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Re: Some people just are not ready to grow...
WTF??? You know your body best??? Everybody does 1 gram of test???? I think you are mistaken. Those excessive doses are NOT needed to grow. If anything, they are overkill. I just gained 25 lbs off a sust/winny stack. 500 mg/ week, that's it. Does that mean I need a gram of test on my next cycle to grow??? I think not. You then go on to say that if the sides get TOO BAD then stop?????? That's like saying have unprotected sex with as many prostitues as you can and only stop once you get an STD. Get real buddy!!!!! It is people like you that give gear a bad name because you abuse it instead of using it as a tool.
Gear said:
WTF??? You know your body best??? Everybody does 1 gram of test???? I think you are mistaken. Those excessive doses are NOT needed to grow. If anything, they are overkill. I just gained 25 lbs off a sust/winny stack. 500 mg/ week, that's it. Does that mean I need a gram of test on my next cycle to grow??? I think not. You then go on to say that if the sides get TOO BAD then stop?????? That's like saying have unprotected sex with as many prostitues as you can and only stop once you get an STD. Get real buddy!!!!! It is people like you that give gear a bad name because you abuse it instead of using it as a tool.
When I went from75mg a day to 100 mg I noticed a big difference. But when I went from 100 to 125 I didnt notice much.........Hey , and if your blood pressure is fine go for it, I really think thats the big thing you should monitor and it seems like this often gets overlooked in our pursuit to keep our liver and kidneys healthy REMEMBER TO MONITOR BLOOD PRESSURE!
defying gravity
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Sittin' On Diesel
Don't listen to those that have done a few cycles and listened to people repeat the same myths again and again without ever questioning their validity. 17-AA's do make the liver work harder. How much? Probably not a lot. I've run d-ball at 75 mgs a day for a year strait before. I will state that I was having regular liver screens done to ensure no damage was being done. It was not. People do not realize that D-ball was the first synthetic steroid. It came out in the 50's and that and test suspension was all there was for years. Athletes stayed on the shit for years with no problems. These people that rant about how toxic 17-AA's are have NEVER had blood work done while doing them, they repeat like monkeys the same things they have been told while never actually looking for the truth. Most competitors run 17-AA's in large doses for long periods with no problems. If those (typically newbies) people are uncomfortable doing them at all or for more than a few weeks that’s fine just don't spout off saying how wrong someone is that prefers to do them for longer periods of time. I don't tell people they are fucked up for only doing orals for 8 weeks. Don't tell me I'm wrong for doing them longer. There were people in this thread that were saying how wrong it is to do orals for longer periods and were also saying 500 mgs a week test is a fine dose. For who? Not for me I've done gear for 11 years now and 500 mgs doesn't do shit. Don't say its all a person needs, say it works for me but I've only done a few cycles. To those that are sooo convinced about how toxic orals are show me some hard data, not anecdotal tales about how much stress the liver endures from 17-AA’s. Something on a comparative or qualitive basis that was done in a research facility please. Not another well, my friends cousins uncle Billy-Bob did d-ball and it made his liver hurt shit, actual data please. I’ve asked for it here and every other board I’ve been on. No one EVER has provided any. Duchaine couldn’t either. BTW, Duchaine recommended D-ball and deca as a year round cycle in one of his books.
Defying Gravity
Don't listen to those that have done a few cycles and listened to people repeat the same myths again and again without ever questioning their validity. 17-AA's do make the liver work harder. How much? Probably not a lot. I've run d-ball at 75 mgs a day for a year strait before. I will state that I was having regular liver screens done to ensure no damage was being done. It was not. People do not realize that D-ball was the first synthetic steroid. It came out in the 50's and that and test suspension was all there was for years. Athletes stayed on the shit for years with no problems. These people that rant about how toxic 17-AA's are have NEVER had blood work done while doing them, they repeat like monkeys the same things they have been told while never actually looking for the truth. Most competitors run 17-AA's in large doses for long periods with no problems. If those (typically newbies) people are uncomfortable doing them at all or for more than a few weeks that’s fine just don't spout off saying how wrong someone is that prefers to do them for longer periods of time. I don't tell people they are fucked up for only doing orals for 8 weeks. Don't tell me I'm wrong for doing them longer. There were people in this thread that were saying how wrong it is to do orals for longer periods and were also saying 500 mgs a week test is a fine dose. For who? Not for me I've done gear for 11 years now and 500 mgs doesn't do shit. Don't say its all a person needs, say it works for me but I've only done a few cycles. To those that are sooo convinced about how toxic orals are show me some hard data, not anecdotal tales about how much stress the liver endures from 17-AA’s. Something on a comparative or qualitive basis that was done in a research facility please. Not another well, my friends cousins uncle Billy-Bob did d-ball and it made his liver hurt shit, actual data please. I’ve asked for it here and every other board I’ve been on. No one EVER has provided any. Duchaine couldn’t either. BTW, Duchaine recommended D-ball and deca as a year round cycle in one of his books.
Defying Gravity
Your_Moms_Kneepads
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Re: Sittin' On Diesel
I dont agree with taking 15 dbol a day for a year straight but you are doing the right thing by getting routine bloodwork.
BTW Duchaine ws wrong about alot of things but he had the balls to make a point and try and argue it.
Again this is all individual but I agree that some people can tolerate high amounts of androgens with little or no difficulty. Taking ALA, milk thistle,ect is a must whether needed (ie judging yourself) or not.defying gravity said:
I dont agree with taking 15 dbol a day for a year straight but you are doing the right thing by getting routine bloodwork.
BTW Duchaine ws wrong about alot of things but he had the balls to make a point and try and argue it.
pgerardone
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This is not really crazy. It is normal in bodybuilding circles. I know many guys who stay on 2000 + mgs of shit all year long for years at a time. Cycles are not the norm to tell you the truth. The myth about staying off as long as you are on is just not realistic in bodybuilding today.guards said:
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