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Best steroid for keeping mass????
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Lupercal CATS
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Probably primo...
but just run some test with PCT
but just run some test with PCT
Stacemranger
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PCT is the proper thing to keep all your gains. You're going to lose a few pounds anyway just because of the lower test in your body, but with proper PCT(clom, nolva, hcg) you will keep a majority of what you gain.
Lupercal CATS
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awms said:
Might want to run some test if your going to also run winny. Primo won't really shut you down but I think winny will a little. Maybe I'm just stupid though. I'd run atleast 250mgs test with that.
mr. snakes
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awms:
Anavar, Deca, Eq, Masteron, Primo, Winstrol
Anavar, Deca, Eq, Masteron, Primo, Winstrol
im 5"11 205lbs about 15% bf and i have been lifting for 4 year. 3 of those year i have been lifting to gain mass. this would be my first cycle and i am hoping to gain atleast 15 pounds and keep most of it! which is why i want to get on primo or eq. both are one of few steroids to let a person keep ther gians. i want to stack it with somthing though i thought winny would be good?
so if you could help me? what dose should i take? which one should i take eq or primo? and what should i stack it with? remember this is my first cycle.
i am also wondering how long i should run eq or primo cuz i have heard it take about 4 weeks for it to kick in but i do not want to shut down my natural test for to long u know?
so if you could help me? what dose should i take? which one should i take eq or primo? and what should i stack it with? remember this is my first cycle.
i am also wondering how long i should run eq or primo cuz i have heard it take about 4 weeks for it to kick in but i do not want to shut down my natural test for to long u know?
LVTitan
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yup yup..LT3 said:
primo tren deca eq
remember guys one of the reasons tren is so good at keeping gains is that a tren cycle disables the cortisol receptors, some of them for good, but this effect can last up to a year. so after the cycle, your anabolic/catabolic ratio is way in your favor with cortisol not being allowed to do it's job. i wonder if deca has this effect, does anyone know ?
awms said:
If you can afford it and know that it is real primo running 600mg/wk would be an excellent cycle. I honestly think you would be happier runing a simple test cycle and maybe jumpstarting it with a little d-bol. You can gain some quality mass; and based on yer size you know how to eat and train - I would think if you had your shit together there is no reason why you couldnt keep 15# post cycle
M
Mr.X
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awms said:
With proper PCT, you will not lose gains. Ideally, primo, anavar and moderate test dosages are your best way to go, if you're worried.
Just have a proper PCT set-up, and losing gains will not be a problem.
boxerjake
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Guy's pardon my interuption but some of these claims are down right " wrong " ..
Proper PCT or not .. your body can only adjust to holding onto so much gains at once ...
My teeth hurt when i read .. i'm going to do a 2 month cycle and i want to keep it all , then someone else says .. well sure you can, just do proper PCT and your good to go .
Ok then how about genetic limitations , without it according to this logic we could be 500 pounds of muscle in 15 years worth of cycles with the proper PCT ?
Hmmmmm I'm 205 so i'll do this cycle and gain 15 pound which i'll keep cuz the guys say if i do proper PCT i'm good to go .. so now i'm 220 so next i'll do another cycle only stronger doses for another 15 pounds ... now i'm 235lbs ! the guys say with proper PCT i'll keep that .. Hmmmm not bad for 2 cycles this year .. So next year i'll do my third cycle for another 15lbs which will bring me to 250lbs then i'll wait 6 months and do another one to finish off the year at 265 then 280 then 295 then 310 then ..................
I'm not being an ass guys and i know this example is stupid " but " if anything it should bring you back to reality and realize that " KEEPING " the gains post cycle is the tough part and the biggest reason guys get hooked on going onto the next cycle because they loose part or all of what they gained because of poor diet or lack of knowledge on how this machine called our bodies really functions ..
I don't know how old this guy is but lets just say he is 24 .. well you have had 24 years to get to the weight and muscle structure you have now ... changing that by 15 pounds in a few short months is a huge change for your body and it will revert back to where it thinks it's suppose to be if you don't change your diet for one ...
I realize this is a first time cycle and beginners most often see the most results on the first cyle .. I'd steer clear of test at this time and go with compounds less harsh till you get a feel for it .. hell good quaility gains can be made on 1 tab of d-bol a day little own and elaborate stack of compounds ..
My votes goes to a short run of deca and winny together ... or primo and var
If you cant get var then try primo and d-bol , this was one of arnolds favorite stacks back in the day .
The biggest downfall of stacks the first time out is if you have an adverse reaction then your clueless to which compoud is causing the problem ...
Air on the side of caution and ease yourself in ... or you might find out your just another one of those guys that keeps riding the rollercoast of gains .. up and down up and down up and down .
Or say fuck it and jump in with both feet .. if your man enough to take on the roids then you should be man enough to deal with any of the negatives ..
Two schools of thought .. pick one
Proper PCT or not .. your body can only adjust to holding onto so much gains at once ...
My teeth hurt when i read .. i'm going to do a 2 month cycle and i want to keep it all , then someone else says .. well sure you can, just do proper PCT and your good to go .
Ok then how about genetic limitations , without it according to this logic we could be 500 pounds of muscle in 15 years worth of cycles with the proper PCT ?
Hmmmmm I'm 205 so i'll do this cycle and gain 15 pound which i'll keep cuz the guys say if i do proper PCT i'm good to go .. so now i'm 220 so next i'll do another cycle only stronger doses for another 15 pounds ... now i'm 235lbs ! the guys say with proper PCT i'll keep that .. Hmmmm not bad for 2 cycles this year .. So next year i'll do my third cycle for another 15lbs which will bring me to 250lbs then i'll wait 6 months and do another one to finish off the year at 265 then 280 then 295 then 310 then ..................
I'm not being an ass guys and i know this example is stupid " but " if anything it should bring you back to reality and realize that " KEEPING " the gains post cycle is the tough part and the biggest reason guys get hooked on going onto the next cycle because they loose part or all of what they gained because of poor diet or lack of knowledge on how this machine called our bodies really functions ..
I don't know how old this guy is but lets just say he is 24 .. well you have had 24 years to get to the weight and muscle structure you have now ... changing that by 15 pounds in a few short months is a huge change for your body and it will revert back to where it thinks it's suppose to be if you don't change your diet for one ...
I realize this is a first time cycle and beginners most often see the most results on the first cyle .. I'd steer clear of test at this time and go with compounds less harsh till you get a feel for it .. hell good quaility gains can be made on 1 tab of d-bol a day little own and elaborate stack of compounds ..
My votes goes to a short run of deca and winny together ... or primo and var
If you cant get var then try primo and d-bol , this was one of arnolds favorite stacks back in the day .
The biggest downfall of stacks the first time out is if you have an adverse reaction then your clueless to which compoud is causing the problem ...
Air on the side of caution and ease yourself in ... or you might find out your just another one of those guys that keeps riding the rollercoast of gains .. up and down up and down up and down .
Or say fuck it and jump in with both feet .. if your man enough to take on the roids then you should be man enough to deal with any of the negatives ..
Two schools of thought .. pick one
jacshelb
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Just want to throw in a caution. While liver, kidney, and several other sides are not going to necessarilly kill you right off. It seems the vast majority, even those who are careful sometimes, have some trouble with gyno and hairloss. I would take precautions. Definately have some Nolva on hand. It is cheap. Also, while propecia may interfere with some steroids in a negative way, topical hair treatments are not a bad idea for any cycle. I suggest using polysorbate 80 shampoo and minoxidil in their generic forms. Costs just $5-10 dollars a month. Also could use topical spironolactone, which is reasonably priced. These are just basics you likely already know about. But, just in case, thought I'd give a heads up.
Later,
Jacob
Later,
Jacob
jerminator
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he said this is his first cycle. what happened to test only of your first. stacking is a bad idea for #1. test 500mg a week. i gained 20lbs. kept 15lb. keep it stupid simple. haha
JohnnyWest
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awms said:
Just so you know, EQ does aromatize. Even though it isnt to a great degree you said you are sensitive.
Primo and EQ is probably plenty for a first cycle, you could add var or winstrol if you wanted.
RADAR
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OK! I've got to chime in here.......You want to run 2 compounds? Fine! My choices would be Primo & Test, Don't worry about the bloated look some bloat some do not, if you are prone to test bloat the liquiadex from AG Guys will handle that!
Primo works well even while on a calorie deficient diet ,thats what makes it so desirable
A good dosage would be test @ 500mg wk, primo@ 600mgs wk for 10 weeks.
Remember PCT is important but equally important is the diet, just because you are on PCT is no excuse for skimping diet as you are still in an anabolic state (Somewhat)
Everyone responds to different compounds differently ,something to consider! Other than that , keeping all the above in check -you should be good to go.
RADAR
Primo works well even while on a calorie deficient diet ,thats what makes it so desirable
A good dosage would be test @ 500mg wk, primo@ 600mgs wk for 10 weeks.
Remember PCT is important but equally important is the diet, just because you are on PCT is no excuse for skimping diet as you are still in an anabolic state (Somewhat)
Everyone responds to different compounds differently ,something to consider! Other than that , keeping all the above in check -you should be good to go.
RADAR
MASSIVEMONSTER
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its all about PCT. if you can keep your hormones in balance, test up, etc during the recovery period you should keep a FAIR amount of your gains. However, after a few cycles there is no way you can keep all your gains IMO otherwise as boxer jake said we`d all be 400lb in a few years. Genetic limitations will play their part.
i ran nolva, hcg and trib during my last pct and only lost 3lb which i was very happy with as it was my 10th cycle and i am 35lb over my natural genetic max.
i ran nolva, hcg and trib during my last pct and only lost 3lb which i was very happy with as it was my 10th cycle and i am 35lb over my natural genetic max.
whitemahon
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cycles become less productive over time due largely to saturated steroid receptors in the body. how quickly you reach saturation is largely genetic, and differs with compound. i'd give up 50lbs to have virgin receptors again.
people are telling you that pct is key for good reason. losses post cycle happen due to test levels crashing when exogenous test is discontinued, allowing cortisol (catabolic hormone) to become dominant. with proper pct, you can restore natural hormonal production before all the exogenous hormone is exhausted.
it's not an absolute that you lose x amount of muscle after each cycle. you can keep your gains. you simply can't expect to see the same gains from the same cycles, year after year. the longer you use steroids, the less effective they become. . . and the more creative you have to become in order to grow.
these are the reasons we don't see 500lb monsters around every corner (not muscular attrition thru post cycle catabolism). the really big boys are genetic freaks, and by that i mean, they have less shbg, more capacity for free test, and more receptors than 99.9% of people on the planet.
all steroids suppress hpta to varying degrees, so test needs to be part of every cycle to replace what is suppressed naturally.
people are telling you that pct is key for good reason. losses post cycle happen due to test levels crashing when exogenous test is discontinued, allowing cortisol (catabolic hormone) to become dominant. with proper pct, you can restore natural hormonal production before all the exogenous hormone is exhausted.
it's not an absolute that you lose x amount of muscle after each cycle. you can keep your gains. you simply can't expect to see the same gains from the same cycles, year after year. the longer you use steroids, the less effective they become. . . and the more creative you have to become in order to grow.
these are the reasons we don't see 500lb monsters around every corner (not muscular attrition thru post cycle catabolism). the really big boys are genetic freaks, and by that i mean, they have less shbg, more capacity for free test, and more receptors than 99.9% of people on the planet.
all steroids suppress hpta to varying degrees, so test needs to be part of every cycle to replace what is suppressed naturally.
karachi183
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Gains can be kept as long as you don't crash using pct or tapering off and keeping diet on point as well as workout schedule. From what i have noticed ppl loose gains from just falling off diet and training.
Quiltie
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Don't want to hijack, but to speak to boxerjakes post- I've seen guys that cycle, get big, stop working out and never seem to lose an ounce. AND I've seen myself lose muscle like crazy after a 4 month off period. In my case- if I don't work to keep it, I lose it. So it's a commitment in that sense, you have to take the ups (on the cycle and lifting like Hercules) with the downs (off for a while, no bridge, want to cry sometimes because it hurts).
