Best alternative to ALCOHOL when 'ON'???

[ohashi]

You have got to be kidding me. I have to show you proof. That is the lamest I have ever read. How in the heck could I prove to you what I have seen. That is impossible.

I tell you one thing. GHB is the one thing I would never recomend to any of my family or friends.

I know several people who used to post on elite fitness over 8 years ago. I bet your were not even around here then. This message board is a different format than it was in the mid to late 90's.

I personally have gotten icq messages from over 5 people all trying to get off the stuff in the late 90's. IF you ever seen anyone passed out on g it is the scariest thing you have ever seen. A bowl of jello is the same comparison. It can make you stop breathing.

Go ahead and convince others to take the crap. I hope you rot in hell for telling them too.

So you're a paranoid drug-propaganda believer with no factual research done on the subject matter and no way to back up anything that you are saying.

Ok.

 

[chipvideo]

1. There are hospital records of people who tried to commit suicide by ingesting a 190ml bottle of pure GHB (about 90g). Their attemps were unsuccessful. They awake safely a couple hours later with a headache.

Where people have died at the emergency room from GHB "over-dose" is because they didn't know what to do and actully mistakenly killed them. Of course their going to blame GHB. Fortunately now more hospitals know if someone is brought in who they know have "passed-out" (fell asleep) from taking GHB to not do anything.

2. There is no proof. But there is proof that is not physically addictive.

3. That is plain bullshit.

OH yeah. Mine fucking did. OK>

 

[chipvideo]

So you're a paranoid drug-propaganda believer with no factual research done on the subject matter and no way to back up anything that you are saying.

Ok.

All I can say is your the most ignorant moron I have ever seen on a message board.

Would you tell your closest family members it is safe to use. Would you tell all your friends to use it. Would you tell your children to use it.

If you say yes to any of the above then your a complete moron.

You sound like the ones who are angry it was outlawed.

I am just trying to tell you the experience I have had and many others. I hope that I have convinced at least 1 person on here to not consider using it. That is at least one person who might have turned out like many who take the stuff.

GHB was the best high I ever experienced. That is why I got addicted to it. It was like a perfect high like no other. Maybe you have never felt that way on ghb, but I know many who did. If you take it too long and take lots everyday all day long like me and many others and you run out of it, you could have some serious problems. Your body produces dopamine and it raises your BP so high it is scary. The dopamine rush is what you get when you come off of ghb. IT can kill you.

I bet within 5 years somone else on here will have problems with the substance and you will be on here saying it is good for you and that the ghb is not the problem.

 

[ohashi]

All I can say is your the most ignorant moron I have ever seen on a message board.

You completely owned me with your prove and intelligent arguments.

Oh, wait. You didn't.

 

[deltreefitness]

OH yeah. Mine fucking did. OK>

Funny how this horrible drug has been proposed by the FDA itself safe for:

1) improving sleep patterns and maintaining daytime alertness in narcolepsy,
and insomnia
2) reducing schizophrenic symptoms,
3) stabilizing Parkinson’s disease,
4) reducing nocturnal myoclonus (painful leg cramps at night),
5) improving memory problems,
6) stimulating natural growth hormone release,
7) decreasing pain and improving sleep in fibromyalgia,
8) relieving symptoms in Huntington’s chorea,
9) regulating muscle tone in dystonia musculorum deformans,
10) controling tardive dyskinesia symptoms,
11) decreasing drug withdrawal symptoms
12) decreasing hyperactivity and learning disabilities in children,
13) inducing sedation and tranquilization,
14) relieving anxiety and depression [in fact, it has been recommended as the anti-anxietyagent of choice for potentially suicidal patients],
15) lowering cholesterol.

All with something proven safer than tylenol. I've posted this already but you seem to like to ignore facts.

 

[C-Russ]

Straight from the Horses mouth, if you can't trust the New England Journal Of Medicine, you can't trust anything.

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/344/2/87

It doesn't say much other than that 1,4-B alone can be toxic and kill. Doesn't mean it will, doesn't mean it wont, just that it can and does.

Adverse Events, Including Death, Associated with the Use of 1,4-Butanediol
ABSTRACT

Background 1,4-Butanediol is an industrial solvent that, when ingested, is converted to {gamma}-hydroxybutyrate, a drug of abuse with depressant effects, primarily on the central nervous system. After reports of toxic effects of {gamma}-hydroxybutyrate and its resultant regulation by the federal government, 1,4-butanediol and {gamma}-butyrolactone, another precursor of {gamma}-hydroxybutyrate and an industrial solvent, began to be marketed as dietary supplements. We investigated reports of toxic effects due to the ingestion of 1,4-butanediol and reviewed the related health risks.

Methods From June 1999 through December 1999, we identified cases of toxic effects of 1,4-butanediol involving patients who presented to our emergency departments with a clinical syndrome suggesting toxic effects of {gamma}-hydroxybutyrate and a history of ingesting 1,4-butanediol and patients identified through public health officials and family members. We used gas chromatography–mass spectrometry to measure 1,4-butanediol or its metabolite, {gamma}-hydroxybutyrate, in urine, serum, or blood.

Results We identified nine episodes of toxic effects in eight patients who had ingested 1,4-butanediol recreationally, to enhance bodybuilding, or to treat depression or insomnia. One patient presented twice with toxic effects and had withdrawal symptoms after her second presentation. Clinical findings and adverse events included vomiting, urinary and fecal incontinence, agitation, combativeness, a labile level of consciousness, respiratory depression, and death. No additional intoxicants were identified in six patients, including the two who died. The doses of 1,4-butanediol ingested ranged from 5.4 to 20 g in the patients who died and ranged from 1 to 14 g in the nonfatal cases. In some cases there was evidence of addiction and withdrawal.

Conclusions The health risks of 1,4-butanediol are similar to those of its counterparts, {gamma}-hydroxybutyrate and {gamma}-butyrolactone. These include acute toxic effects, which may be fatal, and addiction and withdrawal.

 

[deltreefitness]

Would you tell your closest family members it is safe to use. Would you tell all your friends to use it. Would you tell your children to use it.

If I felt they could benefit from it and if it was pharmacuetical grade yes. Hell, even for "recreational use". I would much rather have my children or family use GHB than drink alcohol. Just like "drinking responsibly" people need to be educated about substances they choose to put in their bodies. Unfortunately because of the US's fucked up drug policy does nothing to help that.

 

[juve]

I would bet you that % wise ghb has ruined more peoples life than alcohol. I bet maybe 1% of people who have tried alcohol has ruined their lifes.

I would rather my kids smoke pot than take ghb.

Oh, you insolent fool - your argument is so insispid that your adversaries are only found to be reiterating the same thing over which bears a certain implication upon the level of your intelligence. For, if you BET - you better come up with unsurmountable proof to sustain your yapping (bet). 'Kids' are a weak appeal to values on a board where illicit drug use is the topic of the day, every day
Your kind of ignorance only perpetuates these kinds of stereotypes of drug USE which necessarily alludes to ABUSE and moral erosion - with most educated people this (abuse) is not the case.

 

[deltreefitness]

Straight from the Horses mouth, if you can't trust the New England Journal Of Medicine, you can't trust anything.

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/344/2/87

It doesn't say much other than that 1,4-B alone can be toxic and kill. Doesn't mean it will, doesn't mean it wont, just that it can and does.

1,4-B may convert to GHB in the body but you are not ingesting pure GHB. The use of potentially dangerous, unpure precursors is a direct effect of prohibition.

And about trusting the NEJM all I can say is that they are not immune to influence. This is a crisis manufactured by the FDA, aided and abetted by the DEA, compounded by local police, inflamed by the media, and perpetuated by ignorance. We do not need to have “GHB madness” become a permanent part of our culture as law. We do not need to disenfranchise patients, impair the practice of medicine, and drive citizens to obtain their food supplements in the drug underground.

 

[deltreefitness]

Oh, you insolent fool - your argument is so insispid that your adversaries are only found to be reiterating the same thing over which bears a certain implication upon the level of your intelligence. For, if you BET - you better come up with unsurmountable proof to sustain your yapping (bet). 'Kids' are a weak appeal to values on a board where illicit drug use is the topic of the day, every day
Your kind of ignorance only perpetuates these kinds of stereotypes of drug USE which necessarily alludes to ABUSE and moral erosion - with most educated people this (abuse) is not the case.

LOL. Great point. This board is full of self-righteous hypocrits.