Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Hey bros, I have lifted weight most of my life so that I could be big and strong and nobody could mess with me. Do you guys feel (as martial artists) that you could even beat up someone who has 25 pounds of muscle on you (street fight). And how long do you have to train to be able to do something like this? I was considering takeing boxing or one of the arts up so I have a little more then just muscle. But not sure because how many people out there are trained to be able to beat some big strong ass dudes.
Being BIG or being skilled???
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absolutely.. No doubt... My best friend is just a naturally tough kid, he looks like a doughboy but he has kicked the arse of many a freak in his day... He looks forward to it.... his favorite line is "how does it feel to have wasted a lifetime in the gym" after he is standing over some dude with 21 inch guns who is bleeding all over and missing teeth... He is a kickboxer but was a brawler before training... I outweight my sifu by 50 pounds and he would knock me out in less than a minute...
shamrock11
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It all depends on what the bigger guy knows. My instructor is 6'0 260 pounds and has a 51 inch chest he is freaking huge. He can put it on anybody in a minute. I fight him all the time and it's great. If the bigger guy has some training you'll have a very hard time.
BOOEY
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tommboy said:
Not necessarily. Imagine a fight in your head. When the big goes and tries to put all his weight on the smaller guy, you think the smaller guy is just going to let him? This is where fighting ability comes into play. If the smaller guy is a trained fighter, then he'll be able to take care of someone charging him. Now, as mentioned above, if the bigger guy is also a skilled fighter, well that's a different story altogether.
a good striker regardless of weight should be able to control the distance or just KO or cause enough damage/pain to someone before getting hurt (boxers/Thai/TMA)
a grappler who is skilled but smaller would probably be very happy when the big guy tries to close the distance. most big guys will make the mistake of charging/closing the distance against someone small without protecting themselves properly.
in grappling tournaments it is not uncommon for someone who is outweighed by 20-30-40 lbs to beat a SKILLED/TRAINED fighter if he has the right skill/strategy.
thats why i kinda laf at guys in the gym who lift to be tough and fight.. it really doesnt translate over to fighting at all IMO
if you want to learn to defend yourself go find a good teach and get on the mat.
a grappler who is skilled but smaller would probably be very happy when the big guy tries to close the distance. most big guys will make the mistake of charging/closing the distance against someone small without protecting themselves properly.
in grappling tournaments it is not uncommon for someone who is outweighed by 20-30-40 lbs to beat a SKILLED/TRAINED fighter if he has the right skill/strategy.
thats why i kinda laf at guys in the gym who lift to be tough and fight.. it really doesnt translate over to fighting at all IMO
if you want to learn to defend yourself go find a good teach and get on the mat.
I have to respond to this one. My old instructor was 140+/- lbs and 5 foot nothing. I got a chance to watch him work a 150 lbs bag once with 3" punches. I was in awe. At that time he could move that bag more than most could with kicks. I was incredibly fast and I was the one he normally would demonstrated a on in class. I can tell you even when he would just tap me with his hand it felt like i got bumped with 300+ lbs. Somethigng you have to feel in order to believe. He could develope an imense amount of power. I personaly never had a problem with bigger guys. Usually to cocky and never expect to get messed up. That imo is the big dudes biggest downfall. They never see ya coming. I am talking street. In the ring I never had a problem becasue of my speed. Not to say that a big dude can't be fast. I just never really saw it. Also though I never knew to many real muscle heads in the sport. I hope that helped I have to go...................work calls...........
BOOEY
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Well, I wouldn't use what happens in a bar or nightclub as a gauge because you never know how drunk the person who got his ass kicked was. I think if you're a big dude, the chances of you fighting someone who is skilled are slim, so use your size to your advantage. However, it takes just that one time to pick a fight with the wrong guy.
theoak01
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in a bar chances of fighting a skilled fighter are so slim you likely wont ever see it happen,I know in 2 years on the door I havent, the guys who can sort people out and are really trained are the guys sitting back shaking their head when the little punks get all hot headed and try and be tough with everyone
theoak01
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I agree there,but most people who have recieved training tend to go out of their way to avoid trouble, for example,if myself or my buddy(north american pankration champ) get bumped into by someone in a bar we will say sorry even though it wasnt our fault,and ive even bought someone a drink because I saw he was visably annoyed and ready to rock. had he brought it I woulda have fought back,but its little things you notice after spending a few years working in bars
TheOak01 said:
yah I know what you mean
sometimes when people say it is unlikey they will ever have to fight someone that has skill they are saying like it's like in the movies, where if you are a good fighter you'll take any level of shit to avoid hurting someone
and that's not true
you should if you are going to bein a fight, assume the other guy is dangerous until he proves otherwise, because you are only going to underestimate the wrong person once, and you'll have less then two seconds to figure it out when it happens
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in a bar chances of fighting a skilled fighter are so slim you likely wont ever see it happen,I know in 2 years on the door I havent, the guys who can sort people out and are really trained are the guys sitting back shaking their head when the little punks get all hot headed and try and be tough with everyone
Very Very TRUE!!
in a bar chances of fighting a skilled fighter are so slim you likely wont ever see it happen,I know in 2 years on the door I havent, the guys who can sort people out and are really trained are the guys sitting back shaking their head when the little punks get all hot headed and try and be tough with everyone
Very Very TRUE!!
USMC fighter
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Us little guys tend to start training, because we dont want to have to worry about guys bigger than us, and for me thats most people
I have lurked this board for a while, but I just wanted to interject somethin' real quick.
If your a true trained fighter and you spend all your free time training, don't sweat the small stuff. Walk away from every street/bar fight possible, there's no money in it and who knows if the guy has a knife/gun.
Save your skills for when they are critically needed, or for a competition.
It would be a waste of your time to train year round, and get stabbed/shot in the chest because of some ego trip.
I have trained martial arts for years and I still carry a knife on me at all times. I also have many friends who are not into martial arts, who carry weapons on them. Getting into random fights is just not worth all the time you spent training for competition.
If your a true trained fighter and you spend all your free time training, don't sweat the small stuff. Walk away from every street/bar fight possible, there's no money in it and who knows if the guy has a knife/gun.
Save your skills for when they are critically needed, or for a competition.
It would be a waste of your time to train year round, and get stabbed/shot in the chest because of some ego trip.
I have trained martial arts for years and I still carry a knife on me at all times. I also have many friends who are not into martial arts, who carry weapons on them. Getting into random fights is just not worth all the time you spent training for competition.
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musclemuscle
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break the fuckers knee cap out...he could have 200pds on you, he will be crying like a baby.
Fukkenshredded
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If everything else is equal, size and strength will win.
Tom Treutlein
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All things equal, the stronger will win, sure. When is everything going to be equal? Even if the attributes of both fighters are level, there's the probability of someone screwing up. Everyone makes mistakes, and even if everything about the fighters was equal, save 40 lbs. on one guy, that bigger guy could still go to take a step forward and land the ball of his foot wrong, causing him to lose but a second, and that could end it there.
Too many variables to determine, really. It's all a game of chance, provided some level of skill is involved, in any fight.
That all being said, I'd say skill would ultimately be more important. There are more small, skilled fighters taking out bigger people, than there are big, bulky, biker-esque guys who get enraged in bars taking out those same small, skilled fighters...ya' know?
Too many variables to determine, really. It's all a game of chance, provided some level of skill is involved, in any fight.
That all being said, I'd say skill would ultimately be more important. There are more small, skilled fighters taking out bigger people, than there are big, bulky, biker-esque guys who get enraged in bars taking out those same small, skilled fighters...ya' know?
Fukkenshredded
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True enough -- equality in a fight is an elusive concept in reality.
So I concur. I am a small guy -- 5'10" about 180 in shape now (I gained ten pounds over the past three years...lol). I have taken out some big guys and I am not even a trained fighter. But I am aware and I am a thinker, and I am not prone to anger or panic.
So I will admit that I agree that skill is a better asset than strength. Knowledge and skill combined with calmness and LOVE (yes, love) is the ultimate combination. Haters and aggressive angry people with chips on their shoulder generally wind up in a gutter with their heads cracked open sooner or later.
Intelligence and wit are up there too. If you can diffuse a fight it doesn't matter how badass your opponent is -- you aren't fighting so you both win.
So I concur. I am a small guy -- 5'10" about 180 in shape now (I gained ten pounds over the past three years...lol). I have taken out some big guys and I am not even a trained fighter. But I am aware and I am a thinker, and I am not prone to anger or panic.
So I will admit that I agree that skill is a better asset than strength. Knowledge and skill combined with calmness and LOVE (yes, love) is the ultimate combination. Haters and aggressive angry people with chips on their shoulder generally wind up in a gutter with their heads cracked open sooner or later.
Intelligence and wit are up there too. If you can diffuse a fight it doesn't matter how badass your opponent is -- you aren't fighting so you both win.
I'm pretty bright and quick thinking, but I think too much when sparring and stuff
I think so much I wind up slowing myself down
skill is about not screwing up more then it is doing something someone else can't do
the guys teaching me to fight dont' even think of it as teaching me what to do, they call it correcting my mistakes (or teaching me what not to do)
I think so much I wind up slowing myself down
skill is about not screwing up more then it is doing something someone else can't do
the guys teaching me to fight dont' even think of it as teaching me what to do, they call it correcting my mistakes (or teaching me what not to do)
javaguru
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This is one of the oldest debates. There are far too many variables for broad statemenst about size and no training Vs. training but small. One thing I do know, a good big man beats a good little man every time.
In high school my freshman year I wrestled in the 165 pound weight class. My coach wanted me to focus less on using my natural strength and more on my technique so he always had me work with the 189 pounders and heavyweights. He also wanted the bigger guys to learn how to handle a more technical wrestler. I consistently beat them because I was almost or as strong as they, MUCH faster, and much more skilled. In a street fight.....who knows.
In high school my freshman year I wrestled in the 165 pound weight class. My coach wanted me to focus less on using my natural strength and more on my technique so he always had me work with the 189 pounders and heavyweights. He also wanted the bigger guys to learn how to handle a more technical wrestler. I consistently beat them because I was almost or as strong as they, MUCH faster, and much more skilled. In a street fight.....who knows.
see i think regardless of size a smaller guy can at worst defend himself and avoid getting injured if he is well trained..whatever that is.
a street fight is not necessarily about winning or hurting the other guy it is about your own safety and making it through the situation and not ending up in the hospital.
you have to protect yourself and your friends if need be
a street fight is not necessarily about winning or hurting the other guy it is about your own safety and making it through the situation and not ending up in the hospital.
you have to protect yourself and your friends if need be
The skilled guy will beat an untrainned bodybuilder....
Before I started grappling I was pretty strong in terms of weightlifting....
Rolled around with some guys who were much lighter and got schooled....
Now that I have a few years under my belt, the power is an asset... It can be the difference when you have 2 guys around the same skill level.
Before I started grappling I was pretty strong in terms of weightlifting....
Rolled around with some guys who were much lighter and got schooled....
Now that I have a few years under my belt, the power is an asset... It can be the difference when you have 2 guys around the same skill level.
tommboy said:
Tommboy you and many of you that responded are all correct in several ways, a smaller middle weight well conditioned and trained is certainly formidableagainst a larger untrained unskilled fighter, but maybe of all traits you might like for is he or she a fighter ? some peopleare just naturally good instinctive fighters and no matter what your body type if you couple that with training and skills these are the most dangerous in my opinon, but don't be fooled there are some belly draggers out there that can seriously cause some damage. Sometimes it's like they say in racing, " there is no replacement for displacement.............I weigh about 350, I am not currently in great shape, I practice Judo with men half my age commonly, I know if they screw up and I don't waste my energy they can rarely do much with me, of course this isn't street fighting. Lots of encounters on the street end real quick, less then 30 seconds, lots of people don't fight well after they get smashed in the face by a hand or foot and see a lot of there own blood forthe first time, others just begin to get started after a good wack to the head , hehe, know your limitations, never under estimate, hit first hit hard , be able to get up off the floor and fight, and get out quick
Saintinistic
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tommboy said:
your only as strong as your weaknesses, and we have no protection over our knees, windpipe and eyes. these are vulnerable attack points. i go for the knees as the cap gets displaced at relatively low impact pressures, damaging tendons requires a bit more, but as a fit adult male, its easy.
so the kill is in the skill, muscle and strength can help with impact damage but skill and know how has the advantage.
