Before AAS and After

[210toosmall]

This thread is exactly what Quadsweep's earlier rant was talking about... i mean come on bro....

heres one of the biggest probs with this board some vet and or respected members rants about something that personally bothers him and all of a sudden theres a wave of ball suckers.

countless individuals unable to think for them selves, and happy as hell to jump on "the big mans " coat tails if only to please him enough to get some sort of attention or recognition from this big man and then theyll feel validated and of some importance.

then the idea that the original poster or "ranter " if you will, posted about becomes message board law and people that dont even know where the original info came from accept it as fact and even though THEY are the ones the info was meant for, they start preaching it just to feel like they know something then they even convince themselves that they actually believe it.


so i say DONT BE A BALL SUCKER!

 

[get456]

so let me guess, everyone bashing him: you all did everything perfect before starting aas,you trained to your natural limit and waited untill you were 25-27

damn he made progress and posted his pics, why doesnt everyone who had something negative to say about what hes doing post your pics.

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Ill respond to that...

fuck no... i was the same way when i started.. eager, and started early... I had only put on about 30 lbs naturally and lifted for about 18 months when i started... BUT I put on 50lbs in three cycles... im not gods gift to steroids, or BB, or anything else for that matter... but im damn well able to look at myself honestly at say i did "x" right or "y" wrong...

Ive learned more in the last 6 months about lifting and about my body than i had ever known before, and 100% honestly, if i had it to do over again, i wouldnt have touched anything for at least another year, maybe two and i would have been much more consistent about lifting and not done the ups and downs that i always have.

as for pictures.. im happy to put up what ive done...

i stopped lifting for two years and got FAT... i was 175lbs in the fat picture, and about 188 in the other pic. That progress is LESS than 500mg of test per week for 8 weeks on, 4 weeks off, 4 weeks on, so in 16 weeks (june 22nd to october 29th), i did this to my fat ass:

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o32/xxxlifterxxx/4monthprogress.jpg

 

[get456]

so i say DONT BE A BALL SUCKER!

your a fucking dickhead... i could give a shit who wrote the rant, the fact is THIS poster, LIQUID, is exactly what the rant was about.... do u agree or disagree?

 

[210toosmall]

Ill respond to that...

fuck no... i was the same way when i started.. eager, and started early... I had only put on about 30 lbs naturally and lifted for about 18 months when i started... BUT I put on 50lbs in three cycles... im not gods gift to steroids, or BB, or anything else for that matter... but im damn well able to look at myself honestly at say i did "x" right or "y" wrong...

Ive learned more in the last 6 months about lifting and about my body than i had ever known before, and 100% honestly, if i had it to do over again, i wouldnt have touched anything for at least another year, maybe two and i would have been much more consistent about lifting and not done the ups and downs that i always have.

as for pictures.. im happy to put up what ive done...



i stopped lifting for two years and got FAT... i was 175lbs in the fat picture, and about 188 in the other pic. That progress is LESS than 500mg of test per week for 8 weeks on, 4 weeks off, 4 weeks on, so in 16 weeks, i did this to my fat ass:

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o32/xxxlifterxxx/4monthprogress.jpg

congrats on your progress!
having read this i cant understand why you took the position with him that you did.
you seemingly have been in similar scenario and one would think that having been there yourself you would have more of an inclination to help him with where hes going rather than where hes been. jmo

 

[210toosmall]

your a fucking dickhead... i could give a shit who wrote the rant, the fact is THIS poster, LIQUID, is exactly what the rant was about.... do u agree or disagree?

your proving my point right now!
it wasnt your rant!

i dont care WHO the rant was suppose to be about it wasnt my rant.
and im not going to jump on the band wagon.
because of that rant there is going to be many more threads like this one where some newbie asks a question and all the so called vets or "VET AFFILIATES" can jump on him and say " see this is what quad was talking about"

how about trying to HELP?
if you dont know wtf your doing then ignore the thread and dont post any thing! huh? how about that?

 

[get456]

congrats on your progress!
having read this i cant understand why you took the position with him that you did.
you seemingly have been in similar scenario and one would think that having been there yourself you would have more of an inclination to help him with where hes going rather than where hes been. jmo

I know we are kind of going off on a tangent here, but ur right... i have the inclination to help him... which in my mind, doesnt include holding his hand and patting his back for lackluster progress after jumping on gear with no base to go from.

Help is setting the truth down in front of someone IMO. And the truth is, he has a lot to learn about lifting and diet (obviously)..... in fact his choice of getting on now would be just fine, if he actually made progress. That is the deciding factor to me, being prepared for juice to me isnt just how long you;ve been training or how old you are, its the results and commitment you have.

Someone that is 30 and showed the same results would be no better prepared than LIQUID is at 20... where as a 19 year old could have 10000 times the knowledge and ability to apply it, and therefore get WAY better results... and maybe that 19 year old had only been training for 6 months.

hand holding is for little kids and frail old people... neither of which are on this board.... if you are gonna make a big kid move like getting on gear, then you should be prepared for it with the ability to maximize your gains.



---- also i just want to say that i wasnt really slamming him or intending to, only saying that he has a lot to learn and should really rethink doing another cycle, especially his current one... I think becuase you and i were going back and forth it looks like i was like attacking LIQUID... all i was saying was this

jesus bro, thats AFTER TWO cycles?

i think that is a great testament to how juice doesnt fix everything, you have to know how to eat and train.

which i stick to.

Also LIQUID, several of us asked for your stats and lifts before and after and diet... posting those up would def help with pin pointing exactly why you didnt make the progress you should have

 

[Mrpumped]

jesus bro, thats AFTER TWO cycles?

i think that is a great testament to how juice doesnt fix everything, you have to know how to eat and train.

That's exactly how I feel. Just another example of lazyness. PURE LAZYNESS!!

 

[LiquidPhire]

I trained for only a year natural*I know it doesnt really show*, before jumping onto AAS. Do I regret it no, do I give 2 shits if someone flames me? no. Do I realize I could of maximized my potential and recieved the same results without gear in a longer period of time? yes. Do I wanna wait? no. Ive done my research on here and made quite a few friends from the summer till now. You guys know who you are.

Yes I have always squatted. Currently squatting 360 , Benching 270. Played soccer for 11 years of my life my hammies never shrunk*probably the biggest muscles I have* , calves did a bit though but I do not neglect them...

Currently
186lbs 5'9

Diet:
For the bulker was a horrible diet eating everything in sight. But was taking in 3000+ cals a day

Currently im trying to cut up a bit, less carbs more protien and even more cardio.

Chicken,Broc,Cashews,Chili,Spinach/Salad,Egg whites etc etc..
Don't have an exact calorie count..

And for people to say theres no noticable improvement, I let the people in my daily life who have known me for years when I was a 125lb freshman in highschool make the real judgement just wanted to share and get advice not cause a war=)
Since I don't care about what a online-ego has to say. What matters is I am happy and I'll stick to it, and continue to get my bloodwork done. Until a problem arises I see no point in stopping.. Thanks again!

 

[DiamondCutCows]

Good work to the original poster. I don't like the route you chose but solid effort. Keep learning and learning and training and dieting and you'll get there.

One gripe. Learn about every AAS in depth before you take them. If you would have studied MAsteron you wouldn't have spent the $ for it considering it really doesn't do anything if you have a higher bf%

Good luck, feel free to ask anything

 

[get456]

you dont seem like a bad guy at all. so thats good

Other feedback:
your b/f is extremely high, i would guess you would caliper test 20% or higher, not that matters one way or another, just an observation
3K calories and "eating everything in sight" that is another really telling statement-
here is a 3K calorie day for me:
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o32/xxxlifterxxx/Dec4-trainingday.jpg (done in fitday)

if you are eating garbage to get to only 3K calories, well, you can see the result
you can do so much better than that, it just takes being disciplined and eating the things you need to eat, thats all, and you would see HUGE improvements, probably without doing a bit of cardio

Like I siad before, come over to the weightlifting forum and take a peek around there, specifically the 5x5 info or similar, there is a LOT to learn there and your gains would be a heck of a lot better with a good training and diet plan