Are You Still Using This? STOP!!!

[needtogetaas]

To be honest, no. I have been reading up a little on it though and I see a lot of guys using it with good results so that in itself is testament to a good product. I'm just wary of anything I don't know a lot about or able to find good research on.

so pm me bro ill se what I can do about sending you a free bottle..I know once you try it you will change your mind about using any thing else for pct bro.

 

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PM sent!

 

[Nelson Montana]

Def. good info, but it seems the only the reason you create these threads is to use a different method to promote your products. I do respect you and you know your shit but damn thats all I see lately is good info by you followed by your products to fix the problem.

Hey bro, capitalism at its finest. Without it, we have no Rockefeller Center, no highways, no TV, no computers, no music. It's the imputus for provided service. The bottomline is, is the service good? That's all that matters. if you get information that helps, you win. If you decide not to spend a penny, you win. If you decide to try a prodyct and it works for you, you win. Why anyone has a problem with that, I'll never know.

 

[hyp1]

I think nelsons deal is though why take one drug to counter act another. I have udes Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - once before and just started it again today. i have never had a problem with it. we will see what happens with this one.

Whatcha been up to brotha?

not much bro,how the fuck you been?

I just find the generalizations that nelson makes kinda comical........especially about using vet grade gear,by his comments you would think EVERYONE was getting test flu from using it.oddly enough I've used shitloads of vet grade testosterone enanthate I got from south america,I've also used a shitload of trenbolone acetate and never experienced any type of of flu like symptoms....just really good gains.

also there is a lot of scientific evidence that nolvadex works and works well,and is far from ever being outdated in the bodybuilding community.however the same can't be said of nelsons products,unfortunately.
is it ok for him to try and sell his products?why yes of course....are they backed up his claims backed up by scientific data?not that I've seen anyway.

as far as deca durabolin being out dated that's yet another claim I find extremely premature.literally thousands of deca durabolin users that love the gains they are experiencing would argue about that.sexual side effects can be minimized with the proper amount of testosterone.

 

[layinback]

not much bro,how the fuck you been?

I just find the generalizations that nelson makes kinda comical........especially about using vet grade gear,by his comments you would think EVERYONE was getting test flu from using it.oddly enough I've used shitloads of vet grade testosterone enanthate I got from south america,I've also used a shitload of trenbolone acetate and never experienced any type of of flu like symptoms....just really good gains.

also there is a lot of scientific evidence that nolvadex works and works well,and is far from ever being outdated in the bodybuilding community.however the same can't be said of nelsons products,unfortunately.
is it ok for him to try and sell his products?why yes of course....are they backed up his claims backed up by scientific data?not that I've seen anyway.

as far as Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - durabolin being out dated that's yet another claim I find extremely premature.literally thousands of Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - durabolin users that love the gains they are experiencing would argue about that.sexual side effects can be minimized with the proper amount of testosterone.

where the hell you been? good to see you posting bro.

 

[fpc4ever]

It's exactly as it appears... a way to create controversy and bring attention to his supplements and they're different "selling points". I have nothing against it tho and might try out a product or 2 sometime.

 

[hyp1]

where the hell you been? good to see you posting bro.

thanks bro,

honestly?I've been checking out other boards the shit on here got a little too hypocritical for me.

great to see you too

 

[Nelson Montana]

not much bro,how the fuck you been?

I just find the generalizations that nelson makes kinda comical........especially about using vet grade gear,by his comments you would think EVERYONE was getting test flu from using it.


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NOT THE POINT BRO. THE FACT THAT PEOPLE GET THOSE SIDES TELL YOU SOMETHINGS UP. YOU'VE BEEN LUCKY. THAT'S GREAT. BUT I'M CALLING IT LIKE I SEE IT.



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also there is a lot of scientific evidence that nolvadex works and works well,and is far from ever being outdated in the bodybuilding community.

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NOT TRUE. THERE'S A LOT OF SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE THAT IT WORKS IN TREATING BREAST CANCER. THAT'S NOT THE DEAL HERE. AND I'VE ALREADY SAID, THAT IT'S THE BEST THING TO USE IN GYNO IS COMING ON. BUT GYNO CAN BE PREVENTED. AND I SEE GUYS DOING WINSTROL AND PRIMMO CYCLES AND USING NOLVA. IT'S POINLTESS. IT'S LIKE USING AN AIR CONDITIONER AT THE NORTH POLE.



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however the same can't be said of nelsons products,unfortunately.

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QUITE A BIT OF SCIENCE , QUITE A BIT OF ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE AND A HELL OF A LOT OF SATISFIED CUSTOMERS. DON'T KNOCK IT TILL YOU TRY IT.


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is it ok for him to try and sell his products?why yes of course....are they backed up his claims backed up by scientific data?not that I've seen anyway.

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CHECK OUT THE THREAD ON "THE MOST OVERLOOKED MUSCLE BUILDING SUBSTANCE." IT CONTAINS FIVE STUDIES FROM UNBIASED SCIENTIFIC JOURNALS.

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as far as Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - durabolin being out dated that's yet another claim I find extremely premature.literally thousands of Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - durabolin users that love the gains they are experiencing would argue about that.

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LOTS OF PEOPLE LIKE LOTS OF THINGS. LIKE I SAID, IF IT WORKS FOR YOU, GREAT. BUT DON'T DENY IT CAUSES PROBLEMS.

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sexual side effects can be minimized with the proper amount of testosterone.

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WHICH CAUSES FURTHER SUPPRESSION

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[mackman]

So the AF guys were assholes for giving advice and pimping their products but your advice is the gospel? Give me a fuckin break. Have you ever done Tren?

 

[hyp1]

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NOT THE POINT BRO. THE FACT THAT PEOPLE GET THOSE SIDES TELL YOU SOMETHINGS UP. YOU'VE BEEN LUCKY. THAT'S GREAT. BUT I'M CALLING IT LIKE I SEE IT.


NOT TRUE. THERE'S A LOT OF SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE THAT IT WORKS IN TREATING BREAST CANCER. THAT'S NOT THE DEAL HERE. AND I'VE ALREADY SAID, THAT IT'S THE BEST THING TO USE IN gynecomastia IS COMING ON. BUT GYNO CAN BE PREVENTED. AND I SEE GUYS DOING WINSTROL AND PRIMMO CYCLES AND USING Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - . IT'S POINLTESS. IT'S LIKE USING AN AIR CONDITIONER AT THE NORTH POLE.

LOTS OF PEOPLE LIKE LOTS OF THINGS. LIKE I SAID, IF IT WORKS FOR YOU, GREAT. BUT DON'T DENY IT CAUSES PROBLEMS.

the fact most people don't get sides from vet grade gear and to say that most people do is a HUGE GENERALIZATION and not based in fact at all.

hmm no scientific evidence that nolvadex doesn't work for bodybuilding and to increase natural testosterone production?sorry bro but I strongly disagree.

In men,nolvadex acts as anti-estrogen in its capacity to oppose the negative feedback of estrogens on the hypothalamus and stimulate the heightened release of GnRH (Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone). LH output by the pituitary will be increased as a result,which in turn can increase the level of testosterone by the testes.

What was found, just in the early parts of the study, was quite enlightening. Nolvadex, used for 10 days at a dosage of 20mg daily, increased serum testosterone levels to 142% of baseline.The tests showed that after ten days of treatment with Nolvadex, pituitary sensitivity to GnRH increased slightly compared to pre-treated values.

As the study with Nolvadex progresses to 6 weeks, pituitary sensitivity to GnRH was significantly higher than pre-treated or 10-day levels. At this point the same 20mg dosage was also raising testosterone and LH levels to an average of 183% and 172% of base values, respectively, which again is measurably higher than what was noted 10 days into therapy.

it's great for when we are looking to restore a balanced HPTA, and would not want to desensitize the pituitary to GnRH.

I've never denied that deca durabolin can shut you down and trenbolone too for that matter....but as I've said measures can be taken to prevent being entirely shut down....and it's a seriously simple matter imo.