Don't listen to those that have done a few cycles and listened to people repeat the same myths again and again without ever questioning their validity. 17-AA's do make the liver work harder. How much? Probably not a lot. I've run d-ball at 75 mgs a day for a year strait before. I will state that I was having regular liver screens done to ensure no damage was being done. It was not. People do not realize that D-ball was the first synthetic steroid. It came out in the 50's and that and test suspension was all there was for years. Athletes stayed on the shit for years with no problems. These people that rant about how toxic 17-AA's are have NEVER had blood work done while doing them, they repeat like monkeys the same things they have been told while never actually looking for the truth. Most competitors run 17-AA's in large doses for long periods with no problems. If those (typically newbies) people are uncomfortable doing them at all or for more than a few weeks that?s fine just don't spout off saying how wrong someone is that prefers to do them for longer periods of time. I don't tell people they are fucked up for only doing orals for 8 weeks. Don't tell me I'm wrong for doing them longer. There were people in this thread that were saying how wrong it is to do orals for longer periods and were also saying 500 mgs a week test is a fine dose. For who? Not for me I've done gear for 11 years now and 500 mgs doesn't do shit. Don't say its all a person needs, say it works for me but I've only done a few cycles. To those that are sooo convinced about how toxic orals are show me some hard data, not anecdotal tales about how much stress the liver endures from 17-AA?s. Something on a comparative or qualitive basis that was done in a research facility please. Not another well, my friends cousins uncle Billy-Bob did d-ball and it made his liver hurt shit, actual data please. I?ve asked for it here and every other board I?ve been on. No one EVER has provided any. Duchaine couldn?t either. BTW,
Duchaine recommended D-ball and deca as a year round cycle in one of his books
Ok, Andreas Munzer. His liver was pulverized when they opened him up. He bleed to death internally. granted he was using cytadren and other compounds but the roids played a big part. I believe the pros use a shit load but no more than some dumbass nobody trying to look big in his gym....wow! What a payoff for all that $$$ and damage! I just do not see anyones body being able to use that much gear no matter how long they have been using. i have juiced for 9 years now. I never go over 30mg a day of d-bol and never over 1200mg or so total and I compete nationally as a heavy weight at 215# at 3.5% body fat. oh yeah and I am 5'7" tall. your nuts only make 6-7 mg at best so how can 3000mg be used unless you are a freak? Are YOU??? I get so tired of all these people saying how much gear they use and how big they are and I doubt that a large percentage of this is true at all. The problem is some kid gets on here sees all this bullshit and will try to do as much as he has read not knowing half the people writing this shit are a bunch of punks.
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