Been to my endo for the first time,need your insight

[Killler]

So I have been to endo.

The best endo in my country.

I have low test all my life,around 280.

I have told her all my symptoms
(extremely fat waist,sub-standard Libido,joint,ligament,tendon problems,self-confindence,depression,anxiety).

She said that my test is terribly low for my age(29),that testosterone is the most important hormone for men,for their psyche,bone health,fertility and cardiac health and much more.
She`s a firm believer in test,she stated that many times in her interviews(calls it "hormone of the kings and the king hormone".

I told her I have never used steroids(I didn`t)


She said she will do everything to put my test to the levels where they should be.

She did and ultrasound of
my internal organs(fine)
my pecs(no gyno)
my balls(all is fine with balls)

I will have to go to the lab and do:
LH,FSH,TSH,Free test,3HCG(I think?),Prolactin,
AST,ALT,Kreatinin,glucose,cholesterol,
and a 0,30,60,90,120 min glucose test
+spermogram.

And then report back to her.

In 3 weeks.

I asked her will I get some hormones to take and which ones,
and she said that she will know only when those tests are done.


My question is:
what do you guys think,
what are the chances I will get TRT?

I`d rather not get anything other,like HCG,T3 or any other bull that is not gonna be worth it in the gym.


p.s.she has a poster for nebido on the wall.

 

[Nelson Montana]

How do you know she's the best in the country?


Anyway, pointless question. She'll do what she thinks would be best. Do that. She's the best, she should know.

 

[Killler]

How do you know she's the best in the country?

Small country.

She`s reputed to be the best.

She is the chief of endocrinology at the best hospital.

She went to Harvard medicine or something like that.

Dunno.

Anyway, pointless question. She'll do what she thinks would be best. Do that. She's the best, she should know.

I don`t really know how docs determine if to give testosterone or not.
For example,if the blood work shows low LH,do they give you HCG or TEST?

Or if spermogram shows normal sperm count,do they hesitate giving TEST?


It`s gonna be long 3 weeks before seeing her again so I`m bashing my head against wall.

lol

 

[Killler]

Oh who am I kidding.

Since my testicles look fine on the ultrasound,
I`ll probably will get HCG or some shit like that,not TEST.

Won`t be worth anything in the gym.

 

[SinisterUproar]

Oh who am I kidding.

Since my testicles look fine on the ultrasound,
I`ll probably will get HCG or some shit like that,not TEST.

Won`t be worth anything in the gym.

Just tell her you want test bro.

 

[Killler]

Just tell her you want test bro.

Yeah I wish she would comply but you know how doctors are.

 

[stevesmi]

did you ever consider cleaning up your lifestyle and boosting your T?

you said it yourself you have anxiety and a big belly. test alone is not gonna fix that. but it could make it worse.

this lady is just trying to make money off of you/your insurance company. i find it interesting that a meathead with a peanut head can figure out that diet and exercise is the #1 thing to feeling good but a doctor from harvard or whatever can't.

in the end i hope you realize that even if you do go on HRT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, DECADES. that its gonna come down to lifestyle choices you make whether you get this turned around.

 

[Killler]

Cleaning up my diet aint gonna cut it.

I`ve been depressed for 29 years.

I can`t train as hard as I used to because my connective tissues are giving out.


I`m lazy,tired and sluggish.


I don`t drink,smoke or do drugs,so my lifestyle is clean in that perspective.



And I absolutely do not want anymore to eat like the next person but have a fat boiler stomach to carry around always.

For anxiety,I`m on antidepressants half the year,been seeing psychiatrist for 6 years now.


I really don`t see why I should not correct my test.


No offense mr.Stevesmi but do you know what low test feels like?



I understand that the doc is trying to make money off me,I am sure you are right.


But how is having testosterone in the normal range going to make my anxiety and obesity worse?
I don`t get that.

 

[RickRock13]

TRT should be a last resort after expending all measures to improve your test levels naturally and making lifestyle changes. You would be surprised if you knew how much impact a lifestyle change can have.

As for how increased test to normal range can cause you to make things worse, I'm sure Steve is referring to estrogen. Increased test equals increased estrogen which leads to more fat gain. I have a guy I work with that is going through that now. He is in his late 50s, doesn't work out, and has always been overweight. About a year ago he got diagnosed with low T and went on TRT. since then he has gained a significant amount more weight (fat) with no changes to his diet or lifestyle.

 

[Killler]

TRT should be a last resort after expending all measures to improve your test levels naturally and making lifestyle changes. You would be surprised if you knew how much impact a lifestyle change can have.

As for how increased test to normal range can cause you to make things worse, I'm sure Steve is referring to estrogen. Increased test equals increased estrogen which leads to more fat gain. I have a guy I work with that is going through that now. He is in his late 50s, doesn't work out, and has always been overweight. About a year ago he got diagnosed with low T and went on TRT. since then he has gained a significant amount more weight (fat) with no changes to his diet or lifestyle.

Yes but I have a perfectly good lifestyle.

I`m ready to improve on my diet religiously but everything else is fine.

I`m dedicated to lifting for 8 years now and I do some cardio regularly.

No alcohol,no tobacco,no drugs.



I`m sure doc will now about the estrogen stuff if she prescribes test?

 

[RickRock13]

Yes but I have a perfectly good lifestyle.

I`m ready to improve on my diet religiously but everything else is fine.

I`m dedicated to lifting for 8 years now and I do some cardio regularly.

No alcohol,no tobacco,no drugs.



I`m sure doc will now about the estrogen stuff if she prescribes test?

Lifestyle involves a lot of things. Your current physical condition, diet, your general health, your activity level, sleep patterns, sex life and your stress level or any other emotional irregularities like anxiety are all part of your lifestyle that can have a huge impact on your test levels.

 

[stevesmi]

Cleaning up my diet aint gonna cut it.

I`ve been depressed for 29 years.

I can`t train as hard as I used to because my connective tissues are giving out.


I`m lazy,tired and sluggish.


I don`t drink,smoke or do drugs,so my lifestyle is clean in that perspective.



And I absolutely do not want anymore to eat like the next person but have a fat boiler stomach to carry around always.

For anxiety,I`m on antidepressants half the year,been seeing psychiatrist for 6 years now.


I really don`t see why I should not correct my test.


No offense mr.Stevesmi but do you know what low test feels like?



I understand that the doc is trying to make money off me,I am sure you are right.


But how is having testosterone in the normal range going to make my anxiety and obesity worse?
I don`t get that.

yes I do know what its like actually. when i was in my early to mid 20's I went through a tough time in my life and i let myself go.. it was awful. went from an 8 pack to a huge gut. gf dumped me, i went into depression for months.. zero libido. avoided people. low T. one day i decided enough is enough and changed my lifestyle and diet. its been about 7-8 years now and I have higher natural T now than I did back then without HRT. its called having adversity in life.. 10-15 years ago thats what we called it, now its OH MY GOD i have to go on HRT the rest of my life to fix my problem. it took running into a guy who took me under his wing and taught me how to eat and live life, the doc i would go to didn't do shit for me

you said yourself you are on anti-depressants... those alone are causing your T levels to be lower being on those, not to mention your other issues that cause a domino effect. why not get off those drugs which are only making your problems worse

don't be so defensive about this, I am trying to help you fix your root causes of low T so that you won't need HRT. thats the way I roll. I could easily tell you to buy some sustanon amps and inject yourself every 10 days for the rest of your life and things would be solved but I would be lying to you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHneA79Uyvk watch this video man and please do more thinking about what you are getting yourself into because you might one day regret it

 

[Killler]

Ok.

I appreciate your advice Stevesmi,and your insight too RickRock.

Very grateful that you find the time to respond.

I have been off antidepressants for a year now and they didn`t lower my T.
I`ve had it low when I didn`t ever take them before.


Now why are you so against me trying out TRT(or other solution doc gives me)?

If I find it doesn`t feel right and it`s not for me,I will simply quit it.

Why would trying it out be such a bad thing?


And don`t tell me I will be shutdown for life because of a month of two of TRT.
You guys take much larger amounts of multiple steroids in your cycles and you are mostly fine.

 

[stevesmi]

Ok.

I appreciate your advice Stevesmi,and your insight too RickRock.

Very grateful that you find the time to respond.

I have been off antidepressants for a year now and they didn`t lower my T.
I`ve had it low when I didn`t ever take them before.


Now why are you so against me trying out TRT(or other solution doc gives me)?

If I find it doesn`t feel right and it`s not for me,I will simply quit it.

Why would trying it out be such a bad thing?


And don`t tell me I will be shutdown for life because of a month of two of TRT.
You guys take much larger amounts of multiple steroids in your cycles and you are mostly fine.

see we are mis communicating here. going on test for a couple months isn't TRT. that is just a cycle. TRT is staying on for life.

I am not necessarily against TRT, but I do believe you should exhaust all remedies before doing it.. why? because your own body produces test on its own, so why not use that before shutting it down permanently and just taking an injection for the rest of your life? watch that video i posted off youtube to understand

doctors will put guys on TRT and never explain to them that they will need to stay on forever. i have a client right now i am working with who was put on test from an idiot doctor for 2 straight years. today his LH and FSH are at 0. he is very young and doesn't want to be on TRT forever and has tried PCT's and is struggling to recover, its not a situation i would want to be in so you better think it over before making a mistake you will regret a few years from now

OR

you are thinking if you go on test for a couple months that your body will be tricked into producing more test down the line? not sure if this is what you think a buddy from work told me he wanted to do that.. I was able to talk him out of that dumb idea though. going on test will suppress you further, it will not wake your body up

 

[Killler]

OR

you are thinking if you go on test for a couple months that your body will be tricked into producing more test down the line? not sure if this is what you think a buddy from work told me he wanted to do that.. I was able to talk him out of that dumb idea though. going on test will suppress you further, it will not wake your body up

Haha,I`m not THAT stupid to think that....
I know it suppresses you.

Anyway,truth to be told,I really do not have any clue what solution doc will offer,I have no indication it will be TRT.
Wouldn`t really like to lose my existing balls,since I have normal size balls and a natural,medium libido,and I usually become horny porn star with the use of simple natty test booster.

On the other hand,I wouldn`t mind getting jacked from exogenous test


Who knows,I will she what she tells me.

If I don`t like her advice,I still have a few bottles of test boosters that I did not use(DAA,hcgenerate).
Which off course,we have no idea raise total T.
All I know for sure is that they raise free T.

 

[Killler]

Anyway,I`ve been off
LJ100 and tribulus for 10 days now(because of the impending bllod tests)and my libido is zero now.

If you guys think I should be living in a state of permanent shutdown(which you dread so much),please let me know.

Anyway I think I will be very happy about whatever she gives me.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ going on test may not fix your libido problems.

also make sure you exhaust all remedies.. you said yourself when you stopped taking the supplements you lost libido. to me that tells me a remedy would be to stick to the natural supps, but you insist on shutting yourself down for life going on HRT. you may one day get tired of weekly injections and want to come off, then what? also HRT isn't gonna make you jacked.. hrt is just enough test to get you to normal levels and if you want to get jacked you gotta work your ass off in the weight room and eat well. even guys that run 10-15X HRT doses fail to get jacked. hell go on youtube and look at these dudes on there who are running 2 grams of juice a week who look like they don't even workout.

but do what you want man. like i said above I've got a client I have been working with right now who was put on HRT for 2 years, now he wants to come off and its a living hell for him trying to recover

 

[Killler]

^^^ going on test may not fix your libido problems.

also make sure you exhaust all remedies.. you said yourself when you stopped taking the supplements you lost libido. to me that tells me a remedy would be to stick to the natural supps, but you insist on shutting yourself down for life going on HRT. you may one day get tired of weekly injections and want to come off, then what? also HRT isn't gonna make you jacked.. hrt is just enough test to get you to normal levels and if you want to get jacked you gotta work your ass off in the weight room and eat well. even guys that run 10-15X HRT doses fail to get jacked. hell go on youtube and look at these dudes on there who are running 2 grams of juice a week who look like they don't even workout.

but do what you want man. like i said above I've got a client I have been working with right now who was put on HRT for 2 years, now he wants to come off and its a living hell for him trying to recover

Well,you got a point there.

My libido is awesome on LJ100,it`s totally curable with natural remedies.
I also got testofen,maca,horny goat weed,yohimbe,but I haven`t tried them yet.

But what about my other problems,like conn tissues?
I want to continue training heavy as I did before without them giving out all the time.

I would be more than happy to use natural test boosters instead of TRT if I knew any of them actually boosted test a couple of ten percents.

So far I know LJ100 boosts my free test but not total.
Tribulus doesn`t boost anything.
For Fenugreek,DAA etc I hear conflicting stories how they may boost test and then may not boost test but boost estrogen?
Fuck that.
No way for me to know until I try each one of them out and do blood tests.
Damn the supplement company wars with their conflicting lies.

I would love to boost test on my own but I think it`s better that doc boosts it giving she will probably keep an eye on other hormones not spiraling out of control.
Who knows,I`ll see what she tells me.



As far as not getting jacked on TRT....
I`m a very experienced trainer,would get good mass gains with TRT for sure....at the very least good body recomp effect.
With getting my diet to perfection along with that also.

 

[ceo]

sounds like you got all the answers figured out. Just wait to see what your doc will do.

 

[Killler]

So my hormone blood work is here



FSH @ 3,50
men 0,7-11,1 mlU/ml

LH @ 4,35
men 0,8-7,6 mlU/ml

Prolactin @ 189
53,0-360,0 mlU/L

Estradiol @ 44,5
men 0,0-56 pg/ml

Beta HCG @ <1,00
0,0-5,0 mlU/ml

FT4 @ 18,06
12,00-22,0 pmol/l

TSH @ 4,73
0,40-4,00 µIU/ml


To recap,I have low total T,around 280,
and also low free T.

Did ultrasound of balls and they are fine.

I will still have to do glucose tolerance test and standard test(cholesterol,AST,ALT,creatinine etc)


I wonder what the doc will see in these hormone results.


Can you make something out of this?

 

[Mekat]

dude those results look fine to me, theres no way ur doc is gonna put u on TRT,

im pretty sure, just like steve said, ur low test is most likely due to ur lifestyle, anxiety, stress, etc,

u need to find a way to cope with ur anxiety and stress, and have a positive outlook on life..

HMG might also do u some good, to raise ur FSH

 

[ceo]

maybe it's due to your apparent hypothyroidism.

 

[Mekat]

ur right, i missed the high TSH, should def get T3 and T4 checked as well as thyroid scan

 

[Killler]

ur right, i missed the high TSH, should def get T3 and T4 checked as well as thyroid scan

Thanks guys,I found the diagnosis of sub-clinical hypothyroidism on the net(high TSH,normal thyroid hormone)

It does not say anything about testosterone regarding this on wiki.

So giving levothyroxine(thyroid hormone) will be doc`s choice for this problem presumably?


I read on a few places that people with this condition + low test get levothyroxine+androgel.

But what is confusing me with this condition is that T4 levels are NORMAL?