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DeltreeFitness said:
LOL. Great point. This board is full of self-righteous hypocrits.

Yep should I believe people who have had the withdrawl from ghb or somone who takes a tiny amount daily.


Like I said you have no experience with ghb. I have taken way more ghb over the years than you have. I am not proud of it.

The only way you could understand is if you became addicted to the high. You obviously haven't and I am glad you haven't. I just hope you never get addcited like myself and so many other people I have known over the years. I really do hope you keep strong. I am not trying to preach to you at all. I am just upset that people don't know how bad ghb can be. It is more dangerous than you know. I have seen it first hand. I am not part of any organized group to get people away from it. I am just telling you it isn't as good as you think. Most people who would take ghb are not going to do it at a so called responsible dose. The high it produces is just too good.

If you don't believe me your not going to believe anyone then. Ive been there done that seen that. Its illegal for a reason and it is not for the date rape reason alone.
 
chipvideo said:
somone who takes a tiny amount daily.


Like I said you have no experience with ghb. I have taken way more ghb over the years than you have.

You don't know how much I take a day! I have no experience with it? I have been using it for over 3 years. You don't even know what I use it for!

What I consider a tiny amount is what is in our bodies already. I, and many others, can easily exceed 20 grams in a day with no negative effects. I also go days without it. There is no rebound effect. I can and have stopped "cold-turkey" many times. There is no withdrawl. GHB is not physically addicting. This is not a case of denile lol. It's fact.

Read the FDA INDs - It is used to treat withdrawl from drugs! (including alcohol) All you have is your hear-say and propaganda.
 
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DeltreeFitness said:
1,4-B may convert to GHB in the body but you are not ingesting pure GHB. The use of potentially dangerous, unpure precursors is a direct effect of prohibition.

And about trusting the NEJM all I can say is that they are not immune to influence. This is a crisis manufactured by the FDA, aided and abetted by the DEA, compounded by local police, inflamed by the media, and perpetuated by ignorance. We do not need to have “GHB madness” become a permanent part of our culture as law. We do not need to disenfranchise patients, impair the practice of medicine, and drive citizens to obtain their food supplements in the drug underground.


WOW!
Its obvious that you LOVE the shit and no one here is gonna "PROVE" to you anything (look at all the smokers who think they are healthy because they don't get sick all that often).

Man thats just sad! GHB may not kill you but your stupidity stands a good chance of doing you in! If I had to guess I would say that what ever your underlying reason for loving this shit is the problem IMHO. Just like Guns don't kill people, People do. I would say you have a problem and self medicating is a symptom of it.

Just my 2 cents worth.
 
C-Russ said:
Its obvious that you LOVE the shit and no one here is gonna "PROVE" to you anything (look at all the smokers who think they are healthy because they don't get sick all that often).

Man thats just sad! GHB may not kill you but your stupidity stands a good chance of doing you in! If I had to guess I would say that what ever your underlying reason for loving this shit is the problem IMHO. Just like Guns don't kill people, People do. I would say you have a problem and self medicating is a symptom of it.


Your opinion is not humble. It is ignorant. There is no delusion to my belief that GHB has many benefical aspects. I have been healther since GHB use. I have the blood work and other medical records to prove it. It also has other non-medical positive effects to my life. I am in fact medicating but not self-medicating. I have a legitimate doctor's prescription for it.
 
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DENAIL AINT JUST A RIVER IN EGYPT MAN. You sound like you are trying to convince yourself that its actually good for you. You may be healthier but I KNOW its not a direct result of GHB, that shit is toxic for sure. You probably are just more aware of it and taking better care of yourself. If you think that taking GHB is gonna help make you healthy or healthier than your normal, you need some help fast man.

Just cuz you have a perscription doesn't mean you aren't self medicating (espeically if you are doing it for recreational purposes). Tell that to 1/2 the people in rehab, like any Osborne or Rush Limbaugh.
 
C-Russ said:
DENAIL AINT JUST A RIVER IN EGYPT MAN. You sound like you are trying to convince yourself that its actually good for you. You may be healthier but I KNOW its not a direct result of GHB, that shit is toxic for sure. You probably are just more aware of it and taking better care of yourself. If you think that taking GHB is gonna help make you healthy or healthier than your normal, you need some help fast man.

Just cuz you have a perscription doesn't mean you aren't self medicating (espeically if you are doing it for recreational purposes). Tell that to 1/2 the people in rehab, like any Osborne or Rush Limbaugh.

I am not using it for recreational purposes you idiot.

For the thirty years prior to 1990, the scientific papers on GHB were unanimous in reporting numerous beneficial physiological effects and the absence of long-term negative effects. In 1964, Laborit listed “very low toxicity” as one of the “principle elements” of the compound’s pharmacology. In a 1969 report on GHB’s anesthetic uses, Vickers referred to GHB as “a truly nontoxic hypnotic” and repeatedly emphasized its “lack of toxicity.” Vickers cited evidence that GHB demonstrates “no toxic effects on the liver and kidney.” In 1972, Laborit described the body’s metabolism of GHB and stressed “the absence of any need of detoxification by the organism.”

As recently as 1989, this scientific consensus on GHB’s benign nature remained unchanged. Gallimberti’s study from that year on its uses in treating alcohol withdrawal in humans notes that “GHB’s action...seems to be without serious side effects.” His almost off-hand reference to the “safety of GHB” shows how well-established this property of the nutrient had become.

Then, on November 8th, 1990, the FDA banned the over-the-counter sale of GHB in the United States. In 1991, two scientists from the California Department of Health Services wrote a report on ten “poisonings” associated with GHB. The authors, Chin and Kreutzer, warned of GHB’s “tremendous potential for abuse.” They observed that “all interviewed patients reported a pleasurable sensation or a ‘high.’ Several of them...continued taking [GHB] because it made them ‘feel good’.” Apparently, the authors construed feeling good in and of itself as a potential threat to public health. Despite such dire language, the report acknowledged that “there are no documented reports of long-term [detrimental] effects. Nor is there any evidence for physiologic addiction.”

Of the ten “poisonings” reported, four involved “unknown doses,” four featured the “coingestion” of other drugs (usually alcohol), one involved unmedicated epilepsy, and another a history of grand mal seizures. Since alcohol and other central nervous system (CNS) depressants are not recommended with GHB, and because GHB is contraindicated for epileptics, such cases are not unexpected.

Although the specific clinical details of these ten cases are too lengthy to go into here, one point needs addressing — the use of the terms “coma” and “seizures” in descriptions of these cases. At a sufficiently high dose, GHB can cause clonus, a rapid, rhythmic contraction and relaxation of muscles which would be better described as muscle spasm or uncontrollable twitching than a seizure. GHB can also cause intense drowsiness, abrupt sedation, and deep sleep which is probably better described as unarrousability or deep sedation than coma. Vickers [1969] described it as a “nontoxic coma,” which blunts some of the inflammatory connotations of the term coma.

Regardless of their alarmist tone, the authors confirm that “there have not been any reported deaths” and that “if product use is discontinued, full recovery with no long-term side effects is universal.” They concluded that “the prognosis for people who experience GHB poisoning is quite good.”

The degree to which the pleasant state of GHB euphoria may be psychologically addicting may not be fully appreciated. Anybody with known attraction or addiction to tranquilizers or alcohol should pay special heed to this possibility. In the few cases of GHB abuse that we have investigated, there were pre-existing use/abuse patterns with alcohol and/or tranquilizers. Ironically, it was GHB’s lack of toxicity that led to increased frequency of use (numerous times per day) that characterized what can only be called classic cases of psychological addiction. Without the dehydration and CNS irritation of alcohol, or the side effects of tranquilizers, there was no incentive to moderate or curtail GHB use. Fortunately, few people seem to have such overwhelming attraction to the GHB state. Even Chin and Kreutzer minimize GHB’s abuse potential by stating, “No investigator [has] reported any long-term adverse effects, addictive or dependent qualities associated with discontinued usage of the drug.”
 
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Dude, you reguritated that crap straight off the web and pawned it off as your won. I just did a search on google for
"For the thirty years prior to 1990, the scientific papers on GHB"
and came up with over 33 websites that have that same exact word for word bullshit from an unkown author.

Reminds me of all the stupid emails I get from first time internet users about "forward this "sky is falling email" to everyone you know". Dude you must be young and still think you are invincible and have all the answers. When you grow up, you'll know shit from shinola! Cuz if you are older you should know better.
 
C-Russ said:
Dude, you reguritated that crap straight off the web and pawned it off as your won. I just did a search on google for
"For the thirty years prior to 1990, the scientific papers on GHB"
and came up with over 33 websites that have that same exact word for word bullshit from an unkown author.

Reminds me of all the stupid emails I get from first time internet users about "forward this "sky is falling email" to everyone you know". Dude you must be young and still think you are invincible and have all the answers. When you grow up, you'll know shit from shinola! Cuz if you are older you should know better.

It is a quote, with references! The autors are Dr. Ward Dean MD and Steven Wm. Fowkes. I didn't pawn it off as my own. Anyone who reads the posts eariler in this thread would know that I'm just re-posting for those (like yourself) who don't go back to read what was said earlier.

You can go back to discussion of injecting cabinets full of veterinary products from on-line pharmacy prescriptions now. :verygood:
 
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DeltreeFitness said:
Funny how this horrible drug has been proposed by the FDA itself safe for:

1) improving sleep patterns and maintaining daytime alertness in narcolepsy,
and insomnia
2) reducing schizophrenic symptoms,
3) stabilizing Parkinson’s disease,
4) reducing nocturnal myoclonus (painful leg cramps at night),
5) improving memory problems,
6) stimulating natural growth hormone release,
7) decreasing pain and improving sleep in fibromyalgia,
8) relieving symptoms in Huntington’s chorea,
9) regulating muscle tone in dystonia musculorum deformans,
10) controling tardive dyskinesia symptoms,
11) decreasing drug withdrawal symptoms
12) decreasing hyperactivity and learning disabilities in children,
13) inducing sedation and tranquilization,
14) relieving anxiety [in fact, it has been recommended as the anti-anxietyagent of choice for potentially suicidal patients],
15) lowering cholesterol.

All with something proven safer than tylenol. I've posted this already but you seem to like to ignore facts.

Are we forgetting one very important question. If GBL/GHB is so God damn safe why is it ILLEGAL and considered a schedule 3 drug(in my state at least) same as coke?
 
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