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perkele said:
Thank you! Anyone that says Tyson is oblivious to the fact that Tyson couldnt even get in reach of Ali without being knocked out. Ali was faster and had a longer reach. Tyson cant knock you out unless he's in your face, Ali wouldn't let him get there.
Plus he couldnt beat the best of his era.
Muhammad Ali's comeback was amazing after refusing induction to go to Vietnam. Thrilla in Manilla and the Rumble in the Jungle are the two best fights ever. He shocked the world when he beat Liston to become the youngest Heavyweight Champion ever.
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Gotta go with Ali.
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you have to consider Holyfield - the ONLY 4 time heavyweight champ
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hamstershaver said:
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Jones Jr in his prime
I also think Hopkins and Ray Leonard is/was special
I also think Hopkins and Ray Leonard is/was special
Vicious cycle
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Jack Johnson! No question about it. Ali even said in a interview that Johnson was the greatest ever.
http://www.famoustexans.com/jackjohnson.htm
I'm not sure why people think Ali was so great. I think it's more myth and urban legend.
http://www.famoustexans.com/jackjohnson.htm
I'm not sure why people think Ali was so great. I think it's more myth and urban legend.
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Vicious cycle said:
wow, crazy life story there. Shit was f*cked up back then.
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Sure Rocky Marciano was great. He did finish 49-0. But who did he beat? LaStarza and Joe Louis?. The Heavyweight Division was so weak then. Ali beat Frazier twice, Norton twice. He handed Foreman his ass so Foreman didnt want to fight again. He beat Sonny Liston twice at the age of 22. Plus he came back after three years of not fighting because he was stripped of the right to fight. He was the youngest Heavyweight Champion at the time. He was the first to ever regain it 3 times. And he did this without his prime years. He was unable to fight from age 26 to 29. He won the Olypic Gold in 1960. He's never been beaten by a KO. He won the title a second time, SEVEN years after winning it the first time.
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chosen.one said:
Yes he did say that. In fact he wanted to fight like him which could be why Ali was so damn fast and accurate. One time before Ali won the Olympic Gold he wanted to meet Sugar Ray at his training facility. So he went there. Sugar Ray got out of his car and he told Sugar Ray he was going to win the Olympic Gold. Sugar Ray was like: ' I dont have time for this' and walked away. Ali was upset. But Sugar Ray later became good friends with him and supported Ali.
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Vicious cycle said:
Yeah, if Ali did say that, then it was most likely because he was the first African American Heavyweight Champ ever.
Plus if you remember Ali said he was the greatest ever all the time.
'I shook up the world! I'm 22 years old and I'm the Heavyweight Champion of the world! I don't got a mark on my face! I must be the greatest! I shook up the world!'
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spongebob said:
I have and IMHO it's more myth and urban legend. He has my vote for greatest showmen, but that's a far cry from greatest boxer ever.
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eat big said:
I like Taylor, he's from my area and he's a good guy in addition to being a hell of a fighter. I also liked Tommy Morrison, he was also a local guy that I knew personally, I hated watching him self destruct, he could have been so much better. Taylor will beat Hopkins
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Breeze said:
Finally, someone who knows who Jermain Taylor is! Your from Mid-West? I saw Taylor beat Bunema. He destroyed him. He destroyed Joppy and everyone else. He really is very good. If he can get Hopkins out of his element by fighting at a faster speed off of Hopkins' pace, Hopkins is done.
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Vicious cycle said:
Not necessarily at all. I think he was so damn good that he COULD show off. He would mock people in the ring and make fun of them because they could not catch him. He would willingly use his left jab while dancing and no one could stop him. He was so good that he could beat so many of his opponents so badly but not knock them out untill he wanted to. I remember when Terrell and Patterson called him by his old name of Clay and he purposely kept them around so he could beat them while saying: Whats my name? Whats my name?. So if you have watched his fights against two time Heavyweight Champion Floyd Patterson you will see that he was talking shit, showing off and destroying him all at the same time.
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I'd love to see a Holyfield Ali fight, both in their primes.
Honorable mention goes to Foreman, he may be a joke nowadays but he was a tank back in the 70's.
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I'd love to see a Holyfield Ali fight, both in their primes.
Honorable mention goes to Foreman, he may be a joke nowadays but he was a tank back in the 70's.
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Lestat said:
Early tyson at 20yrs old hands down would take anyone......
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Pound for pound and at the top of his game?
Marvelous Marvin Hagler.
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Marvelous Marvin Hagler.
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PBR said:
Agreed...
Ali should be considered the greatest, but pound for pound have to mention Mayweather
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Vicious cycle said:
check out films of his early and middle fights. the power of a heavyweight and the speed and agility of a middleweight. the man was amazing.
From accomplishments I read I say Sugar Ray Robinson. He made a career of defeating hall of fame opponents even well past his competive prime. I'll never forget the vicious KO he landed on Gene Fullmer in the only match of his I have seen.
I can also make argument for Muhammad Ali. Though high in the ranks of ring accomplishment and ability, Ali transcended and still transcends the sport of boxing. Most other boxer's greatness is defined by the sport; Ali became greater than the sport.
I can also make argument for Muhammad Ali. Though high in the ranks of ring accomplishment and ability, Ali transcended and still transcends the sport of boxing. Most other boxer's greatness is defined by the sport; Ali became greater than the sport.
Ali without a doubt....
jokerswild said:
And I pick Marciano over Ali. DId you ever see him fight? Go to the website. Even Ebony magazine calls him the most ferocious man to ever put on a pair of gloves. Hard to argue with his KO percentage and undefeated record. And he beat all the greats. Knocked them out. You will say they were past their prime. So what? He did what he was suppose to do then.
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The Shadow said:
that means he lost his title 3 times....
You have your opinion I have mine, don't think he could have KO Ali in his prime, rember the Foreman Ali fight, Foreman beat the shit out of Ali then got his ass handed to him........biteme said:
Tyson in his prime.
I have tons of respect for Jack Johnson and Ali, but I have to give it to guys who are more conventional (Pernell not as much). Johnson was so damn tough and Ali so quick, with great reflexes that they overcame the fact that their styles defied and almost ignored boxing principles.
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gotta go with my boy Roy Jones Jr.....Ya'll must of forgot!!
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Marciano, hands down, the man never lost, ever. I believe he was 49-0. When no one can beat you ever that makes you the best. Ali lost 2-3 times, thats not perfection. As for tyson the fucking guy only beat has beens, and never will be's. He struggled with Holyfield and couldn't beat Lewis. He may have had the most devasting punch since Foreman but if you can't beat credible opponents it doesn't mean shit.
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little chris said:
Marciano caught Joe Louis after he came out of retirement. Marciano was good but everyone knows his record is overrated.
Haha, Ali lost to Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, Leon Spinks and Larry Holmes.
He was quite old and Parkinson's was already affecting him in the Holmes and Spinks fights.
As for the others now... He lost to Ken Norton. His jaw was in pieces after the 4th round and fought untill the 11th! I wouldn't really consider it a loss, just an unlucky punch.
He then did get cleaned up by Frazier and came back to beat him twice after that. He was older than Frazier too. Keep in mind the three best years of a fighters life were taken away from Ali. He came back but it was when he lost his only 2 fights when he was in good shape. All of the others late in his career were for show and no one thought he would win. He just never knew when to leave the ring unlik Marciano.
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Marciano was a great fighter slow flat footed he would just put his head on your chest and pound away he admitted most fighters he fought had better skills than him so he just out trained them. As the best pound 4 pound he is not even in the top 10. If you ask 100 boxing writers who is the best pound 4 pound 90 of them would say Sugar Ray Robinson Ali always said Sugar Ray was the best and he copied his style from him. The reason there is a pound 4 pound is because of him.
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Tyson wasn't the best, I'll admit that right away. I do however think he was the best to look at, in his days. He was very agressive and had a great punch, I loved watching his fights. Tyson was like a pitbull, always attacking. No dancing around people, just hitting them. I like close range fights, Tyson always gets in close.
He should have retired a long time ago. Now I'm stuck with the images of Tyson being KO'd
He should have retired a long time ago. Now I'm stuck with the images of Tyson being KO'd
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RDJ said:
Tyson had to get in close he was one of the shortest heavyweights at the time. only 5'11"
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little chris said:
True. I have the same problem in my boxing school. I'm short. So if cannot hit them since I'm out of reach, but they can hit me. If I come closer I can hit them, but that makes me vulnerable because they're all better than me (I'm a beginner). So I got quite a few punches in the face, mostly left hooks when I got too close. But my defence improves and I also gave a few jab/directs. Oh well, my lip is swollen and my left eye got a little smaller but atleast there's progress.
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RDJ said:Tyson wasn't the best, I'll admit that right away. I do however think he was the best to look at, in his days. He was very agressive and had a great punch, I loved watching his fights. Tyson was like a pitbull, always attacking. No dancing around people, just hitting them. I like close range fights, Tyson always gets in close.
He should have retired a long time ago. Now I'm stuck with the images of Tyson being KO'd
Tyson was just a shorter stupid version of George Foreman.
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roy jones jr., ali, sugar ray robinson, sugar ray leonard, all absolute phenoms who must all be respected for their accomplishments and talent. i am biased to roy jones cause i followed him as a middleweight and saw him dominate hopkins with a broken right hand, toney, and everyother undefeated fighter. the only fighter to go a round without being hit. the only fighter to throw only one punch in a 2 minute period and k.o his opponent without being touched the whole time. rjj hands down
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My favorite old school fighter was Jack Dempsy the guy was a true warrior.
As far as "Best" boxer ever.I dont know.Id say Roberto Duran or Dempsy.
As far as "Best" boxer ever.I dont know.Id say Roberto Duran or Dempsy.
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marciano may have been undefeated but he would get wooped by tyson, ali, he would i think take out lennox simply cause lewis has a glass jaw, but hell even holyfield would wax that ass, its evolution the guy was slow, ray robinson was ahead of his time with those skills and talent. i think a middleweight fight between ray robinson and roy jones would be pound for pound best fight. hagler was awesome, but i watched a smaller ray leonard win, yes win the fight against him, roy jones or robinson would have given leonard brain damage for stepping up to that weight. oh and there is a new kid on the block, floyd mayweather who is as talented as they come
I used to box, and I'm a short bastard. When you learn to use head movement while closing the distance between yourself and your opponent, you may have a lot more success. Many taller fighters do not bend at the waist well, so their height advantage works only when you are far enough away from them. Whatever drills you do for stepping toward an opponent, practice those like your life depended on it. You need to be able to move faster forward than he can move backward or sideways.RDJ said:
Also, I can slip my head out of the way of a fighter with longer arms easier, you get a fraction of a second more time to react.
I'm not saying shorter is better, if two guys are EVENLY skilled, and one is taller, that's an advantage. But if you develop your game enough, you can void that height out, and use it to YOUR advantage.
Not to hijack the thread, I'm adding Floyd Mayweather in. Good call Bruce.
