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Best AI/Anti E & dosages

Dont get me wrong, im not saying he shouldnt use an AI, just saying how much will depend on his E levels. If his natty E levels are low he is on 300mg/wk test he may want to use .5mg 3x a week. If his E levels are high he may want to go 1mg 3x a week. Too low E can be detrimental, just like too much can be. We have told the OP in other threads to get some blood work done.
 
well i sure do love an interesting debate.
hey zyg what's ur opinion about what olderguy said about E2 being a test receptor antagonist and cause downregulation, can a chronic high E2 make high test unuseful, to what extent is that true.
i appreciate if can u post some links involving research studies about this issue.
 
well i sure do love an interesting debate.
hey zyg what's ur opinion about what olderguy said about E2 being a test receptor antagonist and cause downregulation, can a chronic high E2 make high test unuseful, to what extent is that true.
i appreciate if can u post some links involving research studies about this issue.

His comments where a cut and paste from a t-nation thread, one that, like many threads jumps to a lot of conclusions. However, correlation does not equal causation. Its been a while since I did some serious digging and reading on receptors but from what I recall test and estradiol use completely different receptors so unless someone can show more than some T-nation forum ramblings I dont buy it at all.

Lets look at things logically for a second, even IF Estradiol competed for the androgen receptor, for men, typical E lab range is like 7 to 42 where as serum test is 300-900 (some labs as high as 1100).

We are talking about trt doses in the 300mg/wk range which has shown to put serum T around 1300. Most folks who have E thats on the high end of normal usually its due to high bodyfat. Which seems to follow suite here with the OP at 28%.

Now, lets say the OP's T is on the low end at 300 and his E is at the high end. say 40.

Now the op starts 300mg/wk test and his E gets up to say 75 while his T goes up to 1300, can anyone honestly say that say an extra 35pts of E is going to nullify 600 points of T? I seriously doubt it. Could it have some negative impact? Sure but I think the original author of the post that was copied was reaching at straws and overstating the negative effects of E.

Is E of 75 high? Sure, probably a bit higher than you would want it but it certainly isnt going to make your 300mg/wk test worthless.

check out this abstract when you have a second.

http://www.eje-online.org/cgi/content/abstract/162/4/737

hard to draw any real conclusions since you cant read the full study but it certainly shows that one cant simply say E is bad.
 
Hi all, sorry for being AWOL....

It is my understanding that males do need some E circulating, that's why full suppression is never a good idea? I have decided to add Nolvadex for 30 days to see what the effects will be. Since it acts fast, I should notice the difference pretty quickly, if not satisfied then AI will be the next step.

What works for one may not necessarily work for another, but, thanks for the guidelines so far. Bloods will be done within this month of Jan

Cheers
H
 
Why not try formastanzol? I'm no expert on trt but from what ive read it may be perfect. Plus you can order it online and have it to your house in a few days, pretty cheap too.
 
Hi all, sorry for being AWOL....

It is my understanding that males do need some E circulating, that's why full suppression is never a good idea? I have decided to add Nolvadex for 30 days to see what the effects will be. Since it acts fast, I should notice the difference pretty quickly, if not satisfied then AI will be the next step.

What works for one may not necessarily work for another, but, thanks for the guidelines so far. Bloods will be done within this month of Jan

Cheers
H

Correct, we do need some E. Ideally you should know where your E is pre trt and after being on trt for say 10 weeks and take anastrzole/letrozole accordingly.

Nolve (or clomid) in my book are not anti-e's they are just E blockers. Great to have on hand in case of an emergency but they dont actually prevent excessive E from being created.
 
hannes, I would go with Arimidex/Anastrozole if needed but as mentioned above it would be better to get a blood test before hand. Here is my experience, I was doing 1 shot of Test Cyp 200mg/ml per week with 1 mg of Anaztrozole. I just got my blood test and my E was at 56 which is way higher than I would like it to be. So now I up the dose to 2.5mg of anastrozole per week and will test again in 60 days. Based on the results of the next blood test I will decide to either stay where I am at or go with something else. I would not want to use Letro as we do need some E in our bodies. Again, blood test and adjust based on results.
 
His comments where a cut and paste from a t-nation thread, one that, like many threads jumps to a lot of conclusions. However, correlation does not equal causation. Its been a while since I did some serious digging and reading on receptors but from what I recall test and estradiol use completely different receptors so unless someone can show more than some T-nation forum ramblings I dont buy it at all.

Lets look at things logically for a second, even IF Estradiol competed for the androgen receptor, for men, typical E lab range is like 7 to 42 where as serum test is 300-900 (some labs as high as 1100).

We are talking about trt doses in the 300mg/wk range which has shown to put serum T around 1300. Most folks who have E thats on the high end of normal usually its due to high bodyfat. Which seems to follow suite here with the OP at 28%.

Now, lets say the OP's T is on the low end at 300 and his E is at the high end. say 40.

Now the op starts 300mg/wk test and his E gets up to say 75 while his T goes up to 1300, can anyone honestly say that say an extra 35pts of E is going to nullify 600 points of T? I seriously doubt it. Could it have some negative impact? Sure but I think the original author of the post that was copied was reaching at straws and overstating the negative effects of E.

Is E of 75 high? Sure, probably a bit higher than you would want it but it certainly isnt going to make your 300mg/wk test worthless.

check out this abstract when you have a second.

Serum estradiol is associated with lean mass in elderly Swedish men -- Vandenput et al. 162 (4): 737 -- European Journal of Endocrinology

hard to draw any real conclusions since you cant read the full study but it certainly shows that one cant simply say E is bad.

thx Zyg , like usual crystal clear
 
Hi All, have done some research regarding what AI's are available in my neck of the woods, and their respective dosages...

Wow, the stuff here is pretty potent and either in liquid or capsule form, so dosing at the levels recommended above becomes an issue.

Eg: Anastrozole @2mg/ml ‐15ml

Or

Exemestane (Aromasin) ‐20mg ‐30 Caps

I may be able to dose the liquid correctly, but not sure...

Nobody has mentioned what the effects of the Nolvadex would be, or why it is second choice to an AI? Any remarks on that?​
 
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