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Arnold Schwarzenegger was one of the most genetically gifted bodybuilders in history, you've got to remember that his calves weren't genetically great. In fact, Arnold's calf girth was downright embarrassing.

So what strategy did the greatest bodybuilder of all time employ to build his calves? I'll let him tell you:

"I train them 30 to 45 minutes a day, six days a week." (1) NOTE HIS WORDS, SIX DAYS A WEEK !

Okay, so he trained them six days a week, but did he do anything else? According to his book, he also sought to stimulate his calves throughout the day. For those who wanted bigger calves, he said:

"When you are walking, make an effort to go all the way up on your toes... " (1)

Six days of training per week along with tricks to stimulate the calves throughout the day. That's a lot of frequency!


What do you guys think about this kind of training by were you hit the same muscle every few days and not just once a week ????
 
Arnold was known for exaggerating his workouts.

Witnesses have said for a long time that Arnold could barely do 6 pullups with bodyweight, not the high reps with weight hanging off him like he says.
 
Bigreds said:
Arnold Schwarzenegger was one of the most genetically gifted bodybuilders in history, you've got to remember that his calves weren't genetically great. In fact, Arnold's calf girth was downright embarrassing.

So what strategy did the greatest bodybuilder of all time employ to build his calves? I'll let him tell you:

"I train them 30 to 45 minutes a day, six days a week." (1) NOTE HIS WORDS, SIX DAYS A WEEK !

Okay, so he trained them six days a week, but did he do anything else? According to his book, he also sought to stimulate his calves throughout the day. For those who wanted bigger calves, he said:

"When you are walking, make an effort to go all the way up on your toes... " (1)

Six days of training per week along with tricks to stimulate the calves throughout the day. That's a lot of frequency!


What do you guys think about this kind of training by were you hit the same muscle every few days and not just once a week ????
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Sometimes you have to put what he says in perspective. Since his calves were so terrible, he would do standing calf raises in-between sets, instead of resting. So if you do that, plus 5 minutes here and 5 mintes there of calf raises throughout the day, it adds up.

I've done both high volume training and HIT, and both work. 3 days on/1 off is a six day a week workout and is very effective. I just know for myself, if I'm not sweating and busting my ass,the workout was useless. Everyone is different and things may work for one guy, but may not work for the next guy. You have to know what works for you. PLus, the theory of overtraining changes when youre on tons of gear. Im sure you know the benefits.
 
arnold's workouts are all overtraining imo. six days a week is just stupid sorry. when would they recover on the lucky seven and rest like god. palease
 
Most of his stuff is probably blown a little out of proportion. And look at Arnold compared to the rest of the guys currently. Arnold is a lot smaller than current standards. For those that don't want to look like todays BB's. This just means that by working out smarter that you still don't have to lift as extreme as today's pro's. More than likely no matter how hard you try you won't look like them anyways.
 
AAP said:
Arnold was known for exaggerating his workouts.

Witnesses have said for a long time that Arnold could barely do 6 pullups with bodyweight, not the high reps with weight hanging off him like he says.
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To train like Arnold CLAIMED to have trained would have you in the gym for hours at a time.
 
AAP said:
Arnold was known for exaggerating his workouts.

Witnesses have said for a long time that Arnold could barely do 6 pullups with bodyweight, not the high reps with weight hanging off him like he says.
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Common have you watched pumping iron the guys back was his best feature aside his arms. His back looked like he could pullup an easy 300lbs. I highly doubt that he could only do 6 pullups of his own body weight.
 
funny that a lot of the other bodybuilders from his era say different.
 
AAP said:
funny that a lot of the other bodybuilders from his era say different.
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But alot of bodybuilders of his era didn't like him either, those ones would atleast not have anything good to say about him.
 
A lof of bodybuilders can't do tons of pullups. There bodyweight is to much many a times. Arnold's heaviet was like 250 so he could have probably done more pullups than 6, but it would not surprise me if he didn't do a lot.
 
ap282 said:
Common have you watched pumping iron the guys back was his best feature aside his arms. His back looked like he could pullup an easy 300lbs. I highly doubt that he could only do 6 pullups of his own body weight.
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Its come on first off. 2nd are you a retard, his back was best behind his arms. What about his chest??? He had one of the thickest chests ever, even judging by today's standards. His chest was his best asset, then his arms followed by back.
 
mlong23 said:
Most of his stuff is probably blown a little out of proportion. And look at Arnold compared to the rest of the guys currently. Arnold is a lot smaller than current standards. For those that don't want to look like todays BB's. This just means that by working out smarter that you still don't have to lift as extreme as today's pro's. More than likely no matter how hard you try you won't look like them anyways.
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I couldn't disagree more... Arnold was just as big as anyone these days, only his legs were smaller.
 
It's said that he used to go camping in the woods every once in a while with his training buddies; whats in his picnic basket: Squat rack, Women and booze
 
Bigreds said:
Arnold Schwarzenegger was one of the most genetically gifted bodybuilders in history, you've got to remember that his calves weren't genetically great. In fact, Arnold's calf girth was downright embarrassing.

So what strategy did the greatest bodybuilder of all time employ to build his calves? I'll let him tell you:

"I train them 30 to 45 minutes a day, six days a week." (1) NOTE HIS WORDS, SIX DAYS A WEEK !

Okay, so he trained them six days a week, but did he do anything else? According to his book, he also sought to stimulate his calves throughout the day. For those who wanted bigger calves, he said:

"When you are walking, make an effort to go all the way up on your toes... " (1)

Six days of training per week along with tricks to stimulate the calves throughout the day. That's a lot of frequency!


What do you guys think about this kind of training by were you hit the same muscle every few days and not just once a week ????
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arnold was the man...he could push himself farther then most people would have ever dreamed off..... and anyone who talked shit about him in his day was jealous
 
Ilovetolift said:
I couldn't disagree more... Arnold was just as big as anyone these days, only his legs were smaller.
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Are you serious. That is amazing. Arnold was great, but please everyone get off of his cock. If you want that physique than go for it, but don't say he was as big as today's pros except for the legs. He was 6'4 and competed at like 230-235. Ronnie is 5'11 at 280 and Jay is 5'9 at about 265-270. Is the extra 50 pounds in Ronnie's legs??? Get real. Plus Arnold was as never as ripped and dry as is the current standards.

Arnold had small shoulders when comparing to current pros, no legs, not a super wide and thick back. Franco had a better back than Arnold. His arms were huge but were not full as the current pros.

It all come down to trying to compare older pros to new pros. Who is better Michael Jordan or Pistol Pete? People develop and get smarter as time goes on, so it only makes sense that we are better off than the guys who paved the way for us 20-30 years ago.

I am an Arnold fan, but please everyone quit deepthroating him. ;)
 
He overtrained His legs but He was one of the best ever and took megadoses of dope so I guess He could regenerate fast, as long as for the current standarts Ronnie can be classified as better than Arnold)...
He was smaller but more ripped than Ronnie.
In MY opinion Arnold looked much more fitted than Ronnie.
 
Wow, this thread changed directions fast..... Well, I gotta say that Calves were a big weak spot for me when I 1st started training..... I actually read alot of what Arnold wrote, and adopted some of his principles to blast my calves..... The one principle that reallly worked for me was HEAVY WEIGHT..... I focused on doing as much weight as I could with the calves, and the best exercise for this is Calve Raises on a Leg Press machine..... I would load up the machine, and have someone help me get the weight up, and do reps..... If I could do less then 4 reps, I'd take some weight off..... If I could do more then 6 reps, I put more weight on..... Eventually, I was doing 800lb raises.... Calves are very strong if you push the shit out of them..... After doing 4 sets of this, I would do heavy Donkey Raises..... Again, enough weight where I could do no more then 6 reps, but no less then 4...... After that, I would do standing calf raises with no weight.... Just blast out as many as humanly possible, untill your calves are ON FIRE and you can barely walk..... I did 4 sets of these, and by that time, my calves were engourged with blood...... I don't know, maybe it was the heavy weight sets, combined with the high rep training afterwards, but I got great calf growth from that routine..... Took me a lil over a year, and I finally had the calves I always wanted..... I also only trained them ONCE per week, whether if I was on AAS or not...... I know you recover faster on AAS, but I don't use that as an excuse to train more..... We all know rest is when we grow, so rest is even more important when on AAS.....

As for the Arnold rumors, there sure are plenty of them..... I think the 1 thing we all can agree on about Arnold is that he took BB'ing into the Mainstream..... As many of you older guys will know, BB'rs were look at as Gay or weird in the 60's..... I'm not sure why, but they were.... Arnold was the 1st really popular BBing ICON, and took the sport into the Mainstream..... The guy had great genetics, and a great physique.... Sure, he's not as big as todays Pro's, but they have alot more drugs today then Arnold had..... In my mind, Arnold will always be the best BB'r of all time.....

rizz
 
mlong23 said:
Are you serious. That is amazing. Arnold was great, but please everyone get off of his cock. If you want that physique than go for it, but don't say he was as big as today's pros except for the legs. He was 6'4 and competed at like 230-235. Ronnie is 5'11 at 280 and Jay is 5'9 at about 265-270. Is the extra 50 pounds in Ronnie's legs??? Get real. Plus Arnold was as never as ripped and dry as is the current standards.

Arnold had small shoulders when comparing to current pros, no legs, not a super wide and thick back. Franco had a better back than Arnold. His arms were huge but were not full as the current pros.
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I'm not a huge fan of Arnold, more a Mentzer/Benfatto/Vince Taylor type of guy. But Arnold is not 6'4" first of all, he's 6'2" barely. And he didnt have access to the type of drugs today, especially the HGH. So Ronnie has a 1/2 inch bigger bicep than everyone else, but he also has a gut and legs that touch at the knees. Also, ppl forget that alot of this "mass" comes from the overgrown visceral organs from GH.That's got to add an additional 15-20lbs. I personally don't care if someone is comepeting at 280 lbs and is massive. The word "gut" and Mr. Olympia should never be uttered in the same paragraph. It's the antithesis of profesional bodybuilding. Regular Joe's have fkn "guts"! ONe thing I see less and less , which almost doesnt exist anymore except for guys like Dexter is the striated lower back xmas tree. That's a true sign of conditioning and muscle seperation. I could care less about the Olympia and most of todays pros. I was satisfied when Paul Dillet signified the "freak" look. And it was only for show, no1 took it seriously. Arnold looked fkn awesome, plain and simple. There were guys who were bigger than Arnold back then, but the total package was like looking at a greek sculpture.
 
i dunno guys
i triain 6 days a week hitting everything 2X a week and calves 3x a week to bring em up

not quite the volume arnold claimed but i would lean more toward high volume, high frequency than HIT training
too many chances for injury and tears with HIT training. look @ poor dorian
 
toxicsambo said:
I'm not a huge fan of Arnold, more a Mentzer/Benfatto/Vince Taylor type of guy. But Arnold is not 6'4" first of all, he's 6'2" barely. And he didnt have access to the type of drugs today, especially the HGH. So Ronnie has a 1/2 inch bigger bicep than everyone else, but he also has a gut and legs that touch at the knees. Also, ppl forget that alot of this "mass" comes from the overgrown visceral organs from GH.That's got to add an additional 15-20lbs. I personally don't care if someone is comepeting at 280 lbs and is massive. The word "gut" and Mr. Olympia should never be uttered in the same paragraph. It's the antithesis of profesional bodybuilding. Regular Joe's have fkn "guts"! ONe thing I see less and less , which almost doesnt exist anymore except for guys like Dexter is the striated lower back xmas tree. That's a true sign of conditioning and muscle seperation. I could care less about the Olympia and most of todays pros. I was satisfied when Paul Dillet signified the "freak" look. And it was only for show, no1 took it seriously. Arnold looked fkn awesome, plain and simple. There were guys who were bigger than Arnold back then, but the total package was like looking at a greek sculpture.
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i definately agree with the Xmas tree part. I love that look
 
toxicsambo said:
I'm not a huge fan of Arnold, more a Mentzer/Benfatto/Vince Taylor type of guy. But Arnold is not 6'4" first of all, he's 6'2" barely. And he didnt have access to the type of drugs today, especially the HGH. So Ronnie has a 1/2 inch bigger bicep than everyone else, but he also has a gut and legs that touch at the knees. Also, ppl forget that alot of this "mass" comes from the overgrown visceral organs from GH.That's got to add an additional 15-20lbs. I personally don't care if someone is comepeting at 280 lbs and is massive. The word "gut" and Mr. Olympia should never be uttered in the same paragraph. It's the antithesis of profesional bodybuilding. Regular Joe's have fkn "guts"! ONe thing I see less and less , which almost doesnt exist anymore except for guys like Dexter is the striated lower back xmas tree. That's a true sign of conditioning and muscle seperation. I could care less about the Olympia and most of todays pros. I was satisfied when Paul Dillet signified the "freak" look. And it was only for show, no1 took it seriously. Arnold looked fkn awesome, plain and simple. There were guys who were bigger than Arnold back then, but the total package was like looking at a greek sculpture.
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You are right he is 6'2, I think I was thinking of Ferrigno when I said 6'4. Get serious, if you are going to try and say that 15-20lbs is in the guys internal organs. Did you see the photos of the last Mr. O. I am not a Ronnie fan, but the guy lost an inch or more off of his waist. The lower back tree, Jay & Ronnie both have that. If you want to talk about conditioning, then look at their glutes.

I guess we can disagree here, but I think you need to look at a few of the pro's of todays standards vs. the 60's era. If you want the classical look, take a look at Mark Dugdale, Dexter, Melvin Anthony, Troy Alves and there are more. Those are all current pro's who could probably beat all of the 60-70's bodybuilders. Those 4 guys are the ones that come to my mind right now, and they epitomize the classical greek look of aesthetics that you are talking about. Everyone has their favorites but when comparing two different eras the current will almost always be better in any sport. Drugs and evolution of training and diet are typically why they are always better.
 
well i know one thing he did do a great thing for the sport.. because u ask pple who have no idea about BBing if they know of any BBers they will always say Arnold .. none of the youth today know who coleman or cutler is they all know Arnie tho lol
 
mlong23 said:
Heres a picture of Ronnie. He has a huge gut. This is probably a few years old.

http://www.onewaysystem.com/images/olimpiak_albuma/ronnie_coleman.jpg
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Yeah a couple of yrs. He's ripped obviously, just that the standard is getting comical. The past couple of years he sacrificed conditioning for size, then last year the "waist line deduction" came about because its such a problem, so he was forced to drop weight. Seriously though, his intestines must weigh about the same as Tattoo from Fantasy Island.

Anyway, as far as the point of the post, intensity is the key. If you dont do alot of volume you better damn well be lifting seriously heavy with every trick (negatives, partials, etc) imaginable. What's worse than the possiblity of overtraining? Not training hard enough and too little. If you wake up tomorrow and dont feel soreness in the muscle you worked out the day before, you wasted a fkn day. Plain and simple.
 
Wulfgar said:
i dunno guys
i triain 6 days a week hitting everything 2X a week and calves 3x a week to bring em up

not quite the volume arnold claimed but i would lean more toward high volume, high frequency than HIT training
too many chances for injury and tears with HIT training. look @ poor dorian
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HIT TRAINING ??? and what happend to dorian ???
 
Speaking of Dorian, he is training Chris Cormier for the Olympia this year. Chris moved over to England and Dorian said he is going to straighten him out. Damn, Chris finally being forced to do everything hardcore and no party scene? He might be the dark horse come Olympia.

As for Arnold and his workouts, the man was one of a kind. He's accomplished more than just about anybody. Could he beat the pro's of today? Who cares, I'm sure he doesn't. If he were young in this day and age, I think he would have became a pro wrestler then an actor. Being a pro today and all it takes doesn't seem to fit into the plans he always had. But if Arnold did have access to the methods and drugs availible today, I'm sure he could win over all. He used mind games too, and nobody seems to get to Arnold.
 
mlong23 said:
Are you serious. That is amazing. Arnold was great, but please everyone get off of his cock. If you want that physique than go for it, but don't say he was as big as today's pros except for the legs. He was 6'4 and competed at like 230-235. Ronnie is 5'11 at 280 and Jay is 5'9 at about 265-270. Is the extra 50 pounds in Ronnie's legs??? Get real. Plus Arnold was as never as ripped and dry as is the current standards.

Arnold had small shoulders when comparing to current pros, no legs, not a super wide and thick back. Franco had a better back than Arnold. His arms were huge but were not full as the current pros.

It all come down to trying to compare older pros to new pros. Who is better Michael Jordan or Pistol Pete? People develop and get smarter as time goes on, so it only makes sense that we are better off than the guys who paved the way for us 20-30 years ago.

I am an Arnold fan, but please everyone quit deepthroating him. ;)
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Bro you are fucking joke the only reason Arnold didnt compete at a weight of 280lbs is because of fucking science. 25 years ago there wasnt even close to the variety of steroids that there are today, including using HGH. BBing was all an art back in the day, now its all about chemicals and science and how freaky big you can get. Judges in BBing are only looking at bigness and nothing else. If you ask almost anyone on this site they will tell you that Arnold next to Ronnie, Arnold looked way better.
 
mlong23 said:
Are you serious. That is amazing. Arnold was great, but please everyone get off of his cock. If you want that physique than go for it, but don't say he was as big as today's pros except for the legs. He was 6'4 and competed at like 230-235. Ronnie is 5'11 at 280 and Jay is 5'9 at about 265-270. Is the extra 50 pounds in Ronnie's legs??? Get real. Plus Arnold was as never as ripped and dry as is the current standards.

Arnold had small shoulders when comparing to current pros, no legs, not a super wide and thick back. Franco had a better back than Arnold. His arms were huge but were not full as the current pros.

It all come down to trying to compare older pros to new pros. Who is better Michael Jordan or Pistol Pete? People develop and get smarter as time goes on, so it only makes sense that we are better off than the guys who paved the way for us 20-30 years ago.

I am an Arnold fan, but please everyone quit deepthroating him. ;)
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I shook Arnold's hand in Sacramento and he was no taller than me; 5'11". Like almost every celebrity, he exagerates his height. Either that or he shrank when he stopped all the roids. :)

I read that people were suspicious that Arnold got calf implants because he had trouble develping them for years then returned from a trip to Europe suddenly sporting big, developed calves.

If he did get implants, it's pretty shitty to recommend to other people to train their calves 6 days a week.
 
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Arnold probably took Grorm, or whatever, GH from the pituitary of cadavers. It was available back then and if anyone had access and the willingness to take it, it would be Arnold. I read Arnold said if eating shit would give him muscle then he'd eat shit. :RADAR
 
ap282 said:
Bro you are fucking joke the only reason Arnold didnt compete at a weight of 280lbs is because of fucking science. 25 years ago there wasnt even close to the variety of steroids that there are today, including using HGH. BBing was all an art back in the day, now its all about chemicals and science and how freaky big you can get. Judges in BBing are only looking at bigness and nothing else. If you ask almost anyone on this site they will tell you that Arnold next to Ronnie, Arnold looked way better.
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That is kind of the point that I was getting at, is that science has improved and bodybuilders today are much better than those of yesterdays. No one knows if he could be 280 or not if he competed in todays world. Too hard to say that. I don't really care about everyones opinion on whether Arnold looks better than Ronnie. Again that is their personal opinion. I am not a Ronnie fan, although I am a Jay fan. I think Jay looks better than Arnold at his prime. Again, this is my personal opinion.

I think that some of the pro's that I mentioned earlier that are the lighter competitors, 240 lbs and under would have beaten Arnold if going for a classical look.
 
nydj66 said:
I shook Arnold's hand in Sacramento and he was no taller than me; 5'11". Like almost every celebrity, he exagerates his height. Either that or he shrank when he stopped all the roids. :)
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People shrink as they get older. He is in his upper 50's I think. Along with squats and aging, he has probably lost around 2 inches in height.
 
When I watch coleman videos I have to put it on mute. The guy is annoying. And he'll leave a great legacy behind when he's dead at 55-60. Big deal. Plus he's a cop who obtains narcotics, even if he does have a script for them, the dr. is breaking the law. The guy is a puke in my opinion.
 
nydj66 said:
I read that people were suspicious that Arnold got calf implants because he had trouble develping them for years then returned from a trip to Europe suddenly sporting big, developed calves.

If he did get implants, it's pretty shitty to recommend to other people to train their calves 6 days a week.
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lOOKS LIKE i'M NOT THE ONLY ONE
 
Arnold was the man plain and simple.... Ronnie is also the man plain and simple. But Ronnie's along with the guts of today should be intolerable as i'm sure it would have been back then. Just imagine Arnold or Columbo or Lou walking around looking pregnant @ 5-8 or even 10% BF.. Those Gh guts look like gorrllia stomachs on top of there natty stomachs. And i have to agree with the notion that some of that size and weight is because of the intestinal organs enlarged. Clearly Gh is the culprit from today and yesteryear...
 
BBkingpin said:
Thanks, brother. :)
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Dude your legs and back are sick as hell bro, good job. The vains are so vas. too how do you keep them vas like that. I take 3g L Arginanine a day and it seems to help but I cant get my legs to get vas.
 
Arnold is not 6'4. he is 5'11-6'0.
Secondly, he competed at 230-235 like people say.

His upper body was comparable to that of todays people. His legs were considerably smaller by todays standards. Add 30lbs of meat on each of his legs and his weight would be up their. 1 thing people are forgetting.

HE WASNT TAKING GH like todays body builders. i think the old school physiques of hard work, the chizzled look is much nicer than the fat bloated GH look of todays body builders.

just my .02
 
Arnold was the man plain and simple.... Ronnie is also the man plain and simple. But Ronnie's along with the guts of today should be intolerable as i'm sure it would have been back then. Just imagine Arnold or Columbo or Lou walking around looking pregnant @ 5-8 or even 10% BF.. >>>>>>>>>>

Actually believe it or not, Lou is actually the one who started the gut look. To get ready for the 92-94 Olympia's (the 94 was a Master's O), he wanted to get back into shape and add size quick. Many people around him say he was doing a kit of gh every week, slin and a ton of sauce. If you watch Stand Tall (sorta like a pumping iron sequel, following Lou getting ready for the 94 Masters O), you can see how his gut just hangs out all the time, even at 3-4%. It was sad. But I will say one thing, he was huge. 310 at 6'5, compared to 268 in Pumping Iron, and a lot less bodyfat too.
 
Both are great athletes of their time....I will say though there has been some implementation that the IFBB sais that guts have to trim down for future contests...it was either that or the Arnold Classic..
 
Neo22 said:
What do you usually do for back?
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That pic is after nine months no back or bis whatsoever.
If I resume back and bis, God willing, I will really show you something.

But when I train back, it was always wg pull ups and/or bent rows.
I follow HIT, one max set after a warm up.
 
Castro_bigdog said:
Dude your legs and back are sick as hell bro, good job. The vains are so vas. too how do you keep them vas like that. I take 3g L Arginanine a day and it seems to help but I cant get my legs to get vas.
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I think it's genetic thing, bro. I hear from doctors/nurses all the time how vascular I am.
 
There is alot of bs surrounding Arnold. I believe he had a super strong work ethic and was willing to put in the hours required to achieve the results he needed to win.

I believe he had normal calve size for his frame and then did a lot of heavy weighted sets. The hard work he put in built up the muscle.

I also believe he was a showman unashamedly promoting himself. Nothing wrong with that. I watched him "hold court" once in Columbus ... I was standing next to Ed Corney as suddenly the lights and cameras came on, a crowd of people gathered around him and he just started talking. It was amazing.
 
I personally think that regardless of if you do or dont like Ronnies look you must still respect what he's done with his body. He has took it to a level non of us have seen before. As I said some may like it, some may not but he put's the work in and we cant knock that.

I dont like Ronnies look myself but I dont like when people slag him off and give the guy no credit when doing so.


Just my 2 cent's
 
A friend of mine has just got out form doing a 10 year streach and has joined the gym we all train at. He's Tri's are the best I have ever seen on anyone that dont take AAS. Put it this way they are bigger than anyone's in the gym and alot of the guys here use AAS and have trained for years.

He said he worked his way up to doing 1000 push up's a day.
 
thelion2005 said:
There is alot of bs surrounding Arnold. I believe he had a super strong work ethic and was willing to put in the hours required to achieve the results he needed to win.

I believe he had normal calve size for his frame and then did a lot of heavy weighted sets. The hard work he put in built up the muscle.

I also believe he was a showman unashamedly promoting himself. Nothing wrong with that. I watched him "hold court" once in Columbus ... I was standing next to Ed Corney as suddenly the lights and cameras came on, a crowd of people gathered around him and he just started talking. It was amazing.
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Good post
 
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