Best post cycle out right now?

[the.gladiator1987]

the big problem I see with your pct is you ran deca yet you have NNOTHING in your pct for progesterone and or prolatin..
for this reason I think you need to switch out the sustain alpha and use forma-stanzol my friend.

fuck needto ur right, i dont know how i react to deca yet. I know that estrogen is never a big deal because I can get away without running any AI when I run test/dbol

What if i used both? formastanzol AND sustain? I think im gonna do this

sustain
clomid (25mg)
HCGenerate
forma-stanzol
UNLEASHED
POST CYCLE


Look good???

 

[Stocks_and_Steroids]

How many Migs per week are your running of Deca? I can run 400 mg for 8 weeks or under and no sides. Have you run Deca before? Deca has a bad rep but a few of us never have any problem with Deca. Oh, I do get Deca Dick if I don't run double the Test of Deca. But Cialis solves hat problem.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

How many Migs per week are your running of Deca? I can run 400 mg for 8 weeks or under and no sides. Have you run Deca before? Deca has a bad rep but a few of us never have any problem with Deca. Oh, I do get Deca Dick if I don't run double the Test of Deca. But Cialis solves hat problem.

Im doing

test e 600mg
deca 400mg

I have NEVER ran deca but ive ran test/dbol/beastdrol/anadrol and never had any sides. Not even a slight hint of gyno, and that is WITHOUT taking an AI.

Hopefully I am one of the lucky ones with no deca problems. Haha shit maybe i should get some cialis! Hopefully i dont get deca dick, i was thinkin 600 test to 400 deca would have covered that problem

 

[Nelson Montana]

Dump your list, use HCG during your cycle and a SERM like clomid or nolva for PCT. Make sure it is drawn out long enough.

That is all you need.

If that's all he needs how come there are so many people who don't recover with that approach?

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Nelson, what do you think of this

HCGenerate
clomid (25mg) (eric from pp recommends it and it always worked for me, cheap as hell anyway)
sustain alpha
UNLEASHED
POST CYCLE
Forma-stanzol


anything else?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson, what do you think of this

HCGenerate
clomid (25mg) (eric from pp recommends it and it always worked for me, cheap as hell anyway)
sustain alpha
UNLEASHED
POST CYCLE
Forma-stanzol


anything else?

Well, I hate clomid, it makes me feel like shit, but if it works for you, go for it. I'd add some HCG to give everything a kick start and follow with BRIDGE.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Well, I hate clomid, it makes me feel like shit, but if it works for you, go for it. I'd add some HCG to give everything a kick start and follow with BRIDGE.

I was going to take HCG up until 3-4 weeks before PCT, then add HCGenerate and take that into PCT

 

[Nelson Montana]

I was going to take HCG up until 3-4 weeks before PCT, then add HCGenerate and take that into PCT

I like stating HCG at the end of the cycle, unless you experience testicular athropy -- which is what the HCGEnerate helps prevent. My advice -- use the HCGenerate till the end, then switch to HCG and the supps, (maybe have some dex on hand if needed, ) then follow with BRIDGE.

 

[tical]

If that's all he needs how come there are so many people who don't recover with that approach?

Many factors could go into answering that question: length of PCT, overall health, diet, dosage, genetics, age, protocol, state of HPTA prior to use of AAS, environmental factors, etc.

Let's not forget the risks (of permanent damage) we take when using AAS. I seriously doubt those that have failed on SERM therapy would do any better with a handful of herbs and extracts.

Not saying SERM therapy is the only option, but based on real world medical research over the last 2 decades, it is the most realistic and best chance one has at recovery. That's why I say it's all one needs.

 

[nowaymang]

Many factors could go into answering that question: length of PCT, overall health, diet, dosage, genetics, age, protocol, state of HPTA prior to use of AAS, environmental factors, etc.

Let's not forget the risks (of permanent damage) we take when using AAS. I seriously doubt those that have failed on SERM therapy would do any better with a handful of herbs and extracts.

Not saying SERM therapy is the only option, but based on real world medical research over the last 2 decades, it is the most realistic and best chance one has at recovery. That's why I say it's all one needs.

I agree to be honest i don't understand why people complain about clomid and nolvadex so much on this forum? YES some people feel like shit on it, YES some people feel moody etc BUT didn't we all just come off a cycle ? and now our body isn't producing testosterone naturally anymore? can anyone go into a state like that feeling MIGHTY STRONG AND GREAT? From trial and error of PCT's i've used i think a combination of natural remedies (e.g. unleashed, HCGenerate etc) + clomid or nolvadex is the best, the natural stuff helps with mood and sex drive etc and the SERMs kick start your natural test production. Just my 2cents. I just don't think all the nolvadex/clomid bashing is necessary, people will buy your natural products don't worry.