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Attempt at full HPTA recovery

TheThracian

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Hi everyone. I need some serious advice. Id like to some veteran input in this. Perhaps Nelson Montana,needtogetaas and the other guys who work with him.

I'm looking to make a full hpta recovery and never cycle again. I have about 5 cycles under my belt within 4 year frame. Longest was 3 1/2 months. Each within a year or at least 6 month break in between. I did a superdrol cycle solo.My first injectable cycle was test p/tren ace.2nd cycle test prop/epistane/ bridged with androhard. 3rd cycle was test prop,dbol kickstart and finished with testprop/anavar. Although I believe dbol and anavar was bunk. Ive never used deca or anything else.

Currently Ive been on a "cruising" cycle with test prop alone. I started with 200 mgs /week and tapered down to 100.Ive been on for just over 2 months now. I use arimidex to control estrogen because im really sensitive to estrogen. I do have slight gyno and even at such dosage it can grow or become painful.

I practice mixed martial arts and I train 6 times a week,sometimes twice a day.This low dosage works for me and gives me the little extra edge I need.

However due to psychological issues of being up and down consistently I have decided to stop using gear all together..

So I want to make the perfect recovery. Ive used primordial performance's TRS stack before and it wasnt as efficient as I thought it would be.

When I was doing internet research I came across n2bm products and the great reviews their products has. So I want to give their products a try.

Im currently seeing a endocrinologist. However he has no clue about getting guys off cycle. He is young and inexperienced. He told me to taper down gradually over a 4 week period. Going from 25 mg/eod shots all the way down to 5 mg eod shots. Then he wants me coming in for a bloodwork 2 weeks AFTER I'm done pinning.He does not have any PCT program for me during these 2 weeks I wait to see him.However he is willing to prescribe clomid or HCG. I asked him for HCG and he prescribed me inter-muscular HCG. I have it but I plan not to use it till cycle is over.

I got about another 4 weeks left in my cycle. I can extend it longer,or come off sooner depending on the advice I get.
I have blackmarket clomid(although i can get prescription)
I also have prescription HCG. I have never used HCG properly,so I have faith in it.
I want to add in hcgenerate,bridge and unleashed(if necessary) in my pct.

Also id like to add that Ive been shutdown from my cycle prior to this. I felt fine and then suddenly I got sick after 2 months ive been off and I couldnt eat. Low libido,lost weight,no motivation,felt like shit.This caused me to hop back on test alone and do a proper PCT in the end. My testes were in normal range when I got checked. No severe shrinkage at all. I had bloodwork done when I was sick and my test was at 470,which is fairly low for a 24 year old.

I have a few questions.

1)Should I use hcgenerate at the end of my cycle or use it in PCT with HCG or use it at the end and beggining of pct?
2)How much HCG should I use and how long?
3) Would adding clomid to the mix help at all? ( My body reacts really good to clomid. I want the best recovery possible as I will never touch AAS again)
5)If I have arimidex,would forma stozol still have any beneficial effects?
6) Can I extend the use of hcgenerate ?
7) Should I stack bridge in PCT or use it as stand alone
8) Can I add unleashed/post cycle to the PCT mix?

Other add ins to pct will be alots of creatine and glutamine,bcaas,beta alanine,citrilune malate . Plenty of Vitamin C,vitamin E. Alot of healthy fats. Possibly extra tribilus dosage.
 
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For the remaining 4 weeks of the cyle blast hcg at 1000-2000 ius week. Then 3 days after last pin start pct.

PCT
Do one 100 mcg shot of triptorellin
(1-8)
Clomid 25 mg day
Postcycle/unleashed
Forma
Daa
Osta 25 mg day

(8-16)
Bridge
Daa
Phytoserms 347

I made it very extensive as your very shutdown and recovery will take time.

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NTBM REP
 
Triptorellin? Never heard of it.Where can I get my hands on this?

What is osta?

Unleashed/post cycle is out of stack. Any ETA on this?


Im putting all my faith in to ntbm products.. None of the pct products contain any pro/hormones I hope. I will keep up my progress in this thread
 
Triptorellin? Never heard of it.Where can I get my hands on this?

What is osta?

Unleashed/post cycle is out of stack. Any ETA on this?


Im putting all my faith in to ntbm products.. None of the pct products contain any pro/hormones I hope. I will keep up my progress in this thread

Ok greatwide carries triptorellin. Osta is a sarm you can buy from uniquechemicals or sarmssearch. Dose it at 25 mg day. The postcycle combo should be instock soon. So keep an eye out.

Use code joeb15 for 15%off at needtobuildmuscle.com

NTBM REP
 
For the remaining 4 weeks of the cyle blast hcg at 1000-2000 ius week. Then 3 days after last pin start pct.

PCT
Do one 100 mcg shot of triptorellin
(1-8)
Clomid 25 mg day
Postcycle/unleashed
Forma
Daa
Osta 25 mg day

(8-16)
Bridge
Daa
Phytoserms 347

I made it very extensive as your very shutdown and recovery will take time.

Use code joeb15 for 15%off at needtobuildmuscle.com

NTBM REP

Solid advice and awesome program...Joe knows PCT!

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Your thinking of s4, osta isnt suppressive.

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they both are. osta is anywhere close to s4 but it will still effect recovery. being on any serm this shouldnt be an issue because you will get lots of LH/FSH stimulation.

id follow all the advice given so far just up your clomid dose. 100 mg for 5-7 days to start and than taper back to 25mg over a 4wk period.

osta will keep strength high. going into pct wont have such a shock. thats what you want. idk if you want ever used any inj's but igf LR3 should also keep pct much more anabolic.

lr3/osta alone is pretty decent more muscle building. id look as it as an extension of the cycle almost......
 
Hi everyone. I need some serious advice. Id like to some veteran input in this. Perhaps Nelson Montana,needtogetaas and the other guys who work with him.

I'm looking to make a full hpta recovery and never cycle again. I have about 5 cycles under my belt within 4 year frame. Longest was 3 1/2 months. Each within a year or at least 6 month break in between. I did a superdrol cycle solo.My first injectable cycle was test p/tren ace.2nd cycle test prop/epistane/ bridged with androhard. 3rd cycle was test prop,dbol kickstart and finished with testprop/anavar. Although I believe dbol and anavar was bunk. Ive never used deca or anything else.

Currently Ive been on a "cruising" cycle with test prop alone. I started with 200 mgs /week and tapered down to 100.Ive been on for just over 2 months now. I use arimidex to control estrogen because im really sensitive to estrogen. I do have slight gyno and even at such dosage it can grow or become painful.

I practice mixed martial arts and I train 6 times a week,sometimes twice a day.This low dosage works for me and gives me the little extra edge I need.

However due to psychological issues of being up and down consistently I have decided to stop using gear all together..

So I want to make the perfect recovery. Ive used primordial performance's TRS stack before and it wasnt as efficient as I thought it would be.

When I was doing internet research I came across n2bm products and the great reviews their products has. So I want to give their products a try.

Im currently seeing a endocrinologist. However he has no clue about getting guys off cycle. He is young and inexperienced. He told me to taper down gradually over a 4 week period. Going from 25 mg/eod shots all the way down to 5 mg eod shots. Then he wants me coming in for a bloodwork 2 weeks AFTER I'm done pinning.He does not have any PCT program for me during these 2 weeks I wait to see him.However he is willing to prescribe clomid or HCG. I asked him for HCG and he prescribed me inter-muscular HCG. I have it but I plan not to use it till cycle is over.

I got about another 4 weeks left in my cycle. I can extend it longer,or come off sooner depending on the advice I get.
I have blackmarket clomid(although i can get prescription)
I also have prescription HCG. I have never used HCG properly,so I have faith in it.
I want to add in hcgenerate,bridge and unleashed(if necessary) in my pct.

Also id like to add that Ive been shutdown from my cycle prior to this. I felt fine and then suddenly I got sick after 2 months ive been off and I couldnt eat. Low libido,lost weight,no motivation,felt like shit.This caused me to hop back on test alone and do a proper PCT in the end. My testes were in normal range when I got checked. No severe shrinkage at all. I had bloodwork done when I was sick and my test was at 470,which is fairly low for a 24 year old.

I have a few questions.

1)Should I use hcgenerate at the end of my cycle or use it in PCT with HCG or use it at the end and beggining of pct?
2)How much HCG should I use and how long?
3) Would adding clomid to the mix help at all? ( My body reacts really good to clomid. I want the best recovery possible as I will never touch AAS again)
5)If I have arimidex,would forma stozol still have any beneficial effects?
6) Can I extend the use of hcgenerate ?
7) Should I stack bridge in PCT or use it as stand alone
8) Can I add unleashed/post cycle to the PCT mix?

Other add ins to pct will be alots of creatine and glutamine,bcaas,beta alanine,citrilune malate . Plenty of Vitamin C,vitamin E. Alot of healthy fats. Possibly extra tribilus dosage.

id follow all the advice given so far just up your clomid dose. 100 mg for 5-7 days to start and than taper back to 25mg over a 4wk period.

osta will keep strength high. going into pct wont have such a shock. thats what you want. idk if you want ever used any inj's but igf LR3 should also keep pct much more anabolic.

lr3/osta alone is pretty decent more muscle building. id look as it as an extension of the cycle almost......[/QUOTE]

Don't do 100mg of clomid stick at 25mg, while I don't typically recommend igf I'm gonna agree in this case on it but keep it low 20-25mcg is more then enough, I don't think ostarine would be the best idea to run if trying to fully recover since it is suppressive to an extent but as stated not to the extent of s-4 but di not believe the constant lie preached about osta not being suppressive however if you we're going to use it 12.5-15mg is more then enough, may want to consider some torem at 90,60,60,30 in addition to 25mg of clomid, hcg should be at 500iu a week not 1000iu, unleashed post cycle is a must, daa at 3g a day is a must, forma stanzol or aromasin is important

I would like Dylan to put some input into this as I would take his advice into higher consideration then most others here
 
id follow all the advice given so far just up your clomid dose. 100 mg for 5-7 days to start and than taper back to 25mg over a 4wk period.

osta will keep strength high. going into pct wont have such a shock. thats what you want. idk if you want ever used any inj's but igf LR3 should also keep pct much more anabolic.

lr3/osta alone is pretty decent more muscle building. id look as it as an extension of the cycle almost......[/QUOTE]

Don't do 100mg of clomid stick at 25mg, while I don't typically recommend igf I'm gonna agree in this case on it but keep it low 20-25mcg is more then enough, I don't think ostarine would be the best idea to run if trying to fully recover since it is suppressive to an extent but as stated not to the extent of s-4 but please do not buy into the lie that osta isn't suppressive however if you we're going to use it 12.5-15mg is more then enough, may want to consider some torem at 90,60,60,30 in addition to 25mg of clomid, hcg should be at 500iu a week not 1000iu, unleashed post cycle is a must, daa at 3g a day is a must, forma stanzol or aromasin is important

I would like to see Dylan's input on this as I would take his input into higher consideration then most others here
 
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