Are you Really Strong?????

[Lord_Suston]

I got a question for all of you.... how do you know if you are really strong???? I personally don't think that lifting a lot of weight means strength when you weigh a lot...

So does anyone have any Lifted weight: to body weight ratios.
I want to find out what to shoot for. I figure squating for average peolple is their own BW (bodyweight) and for strong people is 2times their BW and for those genetic freaks and AS users 3times your BW means your close to being a comic book character.

So please tell me what you think and try to write 3 types Average/ Strong/ Unreal.....

 

[Victor]

So does anyone have any Lifted weight: to body weight ratios.

IMO the best way to determine this is push ups and pull ups

I can do 60 non stop perfect push ups , have to try pull ups to see how much I can do ..



Victor

 

[Omega44]

i disagree with ur statment that strength is relavent to body mass. ur saying a 140pound guy benching 200pounds is stronger then a 200pound guy benching 340??? nah man. sterength is strength regardless to size. thats just my opinion.

 

[Lord_Suston]

Omega44 that's your opinion bro and thank you for replying, but I gotta ask you when you go to a gym and see a three hundred pound lard ass put up maybe 315 with sloppy form and gloat that he is strong while you(Lets hypothetically say 200lbs) and put up 275 who do you really think is stronger? Is there anylift that determines overall strength? Just curious and I don't want to seem picky all imputs are welcome.

 

[Big Buck]

6' 250lbs..generally around 10-12% bf

I can almost press 2x my bodyweight...but 500lbs is alot of weight too...It'll be awhile before I actually do it....LOL

I can easily squat 2x my bodyweight...but don't think I'll get 3x my bodyweight (750lbs) any time soon.

 

[reconnect]

well its easy the guy who lift the heaviest weight the longest (thinking of arm or leg length) is the strongest man....

 

[Bar Room Hero]

Whomever pushes the most weight is the strongest. Body mass isn't everything. I'm tired of little guys placing all their problems on lack of body mass. Face it, not everyone can be a big dog. No formula is going to tell you that your 275lb bench press is heavier than my 425.

 

[Bulldog_10]

I don't think that weights have anything to do with whose the strongest. If you want to see whose stronger out of two people, just have them wrestler each other till one taps out.

Wrestling is like a total body lift. If I can dominate someone enough to make them tap out, I am stronger. If I tap out I am weaker.

 

[Bar Room Hero]

True

 

[Golfer18--old]

You cant compare a guy with short arms to a guy with long arms on bench. He is only pushing half of the way you have to push.

 

[Chuck T]

Lb for lb the smaller guy is stronger, but actually the fat guy doing more weight is, literally, stronger.

Still my room mate weighed 165 and benched 315 for a set of 3...so I would have to say he is a strong m0f0

Chuck

 

[chuck48]

I benched with on of the "small" guys today. He is 5'9" and 185. That bastard smoked 435 like it was nothing. I finally got 4 plates but i'm heavier than I usually am. 5'9" 212lbs.

 

[Golfer18--old]

Whats the equation for work?

 

[Chuck T]

its been a while, but i think it is force x distance....but I could be wrong

 

[Burgboy]

body weight is important....if not all power lifting comps would be "open"....can u imagine 120 pound dude competing with a heavy weight!

 

[getbig27]

who cares how strong anyone is.......... as long as the judges feel i have the best overall symetry , definition, size, and density i take 1st place and hopefully the overall at that particular show!!!!
lol.....

 

[solidj55]

Well first off, Im one of the small guys. I am 5'5" and I do powerlifting meets in the 165lb class. Back in September of this year I did 350lbs at a bodyweight of 165lbs. That was with a Bench Press shirt on. Two weeks before the meet I did 330lbs at 165 bodyweight without a shirt. My opinion is this, whom ever pushes the most weight is the strongest regardless of bodyweight. But at the same time, as far as percentages for the individual if a smaller guy pushes like 2 or 3 times his body weight and the big guy pushes only 15 or 20 pounds over his weight then the smaller guy is stronger in that respect. Its all in how you look at it but my final thing to say is that I agree with Bulldog_10. In real life situations the only strength that matters is who makes who tap out. Oh yea I forgot, That statement that Golfer18 made about guys with short arms being stronger is not very accurate. I hate hearing that. Its like an excuse tall weak people make when a short guy is stronger. Ive heard it most of my life, people use it as an attempt to lessen the strength of someone in order to make them look better. Not directed toward you golfer18 but thats just how I feel. I have seen really tall, monkey armed s.o.b.'s push hella weight. The distance IMO doesnt really matter, weight is weight and strength is strength. Thats my opinion. Sorry for long post.

 

[ThickLEE]

I am also tired of little guys blaming there size for lack of strength or short arms or whatever.
Who pushes and pulls the most weight in the three big lifts is the strongest to me.
My buddy is 6'2, 350lbs and benches 630, squats 800, and pulls 800.
Now thats a strong motherfucker.

 

[Behemoth]

im one of the big guys.......

ive never been critical of anyone who is pushing heavy weight no matter their size.....heavy weight is heavy wieght no matter whose pushin it.....

 

[Bar Room Hero]

I am also tired of little guys blaming there size for lack of strength or short arms or whatever.
Who pushes and pulls the most weight in the three big lifts is the strongest to me.
My buddy is 6'2, 350lbs and benches 630, squats 800, and pulls 800.
Now thats a strong motherfucker.

That certainly is a strong man. Let me see, if I multiply my weight times 0.14 and then take his weights divided by my weights.....he's still fucking stronger than I am.
I don't know if you read the thread about the kid using "roid rage" as his defense for attempted manslaughter on a police officer or not, but he was a good friend and his lifts and his size are about the same as you listed for your friend. Freaky.

 

[BigWh1tey]

strong = master class or Elite (USPF)
BW/ TOTAL(MASTER)/TOTAL(ELITE)
114/981/1064
123/1064/1157
132/1146/1246
148/1279/1394
165/1400/1527
181/1505/1642
198/1593/1731
220/1675/1824
242/1736/1890
275/1786/1946
SHW/1875/2033

so who here is strong ?

 

[Yellowbottle]

i think it also depends on the exercises that you do. Some people excell at doing push exercises, some pull, others have strong legs, and yet some have the overall package. I have a max bench of 460 at about 195 or so I am 5"7. I can only squat maybe tops 405 which is still heavy but nothing amazing. My partner can only bench 325, simialr in size, but squats 530. Both of our deadlifts are simialr. We both are pretty strong, but I excell in one thing he in the other. Thats how must of us are, there are the exceptions, they are the freaks. Size and weight have nothing to do with it. I have beaten the shit out of guys twice my size in the gym and in a fight!








"Shut the fuck up and do some push-ups motherfucker"!

 

[Hugh Gellatts]

Strength is really to vague a term, especially when you add the leverage and bodyweight factors in. I did a little throwing for Track and Field (mostly 35lb weight) and always found it funny that I was being beaten by taller heavier guys that I could easily smoke in the weight room. You see while my short limbs (I'm 5'5") let me move more weight while excerting less force(don't have to push as far) the short limbs also really limit the amount of force I can apply to a weight I am trying to throw for distance.

 

[BISONE]

i think ratio do matter that is like someone comparing a guy say 100 lbs that lifts 300lbs, to a guy that is 1000lbs and lifts 1005lbs big differance in strength and i would class the guy lighter that lifts alot more than his own bodyweight stronger.

but in real life terms without ratio the 1000lbs guy would crush the 100lbs guy but in gym terms i would say the small guy is stronger.

me personally would rather be 200lbs benching 400
than a guy 300 benching 500 as the 200 lb bloke would be quicker ,more agile etc more suitable to fighter style which im into fighting.

well i know my cousin who is 86kg (189.2lbs) who benched in competition 280kg (616lbs) took out the bench competition
(on roids off course but still fuckin strong)

 

[whiteox]

Damn - there are some strong bros on this board. I just weighed myself - 196 and am benching 435 (no shirt), squatting and pulling 615 and 605. I'll do boxsquats w/455 for reps and heavy half-squats w/765. I hurt my knee 2 weeks ago and my last two wks it's been to painful to go over 500 on squats - even with my inzer z-wraps cranked on like a cast.

That one friend of yours thicklee sounds like an animal. If he's really pulling 800 then he's one of only a handful who can do it (regardless of bodyweight).

 

[Omega44]

I don't think that weights have anything to do with whose the strongest. If you want to see whose stronger out of two people, just have them wrestler each other till one taps out.

Wrestling is like a total body lift. If I can dominate someone enough to make them tap out, I am stronger. If I tap out I am weaker.

i totall disagree with that statment!! wrestling is more like 80% skill and then the rest endurence and strength. skill has nothing to do with strength man!

 

[BuilderBenny]

Whats the equation for work?

Now we are talking bro!

This will settle this discussion with FACTS using laws of nature.

The equation for work is:

Work = F * s = m*g*s - In English: Weight * Gravity * Distance

If a person lifts 100 kg 1 meter he uses:

100 kg * 9,82 * 1,0 meter = 982 Nm = 982 Joule

This is called potential energy.

Compared to a person with short arms, who only lifts the weight 0.8 meter, the equation looks like this.

100 kg * 9.82 * 0.8 = 786 Joule

As seen, the change in energy used is in proportion with the distance you have to lift your weight.



But to find out the total MECHANICAL energy used one would have to add the kinetic energy used (energy from movement/speed).

Total Energy = Kinetic E + Potential E


KineticE = (mv^2)/2

Lets say that it takes one second to lift the weight the distance 1.0 meter, the equation would look like this.


(100 kg * 1.0s^2)/2 = 50 Nm = 50 Joule

Total Energy = 982 Joule + 50 Joule = 1032 Joule

To test how much speed affects the energy used lets test a different number. Lets do a 2.0 sec lift.

(100 kg * 2.0s^2)/2 = 200 Joule

Hereby we understand that - If you double the time used you quadruple your kinetic energy.

But the Total Energy used isn't affected "that" much by speed as by pure weight.

Total Energy = 982 Joule + 200 Joule = 1182 Joule.
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To sum it up easy. Using the formula:

Total Energy used = Kinetic Energy + Potential Energy

Is an short and easy explanation. But in comparision with what we are looking for quite near the truth. One could add extra numbers from acceleration, etc etc etc. But these two energy together is enough to prove a point.

1. The BIGGEST differance in who does the heviest work is DISTANCE the barbell/dumbell travels!!!!

2. One can't forget about how fast one moves the weight. In numbers it isn't as relevant as distance, but it makes a differance. Small? yes! But, enough to determine wether you lift the attemted weight or not!


NOTE: This is extremly importante! You can NOT use lbs or feet/inches/yards in these equations. The reason for this is that the equation is based on metric standards, sorry bro's!!!

But do use these ones -->

1 kg = 0.454 lbs

1 m = 39.4 inches

example: m g s = (100lbs/0.454) * 9.82 * (100inches/39.4)



Ok, this is a lot of mumbojumbo here,,, but Point 1 and 2 sums it up!!

PS: did I mention no one has ever given' me Karma =(

 

[Ryvor]

Whoever hits the hardest is the strongest!
I workout for strength and speed in the ring.
They last one standing is the strongest.

 

[The Shadow]

2x body weight bencher, so whatever that means...

 

[kaoz&zen]

omega, thank you.
Technique will almost always win out over strength. For those that have no clue, i am refering to the coment about "let's just have them wrestle." --Bull_10
in my personal experience I have seen a #131 hold a full match with a #215 and only lose by two points. The 215 happens to be in national top 3 (not sure of the 131's rank, but he won state twice.) This applys not only to folkstyle/freestyle but also to vale tudo style competition (to make someone submit, strenght should not be used-- on of the first thing a grappler is taught about chokes is that if you have to apply your strength you are not practicing the technique properly.)

 

[Lord_Suston]

Thanks everyone for replying

So here are the results in order:

1) Absolute strength is key, since weight is true objective

2) Smaching soemone's skull or making them tap out

3) relative strength Body weight to to weight lifted

 

[Heffe]

Try this one on: Enter a "Strongman" contest
See who can pull a 35 ton semi the fastest in 100'
Carry an 800lbs superyoke the fastest
Load 5 stones 240-365lbs the fastest
Press a log over your head
or do a 300 lbs farmer's walk the fastest
Always a great test of strength!!!

 

[Yellowbottle]

Whiteox you are one strong motherfucker. How tall are you, and what cycles have you done?

 

[nyper]

NFL strength coaches usually figure out the strongest and the strongest pound for pound by a max on the bench for example
for thestrongest and how many times you can bench your own
body weight for pound for pound. If your 215lb half back can do his weight 30 times as opposed to lineman who might do 325
10 times and max at 425, the back is stronger pound for pound

 

[BigWh1tey]

I think the pound for pound thing is the war cry of the little man .

He who lifts the most weight is the strongest , to make up for this we have the term "Best Lifter" in the light and heavy classes. The strongest still lifted the most weight , the best lifter did the most weight pound for pound.

Now trying to figure is your "strong" in a general is a matter of comparison, either to yourself or others . Look at the chart posted above and see where you land .

 

[BigWh1tey]

Damn - there are some strong bros on this board. I just weighed myself - 196 and am benching 435 (no shirt), squatting and pulling 615 and 605. I'll do boxsquats w/455 for reps and heavy half-squats w/765. I hurt my knee 2 weeks ago and my last two wks it's been to painful to go over 500 on squats - even with my inzer z-wraps cranked on like a cast.

That one friend of yours thicklee sounds like an animal. If he's really pulling 800 then he's one of only a handful who can do it (regardless of bodyweight).

HEY BRO .. i bet you'll total Elite with a shirt and a suit . Awesome !

 

[solidj55]

Damn, you guys really like dawging the little guys dont you. Hell we cant help we are smaller than you guys, thats just a little genetic thing that we have no power over. Im a little guy but I very much agree that whoever lifts the most is the strogest bottom line. But I do also know about how the percentages work. Hell to be honest I dont care about how much anyone lifts as long as Im continuing to get stronger. Its all just fun for me.

 

[G-Force]

What about if you have two guys lifting the same weight yet one is 170 and the other is 200 you would have to say that the lighter guy is actually stronger even though he only lifted the same weight because if he packed on another 30lbs he would obviously blow the 200 pounder away! I mean everybody knows about someone whom they could say "I know he's small but he's strong as fuck" I suppose it all depends on how you interpret the word "strong" because for me there is some bro's who are just genetically strong because IMO technique does not account for the massive differences in poundages that you see two similar sized guys squatting or benching on a smith for instance!

 

[KA-BAR]

Well first off, Im one of the small guys. I am 5'5" and I do powerlifting meets in the 165lb class. Back in September of this year I did 350lbs at a bodyweight of 165lbs. That was with a Bench Press shirt on. Two weeks before the meet I did 330lbs at 165 bodyweight without a shirt. My opinion is this, whom ever pushes the most weight is the strongest regardless of bodyweight. But at the same time, as far as percentages for the individual if a smaller guy pushes like 2 or 3 times his body weight and the big guy pushes only 15 or 20 pounds over his weight then the smaller guy is stronger in that respect. Its all in how you look at it but my final thing to say is that I agree with Bulldog_10. In real life situations the only strength that matters is who makes who tap out. Oh yea I forgot, That statement that Golfer18 made about guys with short arms being stronger is not very accurate. I hate hearing that. Its like an excuse tall weak people make when a short guy is stronger. Ive heard it most of my life, people use it as an attempt to lessen the strength of someone in order to make them look better. Not directed toward you golfer18 but thats just how I feel. I have seen really tall, monkey armed s.o.b.'s push hella weight. The distance IMO doesnt really matter, weight is weight and strength is strength. Thats my opinion. Sorry for long post.

I dont see how tapping a guy out has Anything to do with strenth.. Lots of things come to play in wrestling and submission wresting mainly technique. Speed and Cardio also play a big roll. There are tons of people i have wrestled that are stronger than myself and I can toy with them when it comes to wrestling. Shit at work Ive squared off with one of the biggest guys in the plant who is ripped 18" arms and very massive and at the time I was 200 with my 15" pipes and guys thought he would squash me but I took him down at will and always controlled the position. Also he was gassed after the first min. Strenth is strenth if you push more weight you are stronger.

 

[whiteox]

Yellowbottle - thanks bro, I'm 5'8". I've done 3 cycles total.
1. 200mg deca/wk + 100mg winny/wk for 7 weeks - 3 years ago
2. 400mg deca/wk + 150mg winny/wk for 6 weeks - 6 months ago
3. 300mg deca/wk + 200mg eq/wk - finished 3 weeks ago
I've also done about 2 months total (couldn't afford longer) of hgh at 3iu's 5 days a week - but that only seemed to make me a little leaner - nothing else.

Bigwhitey - Unfortunately my 615 squat is already with a suit and my deads don't seem to go any higher with a suit. I guess my bench would be over 450 with a shirt but it's only speculation since I haven' t put on a shirt in years. There are a couple powerlifters around here who would spank me at a meet but I appreciate your compliment

 

[Immortal Juicer]

i love benching...

i've always been strong on bench. even when i was 13 i was pressing like 145 and i thought i was he man! now i'm can get 315 for 10 on flat. i dont max out anymore because i dont want to get injured.