Best stack for keeping gains

[Icon1985]

Can anybody suggest the best AS for keeping gains. I seem to be really bad at keeping gains depsite PCT - post cycle therapy - and decent diet i managed to lose 70%

As an example i tried Sdrol/m-drol recently (supplement i know!) but i lost the vast majority of the gains within 3 weeks. Lost about 7 of 11 pounds added.

Am i likely to keep more gains with test & something stacked?

My build is naturally small and I find it very hard to make gains and keep them.

I am about 75kgs, training for a few years, on and off, and want to add some mass that will stay, as safely as possible.

Would something like Test, Primobolan and Anavar be a good stack?

Thanks for your help.

 

[swole]

you answered your own question

 

[Nelson Montana]

YOu used crap supplements so what's the surprise? You train on and off so how do expect to keep gains, especially if you're naturally small?

I'd suggest going to back to some good supps (BIG BLAST,UNLEASHED etc) and learning more about training and hitting it hard and seriously. Eat more. And more. And more.

If you do gear now you'll be asking the same question in 6 months.

 

[Tatyana]

Can anybody suggest the best AS for keeping gains. I seem to be really bad at keeping gains depsite PCT - post cycle therapy - and decent diet i managed to lose 70%

As an example i tried Sdrol/m-drol recently (supplement i know!) but i lost the vast majority of the gains within 3 weeks. Lost about 7 of 11 pounds added.

Am i likely to keep more gains with test & something stacked?

My build is naturally small and I find it very hard to make gains and keep them.

I am about 75kgs, training for a few years, on and off, and want to add some mass that will stay, as safely as possible.

Would something like Test, Primobolan and Anavar be a good stack?

Thanks for your help.

Hello again

I guess you didn't like the answers last time when the lads and myself both indicated that it would be diet and training that will help you keep your gains.

You have started training a bit later in life, but it is amazing what you can do with transforming your body.

I would suggest you read a bit more about diet and training and come back with a few more specific questions in the diet and/or training sections.

If it was as easy as taking some tablets and a few injections, there would be stacks of 250 lb/18 stone men walking around.

But there isn't.

 

[swole]

Hello again

I guess you didn't like the answers last time when the lads and myself both indicated that it would be diet and training that will help you keep your gains.

You have started training a bit later in life, but it is amazing what you can do with transforming your body.

I would suggest you read a bit more about diet and training and come back with a few more specific questions in the diet and/or training sections.

If it was as easy as taking some tablets and a few injections, there would be stacks of 250 lb/18 stone men walking around.

But there isn't.

it's not that easy?? kidding

Tat and Nelson hit it on the head, I should have made a point about it.

I've seen more than a fair share of juicers lose everything they gained during a cycle because they got lazy afterwards. You should be making a point to eat better and train harder, all day, everyday. It's about consistency. It's a lifestyle. Make training and eating for goals a habit.

Training "on and off" gives the impression you're looking for a quick fix during those months you do train.

 

[Tatyana]

it's not that easy?? kidding

Tat and Nelson hit it on the head, I should have made a point about it.

I've seen more than a fair share of juicers lose everything they gained during a cycle because they got lazy afterwards. You should be making a point to eat better and train harder, all day, everyday. It's about consistency. It's a lifestyle. Make training and eating for goals a habit.

Training "on and off" gives the impression you're looking for a quick fix during those months you do train.

To be fair, his first thread was in supplements
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/bodybuilding-supplements/best-stack-keeping-gains-592591.html


I do think that there is probably A LOT you can do with modifications to your diet and training.

I was clueless at first.

Steroids are only 'performance-enhancing'. They don't do the job for you.

 

[Icon1985]

Thanks for replies (previous post was moved to another board so that's why reposted on correct board)

I'll take another look at the diet. I am not sure how much more I can add to it other than eating like 6 times a day and good protein, and creatine and protein drinks and lots of water etc

I have a lot of time at the moment...I won't have such time available later (obviously i will continue training!)

THe reason i stopped and started was pains in my shoulder BTW.

I train about 3 times a week (for the last 6 months) and strength is increasing slowly...but adding weight is very slow.

Any suggestions welcome on diet. I will post it again here:

My DAILY diet is something like this per day: (no gluten or dairy )
Breakfast- 4 eggs, toast, rice cereal, banana,
11am whey protein drink (including creatine powder) - can of fish
2pm chicken breasts and rice,
workout - followed by protein drink
5pm steak sandwich
8pm 4 egg omellete with olives, tomatoes, onion
11pm banana sandwiches, protein drink

TRAINING about 3 or 4 times week, split into shoulders, chest, legs.

thank u all

 

[james629]

I did not see your other post, but how old are you and what are your stats? How long have you been training. In my opinion 4 days a week is bare MINIMUM you should train, unless you are training for powerlifting/ strongman where the body needs the longer rest.

 

[Tatyana]

I did not see your other post, but how old are you and what are your stats? How long have you been training. In my opinion 4 days a week is bare MINIMUM you should train, unless you are training for powerlifting/ strongman where the body needs the longer rest.

That is debatable, some hardgainers make better progress training as little as two days a week/full body workout.

My training buddy is doing great on three days a week right now.

Icon, maybe you could cut and paste some of the stuff across from your other thread in supplements.

 

[Icon1985]

cheers!!! THANKS!

I have been told and have read numerous articles saying that more than 3 times will not give my muscles time to recover as I am hard gainer. I tend to agree with this although people have different opinions.

Training: The reason I don't mix up training is cos I like to compare how I am performing to the previous workout (diary). I spose I could change exercises, but I have been told the main compound ones have to stay.

Normally i would do something like this in a week, with few minor changes- takes 1 hour.

Chest: Bench press; Bar curl; dumb fly; incline dumb press; inc sit ups with weight

Shoulders: Press Behind neck; military press; standing dumb raise; bent/upright bar row; sit ups

Legs/back: Squat; wide grip pulldown; leg press; seated row; calf raise; sit ups.

FOOD: I eat normal sized portions. I don't count exact calories, but estimate I get about 170-200g protein a day. I take extra fish oil supps.