Bench Press

[Chambewy20]

Well said dude.

Just for the record, I am a pure powerlifter, I ain't that great, I train in a single ply closed back shirt and my numbers ain't all that impressive.

I do know as acquaintances some big name lifters, everyone I've ever met are top notch guys, treated me the same as anyone else, didn't matter if you could barely eek out 300 or 800, they helped me immensely and I appreciate that.

I get defensive when folks trivially think shirts or suits make your raw max double, negating the fact these guys have done this for years, suffered many injuries and set backs yet still compete for little or no reward. These competitors are blue and white collar folks like you or I, none of these guys make a living from powerlifting.

 

[Powerlifting57]

yes i do compete, i have a karins dd in my closet ( hated every minute of using it)

i beleive it is lieing not a true feat of strength. my old coach was 308 class benched 825 shirted and 450-500 raw yes he was getting 300 lbs out of his shirt due to the fact that he masterd it they actually called him the shirt master. BUt put us raw lb for lb i was stronger than him. Im not trying to give myself the big head its just. I cant stand peopel who use shirts. They think they are bad because they can do 500 in a shirt. Bu only do 350-400 raw not to impressive for 200 lbs imo.


not trying to start an argument just voicing my opinion that there should be raw classes at meets.

 

[Tiervexx]

LOL at 290 carryover..Id kill for 290 lb carryover

Maybe if you ask Gene, or powerlifting57's coach real nicely they'll tell you how

 

[Powerlifting57]

lmao i am no longer lifting with them. Due to the fact that everyone of them was going shirted and training shirted and i was the only one raw so i couldnt lift with them.

 

[jcp2]

Big time powerlifting is equipped lifting. End of story. It is what it is. And the world record raw bench is not 744 nor has it ever been. My raw bench has gone down the last 8 months as my shirted bench goes up. You can not take someones untrained raw bench, and their trained shirted bench and get your carryover. I could probably put 50 lbs on my raw bench by training it for 6 weeks. I would be fine with benching 700 in a shirt and not be able to hit 400 raw. When i get bonus points on my total for raw lifting i will worry about it. Everyone is so worried about everyone else, but the funniest part is the people making the most noise don't even compete, it isn't thier sport, i would guarantee they don't compete in anything, but they have something to say. To the guy above who likes to lift raw, good for you, compete raw, all the power to you. NO POWERLIFTER HAS EVER TRIED TO COMPARE THEIR EQUIPPED LIFTS TO RAW GYM LIFTERS, EVER. I think this comes down to an ego thing for the gym lifter who feels slighted becuase his big 385 juiced up bench looks puny to a powerlifters shirted 530 bench. But in all reality i have rarely if ever seen a gym lift that would pass meet conditions anyway. As for the records, who cares. Everyone knows that ED COAN was the best ever, even though travis mash broke his total record. I have never even heard the thought entertained that Travis is a better lifter. Another thing is i don't see any competive lifters looking for acceptance from the steroid message board community, they look for acceptance and recognition from their own community. Equipment is here to stay, sorry. But since you don't compete Tieravexx or whatever your name is, it really doesn't matter, nor affect you. You can go back to you your fitness club and pump out your bench presses and talk about how you could put up huge numbers as well, but you wouldn't cheapen yourself as to put the equipment on.

 

[wnt2bBeast]

yes i do compete, i have a karins dd in my closet ( hated every minute of using it)

i beleive it is lieing not a true feat of strength. my old coach was 308 class benched 825 shirted and 450-500 raw yes he was getting 300 lbs out of his shirt due to the fact that he masterd it they actually called him the shirt master. BUt put us raw lb for lb i was stronger than him. Im not trying to give myself the big head its just. I cant stand peopel who use shirts. They think they are bad because they can do 500 in a shirt. Bu only do 350-400 raw not to impressive for 200 lbs imo.


not trying to start an argument just voicing my opinion that there should be raw classes at meets.

LOL and what was ur shirted bench since oyu are stronger than your coach???

never once have i ever compared my shirt bench to anyones RAW bench just like JCP stated..ALso my raw bench has gone down as well because of all the upper end work i do i jsut cant handle benching heavy raw on a second day especially without special vitamins..

you cant stand shirted benchers? sounds to me like theres something lurking beneath the surface there..perhaps you didt get as much out of it as you thought? why? maybe it wa a little harder than you thought? something you actually have to work for..people do not put a shirt on and get 300 out of it..i am not saying its impossible to get 200 or more out of a shirt but it takes practice as well as strength..its a different kind of strength and having been in a shirt i figured you would realize that..maybe you just thought the shirt would press the weight for you???

 

[jcp2]

One thing i would like to add, i mentioned Travis Mash above, he is one of the top 5 guys today, but Ed is on another planet imo when you talk about lifters. I did not want to sound like i am slighting Travis Mash.

 

[Powerlifting57]

LOL and what was ur shirted bench since oyu are stronger than your coach???

never once have i ever compared my shirt bench to anyones RAW bench just like JCP stated..ALso my raw bench has gone down as well because of all the upper end work i do i jsut cant handle benching heavy raw on a second day especially without special vitamins..

you cant stand shirted benchers? sounds to me like theres something lurking beneath the surface there..perhaps you didt get as much out of it as you thought? why? maybe it wa a little harder than you thought? something you actually have to work for..people do not put a shirt on and get 300 out of it..i am not saying its impossible to get 200 or more out of a shirt but it takes practice as well as strength..its a different kind of strength and having been in a shirt i figured you would realize that..maybe you just thought the shirt would press the weight for you???

no i was doing 380 at the time and put up 500 the second week having the shirt. It hurt my wrists so bad that it was impossiable to use ( i fractured boith my growth plates playing football).

also im not bashing shirt benchers i have respect for them as long as its above 500 lbs. if you have to use a shirt to get 400 or below thast just plain retarted i beleive once you have hit your natural strength it is time for one. I have not hit my natural strength. So i hung it up.

none of my lifts are sloppy i train as if i was competing making sure i use proper from. butt dosent come off the bench, legs dont move, bar moves up in sync.

 

[jcp2]

no i was doing 380 at the time and put up 500 the second week having the shirt. It hurt my wrists so bad that it was impossiable to use ( i fractured boith my growth plates playing football).

also im not bashing shirt benchers i have respect for them as long as its above 500 lbs. if you have to use a shirt to get 400 or below thast just plain retarted i beleive once you have hit your natural strength it is time for one. I have not hit my natural strength. So i hung it up.

none of my lifts are sloppy i train as if i was competing making sure i use proper from. butt dosent come off the bench, legs dont move, bar moves up in sync.

I do agree with you, you should have a very good level of natural strenght before you start putting the gear on. I was in the area of a 420 bencher when i put the shirt on, not great, not bad. But i think you can lift raw until you can bench in the 300-400 range depending on your weight age, etc. Powerlifting is a sport, that is the thing people dont get, especially gym lifters.

 

[cwpick]

So with that in mind what is a level of good natural strength? I am a gym lifter, never wore a shirt or competed. I have always wanted to compete but never persued it. Now at 36 feel I may have missed out. I am a 250lb natural lifter with a "gym lift" of 475 on the bench, no pause, touch and go. Is this a good level of natural strength to even consider competing?