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Barry to to let illegal immigrants seek work permits

Go Barry go!

Create those jobs!

(of course, he's creating them all outside the US)
 
Anything. Just a young kid tryin to make some money before I start school I been doing warehouse stuff lately with different temp agencies.
 
yeah he will pay you, you can start with getting that pic off his comp and sending it to me
 
shit will settle down by the time he returns from his 10 day vacation in Martha's Vineyard

just sayin'

Obama slammed for vacation, but that's nothing new - CNN.com

I love listening to him slam corporate jet owners and the wealthy, then hop on the largest non-commercial jet in the world and fly directly to one of the richest locations in the world.

He's probably sipping wine right now thinking: "Maybe I'll give a lecture on the importance of personal responsibility later this week."
 
Go Barry go!

Create those jobs!

(of course, he's creating them all outside the US)

Actually not quite... He's converting all the real jobs which used to have good futures (and freedom to advance and freedom to choose your own method to save and invest), into unionized government jobs so you can work your a$$ off for 40 years, and get your retirement fund stolen.... Or just be exterminated by your Obamacare HMO when your medical costs get too stiff after retiring from that wonderful government secure job.

Charles
 
I don't understand why there would be a desire to do this.

I would like to understand the behind the scene deals from both parties for this one.
 
I don't understand why there would be a desire to do this.

I would like to understand the behind the scene deals from both parties for this one.

It's pandering by both sides to secure the latino vote.
 
It's pandering by both sides to secure the latino vote.
I totally understand that this is the obvious answer, but I would have to think that someone in either party would stand up and say no.

Increase the deficit, no and a whole lot of arguing.

Allow work permits for illegals, sure why not?


It's just further proof to me that there isn't one side or the other anymore.
 
I totally understand that this is the obvious answer, but I would have to think that someone in either party would stand up and say no.

Increase the deficit, no and a whole lot of arguing.

Allow work permits for illegals, sure why not?


It's just further proof to me that there isn't one side or the other anymore.

Hispanics are a demographics issue. They're around 16% of our population. So let's say one party woos them and they break 75%/25%. Well (75%-25%)*16% = 8% -- which is well beyond the margin for most US elections.

Similar analysis explains why we cannot fix Medicare or Social Security.

But hispanics aren't our ultimate class to coddle. We've got two up-and-coming classes that will need even more attention:

1) People who pay no taxes versus people who carry most of the load.

2) Fat people, who now represent 66% of americans. When people talk about imposing insurance penalties on obese people, I laugh my ass off. Not only will that not happen -- that group will be a protected class well within the next 5-10 years.
 
It's pandering by both sides to secure the latino vote.

Lots of people say that, but I'm not sure... I have many Mexican-born friends, who "did it the hard way" and are here legally (in the voting public), and they despise the illegals. Of course if the illegals have fake ID from a dead or underage American, which some do, they might vote.

Putting my hardline Right political views aside, I think we have WAY too many illegals here to deport all of them. The only thing I see sensible to do, is SEAL THAT BORDER NOW!!!!!!!!!, and then weed through the illegals who are here, and deport the welfare recipients, the criminals of course, and the nonsupporting fathers, etc etc. But the ones who snuck in here about 20 years ago, and been working and riding bicycles to work (not driving illegally), might be OK to let stay. We just don't have the resources to round up and deport 10 million illegals, and seal and patrol the border all at the same time. And quite honestly, would any of us really want the jobs that illegals seem to be accepting? And don't say kids, because with the child labor laws, and the OSHA breathing down employers' necks, and lawsuits, nobody under 18 is getting any job other than maybe at the grocery store or mall. Believe me, they're not going to be hired to swing a pick axe or pick vegetables in today's legal atmosphere.

Charles
 
I can see that the fat people issue will become an issue soon.

I guess the advertisements of Wall Street was too good?

Hispanics are a demographics issue. They're around 16% of our population. So let's say one party woos them and they break 75%/25%. Well (75%-25%)*16% = 8% -- which is well beyond the margin for most US elections.

Similar analysis explains why we cannot fix Medicare or Social Security.

But hispanics aren't our ultimate class to coddle. We've got two up-and-coming classes that will need even more attention:

1) People who pay no taxes versus people who carry most of the load.

2) Fat people, who now represent 66% of americans. When people talk about imposing insurance penalties on obese people, I laugh my ass off. Not only will that not happen -- that group will be a protected class well within the next 5-10 years.
 
I'm sure as fuck am not going to go pick produce for 16 hours a day in 110 degree heat for $50 a day.
And I sure as hell like my fresh produce at its current price.
I used to live in the California Valley and they work hard.
So cry your hearts out about the working immigrants... They put food in your grocery store at a "decent" price.
 
I'm sure as fuck am not going to go pick produce for 16 hours a day in 110 degree heat for $50 a day.
And I sure as hell like my fresh produce at its current price.
I used to live in the California Valley and they work hard.
So cry your hearts out about the working immigrants... They put food in your grocery store at a "decent" price.

So your desire for less expensive produce justifies breaking US laws, systematically violating our border and aiding in the development of drug and sex trade channels?

Given that, does this mean legally shipping a job to China so someone else can buy something cheaper is good as well?
 
So your desire for less expensive produce justifies breaking US laws, systematically violating our border and aiding in the development of drug and sex trade channels?

Given that, does this mean legally shipping a job to China so someone else can buy something cheaper is good as well?
WOW ASSumption central..... The thread title does state WORK PERMITS doesnt it? Not HIRE ILLEGAL WORKERS.
So ummm yea man.... Try to peddle your assumtions on someone else.
 
WOW ASSumption central..... The thread title does state WORK PERMITS doesnt it? Not HIRE ILLEGAL WORKERS.
So ummm yea man.... Try to peddle your assumtions on someone else.
Ah...the title said illegal immigrants seeking work permits.

I can appreciate that you like the low cost of produce, but there is a cost to it (that might not be immediately visible to you).
 
Ah...the title said illegal immigrants seeking work permits.

I can appreciate that you like the low cost of produce, but there is a cost to it (that might not be immediately visible to you).

He's using liberal logic. Don't try to stop something illegal that clashes with your goals -- just legalize it.
 
Ah...the title said illegal immigrants seeking work permits.

I can appreciate that you like the low cost of produce, but there is a cost to it (that might not be immediately visible to you).
Once they have work permits is not Illegal to have them work. And the chunk of them are migrant workers
 
He's using liberal logic. Don't try to stop something illegal that clashes with your goals -- just legalize it.
WTF?
1. I'm not a "liberal"
2. Thats the goals of the GOP there killer. Oil,Coal,Natural Gas,Capitol gains, Wallstreet, Banking, Ending OSHA, EPA. So again, tell me whos Logic was it?
You sir have just pointed out your lack of ability to prove your point in a intellectual manner.
Along with the classic tactic of trying to attack and degrade.LOL LIBERAL LOGIC !!!! :D
 
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WTF?
1. I'm not a "liberal"
2. Thats the goals of the GOP there killer. Oil,Coal,Natural Gas,Capitol gains, Wallstreet, Banking, Ending OSHA, EPA. So again, tell me whos Logic was it?
You sir have just pointed out your lack of intellect.
Along with the classic tactic of trying to attack and degrade.LOL LIBERAL LOGIC !!!! :D

For the record plunkey is very intelligent. I know this from having dinner with him
 
I always find it intersting that

1) People never want race being involved in opinions or social commentary or agendas or anything.

2) But non-whites voted based upon race (how many blaques have we herad said they voted for O cuz he's black, how many hispanics would vote for a hispanic candidate without even a second's thought).

Yet, if a white person said that "I'm voting for McCain, cuz he's white" -- boom, RACIST!

love the double standard. btw: How's O workin' out for you blaque america?

c
 
I always find it intersting that

1) People never want race being involved in opinions or social commentary or agendas or anything.

2) But non-whites voted based upon race (how many blaques have we herad said they voted for O cuz he's black, how many hispanics would vote for a hispanic candidate without even a second's thought).

Yet, if a white person said that "I'm voting for McCain, cuz he's white" -- boom, RACIST!

love the double standard. btw: How's O workin' out for you blaque america?

c
Obama is just as much WHITE as he is black. 50/50.. Mulatto...Mixed...
Now Eminem... BLACK
 
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Obama is just as much WHITE as he is black. 50/50.. Mulatto...Mixed...
Now Eminem... BLACK

Obama classifies himself as black, see his 2010 Census controversy and explanation. Hes married to a black woman with black children. He easily looks black. The fact he has a white mother is a technicality.
 
Obama is just as much WHITE as he is black. 50/50.. Mulatto...Mixed...
Now Eminem... BLACK

He's the only prez to celebrate by sending out cards for

Kwanzaa is a weeklong celebration held in the United States honoring universal African-American heritage and culture, observed from December 26 to January 1 each year. It features activities such as lighting a candle holder with seven candles[1] and culminates in a feast and gift giving. It was created by Maulana Karenga and was first celebrated in 1966–1967.

And he's a muslim according to muslim law..
 
Obama classifies himself as black, see his 2010 Census controversy and explanation. Hes married to a black woman with black children. He easily looks black. The fact he has a white mother is a technicality.
WTF?!?! What a puerile attempt to validify your reasoning.
What he X's he marks on a piece of paper has no consequence on what makes him black or ON GENETICS- He could've marked Asian- So your point = MOOT

Who he's married to again has no consequence on what makes HIM Black or ON GENETICS. He could have just as easily married a White/Asian/Hispanic woman. Again- your point = MOOT

What his kids look like doesnt make HIM Black. They could have just as easily came out light brown with his Genetic make up.

That fact that he has a WHITE MOTHER IS A FACT not a technicality.

Now lastly.... The fact that he "Easily Looks Black" is where most people rate his ethnic backround.
But most people are also sheltered and have not been around the world to see Filipinos/Hispanics/Asians/Indonesians/Polynesians/Indians THAT ALL HAVE "Black" hair and features but no African decent.
So just Say it: He looks black so he's all black. It's the "He doesnt look like us Syndrome".
He's Mixed no matter how you try and deny it. Embrace it... He's white like you and me.
 
This thread is getting derailed, but here's my 2c on pulling race into the discussion: I know a German illegal alien with blond hair and blue eyes, and also a Swede and a girl from Belgium, and they all have to obey the same immigration rules as Mexicans, Russians, or Martians. They all want to work, and are WILLING to work, but can't get legal for one reason or another.

And on the other subject, the only friends I have who voted for Obama, are lazy white hippies who own VW micro buses, and sit at Starbuck's all day, with, well let's just say, not the best of luck in getting and keeping jobs.... Three Black friends (including a Federal court judge in Los Angeles), told me they voted for Mc Cain because they were afraid Obama was not as qualified, as he has no real-life experience in the workplace or in business and finances, and felt he would worsen the economy and raise taxes (Imagine anyone thinking that!!!!!????).

Charles
 
He's the only prez to celebrate by sending out cards for

Kwanzaa is a weeklong celebration held in the United States honoring universal African-American heritage and culture, observed from December 26 to January 1 each year. It features activities such as lighting a candle holder with seven candles[1] and culminates in a feast and gift giving. It was created by Maulana Karenga and was first celebrated in 1966–1967.

And he's a muslim according to muslim law..
I know what Kwanzaa is.
Celebrating it is quite different from RECOGNIZING it, or respecting someone elses celebration of it. If he sends out cards for Hanukkah would that be a big deal? Because he did that too......
 
I know what Kwanzaa is.
Celebrating it is quite different from RECOGNIZING it, or respecting someone elses celebration of it. If he sends out cards for Hanukkah would that be a big deal? Because he did that too......

Yet he missed this year's Easter Sunday proclamation...
 
O is black. If he walkd down the street with a white chick - people would look twice. So he's black cuz he looks black. So he would be the recipient of all the racism that blacks get.

That's all that matters.

c
 
This thread is getting derailed, but here's my 2c on pulling race into the discussion: I know a German illegal alien with blond hair and blue eyes, and also a Swede and a girl from Belgium, and they all have to obey the same immigration rules as Mexicans, Russians, or Martians. They all want to work, and are WILLING to work, but can't get legal for one reason or another.

And on the other subject, the only friends I have who voted for Obama, are lazy white hippies who own VW micro buses, and sit at Starbuck's all day, with, well let's just say, not the best of luck in getting and keeping jobs.... Three Black friends (including a Federal court judge in Los Angeles), told me they voted for Mc Cain because they were afraid Obama was not as qualified, as he has no real-life experience in the workplace or in business and finances, and felt he would worsen the economy and raise taxes (Imagine anyone thinking that!!!!!????).

Charles

Well, I guess that settles it then.
 
WTF?!?! What a puerile attempt to validify your reasoning.
What he X's he marks on a piece of paper has no consequence on what makes him black or ON GENETICS- He could've marked Asian- So your point = MOOT

Who he's married to again has no consequence on what makes HIM Black or ON GENETICS. He could have just as easily married a White/Asian/Hispanic woman. Again- your point = MOOT

What his kids look like doesnt make HIM Black. They could have just as easily came out light brown with his Genetic make up.

That fact that he has a WHITE MOTHER IS A FACT not a technicality.

Now lastly.... The fact that he "Easily Looks Black" is where most people rate his ethnic backround.
But most people are also sheltered and have not been around the world to see Filipinos/Hispanics/Asians/Indonesians/Polynesians/Indians THAT ALL HAVE "Black" hair and features but no African decent.
So just Say it: He looks black so he's all black. It's the "He doesnt look like us Syndrome".
He's Mixed no matter how you try and deny it. Embrace it... He's white like you and me.

Come on man use some common sense. If you see Obama walking down the street hes a black man. You never hear about his mom but yet be writes that "Dreams from my father" book, inspite of his dad being a deadbeat. Everyone in america couldnt stop yakking about a black man becoming president in 2008, the fact that his mom is white was just buried. Obama identifies as a black man and is considered as such, plain and simple. We are a nation that judges on appearance and image, thats just the way it is.
 
Come on man use some common sense. If you see Obama walking down the street hes a black man. You never hear about his mom but yet be writes that "Dreams from my father" book, inspite of his dad being a deadbeat. Everyone in america couldnt stop yakking about a black man becoming president in 2008, the fact that his mom is white was just buried. Obama identifies as a black man and is considered as such, plain and simple. We are a nation that judges on appearance.
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Common Sense is excaping you at the moment Dave.
Perception is NOT everything
Who cares what people were talking about? Does that change the FACT that he's Mulatto?

You are a person that Judges by appearance. You DONT Qualify to speak for the Nation. Because I am not so narrow mined to assume im the final judge of peoples race based on a guess. And I know 1,000's of people that dont think like you.

If a Duck says its a Gull, Does that make it a Gull? NO its a Fucking DUCK.

If you See a Duck and say its a Goose does that make it a fucking Goose? NO its a fucking Duck.

Your Using Hearsay to prove your point. It's Hilarious!!!!
 
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Common Sense is excaping you at the moment Dave.
Perception is NOT everything
Who cares what people were talking about? Does that change the FACT that he's Mulatto?

You are a person that Judges by appearance. You DONT Qualify to speak for the Nation. Because I am not so narrow mined to assume im the final judge of peoples race based on a guess. And I know 1,000's of people that dont think like you.

If a Duck says its a Gull, Does that make it a Gull? NO its a Fucking DUCK.

If you See a Duck and say its a Goose does that make it a fucking Goose? NO its a fucking Duck.

Your Using Hearsay to prove your point. It's Hilarious!!!!

Yes I understand in reality he is mulatto/mixed/whatever. Im talking about for all intents and purposes, and practicality, obama is black. This is based on how american society operates. And its not hearsay when the whole nation considers him the first black president. No one ever says hes the first mulatto president. None of this means anything bad by the way.

I understand what you are saying and i see where this thread is going so im going to just agree to disagree and bow out.
 
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