mg ED last 4 weeks

Finishing off with anavar only the last 2 weeks will make for an easier recovery.
 
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