Are all Doc's idiots?

[godsmaked]

So, I goto the Doc today and tell her my nipples are really tender from the gel. So, instead of prescribing injects, she says to cut the dose in half. So, instead of 4 pumps now she wants me to do only 2. I then proceed to tell her how the gel is affecting me hanging with my girl and playing with the godchildren, trying to convince her of injects. She says she has to prove the Gel failed to my insurance then maybe goto injectables. We talked a lil more and she told me she isn't comfortable letting me do my own injects so I will have to come to the office for them.

I may just make an apointment with an Endo to see what he says!

 

[SpyWizard]

that way they can charge your insurance an office visit for the injection..

time to get a different doc.. i see her point,,.. but time to shop, you are a client, a customer, as soon as they start to understand that the better..

 

[artificialaspirations]

I would site money, travel time, cost of gas and convinience when making a case for inject. Especially at home.

 

[Rickdarula]

I would site money, travel time, cost of gas and convinience when making a case for inject. Especially at home.

Thos are all very valid points however, they simply don't trust giving a you a script for Test. I located the so called best HRT Doc in my area and she gave me the same song and dance. She was up front and stated that she simply didn't feel comfortable giving me a script and that I would need to schedule visits for my injections. In my case I wouldn't have gotten charged for those particular visits but, talke about a PITA. Needless to say, that was my first and last visit there....give me a friggin break

 

[jhondo]

that way they can charge your insurance an office visit for the injection..

That's the fact. You better believe that if your doctor has a chance to make a buck (or a few hundred) off you or your insurance company, he will take it in a heart beat and not even give it a second thought. He couldn't care less if you're inconvenienced or if you have to sell your kids to pay for it, as long as he gets his.

Your doctor cares about your health, but he cares about money even more.

 

[Varga]

+1

 

[tomw]

That's the fact. You better believe that if your doctor has a chance to make a buck (or a few hundred) off you or your insurance company, he will take it in a heart beat and not even give it a second thought. He couldn't care less if you're inconvenienced or if you have to sell your kids to pay for it, as long as he gets his.

Your doctor cares about your health, but he cares about money even more.

I am sure you work for free??

 

[buda]

most docs are idiots about AAS, growth, managing sides, diagnosis and treatment -- tell next md you have ED that is non-responsive to gel (which occurs in a small but significant population of patients) period end-of-story -- have your new doc get chart notes from your old doc if need proof

So, I goto the Doc today and tell her my nipples are really tender from the gel. So, instead of prescribing injects, she says to cut the dose in half. So, instead of 4 pumps now she wants me to do only 2. I then proceed to tell her how the gel is affecting me hanging with my girl and playing with the godchildren, trying to convince her of injects. She says she has to prove the Gel failed to my insurance then maybe goto injectables. We talked a lil more and she told me she isn't comfortable letting me do my own injects so I will have to come to the office for them.

I may just make an apointment with an Endo to see what he says!

 

[megalo]

No, rest assured that all doc's aren't idiots. They have handled academic/intellectual challenges that would leave most people bewildered and frustrated. As for the argument that your doctor wants you to come in for injections for monetary gain, nothing could be further from the truth. The pittance that third party payers remunerate the physicians office as an injection fee barely covers the cost of the syringe. The real problem is that your doctor is very concerned that you are in fact the idiot, and can't be trusted to do something as mindless and simple as self administering an intramuscular injection without completely screwing it up. Bear in mind that when your doctor sends you out on your own with your perscription and instructions to self inject, he is responsible for the outcome of that advice. If you accidentally inject into a venous sinus with poor injection technique and end up with a pulmonary injury as a result, your doctor will be on the hook for that unfortunate circumstance. So you see, despite the fact that your doctor is not the idiot in this story, he will be held responsible for the idiot generated negative outcome. That is why he wants you getting your injections in the office, plain and simple.

 

[Varga]

No, rest assured that all doc's aren't idiots. They have handled academic/intellectual challenges that would leave most people bewildered and frustrated. As for the argument that your doctor wants you to come in for injections for monetary gain, nothing could be further from the truth. The pittance that third party payers remunerate the physicians office as an injection fee barely covers the cost of the syringe. The real problem is that your doctor is very concerned that you are in fact the idiot, and can't be trusted to do something as mindless and simple as self administering an intramuscular injection without completely screwing it up. Bear in mind that when your doctor sends you out on your own with your perscription and instructions to self inject, he is responsible for the outcome of that advice. If you accidentally inject into a venous sinus with poor injection technique and end up with a pulmonary injury as a result, your doctor will be on the hook for that unfortunate circumstance. So you see, despite the fact that your doctor is not the idiot in this story, he will be held responsible for the idiot generated negative outcome. That is why he wants you getting your injections in the office, plain and simple.

LOL....funny shit! I have to agree with one point you made, and that is-if the doc thinks or has a bad vibe about what your intensions are about the test prescription they will ask you to come in. In that case you have no choice but to go in.
On the other hand, no offense but docs are pricks at times. I went to an urologist and all he was interested in was the visit money and wanted to do as many tests as he could EVEN knowing that he would not treat me in the end. Then he refered me to an endo (who I found from my research was his buddy..LOL). That to me is being a crook more so than idiot. He was lucky I did not file a report with my insurence for fraud. Also, the guy was somewhat smart in how to make money off ppl but he sucked as a medic and I'm very confiedent that in terms of steroid usage for HRT purposes and such I know way more than he does.

 

[godsmaked]

I understand what you are saying but in my case it is the doc who is the idiot. SHe never even tested for free testosterone, she just went off the total test reselts. Secondly, she had me on four pumps daily Androgel, when I told her my nipples hurt she bumped me down to 2 pumps daily. She did this without even knowing the results that were achieved from 4 pumps daily! $ pumps may have not been enough and she bumped me down to 2? When I mentioned anti E's, she kinda blew me off because I could see she had no idea what I was talking about. I go back in 2 weeks and at that point I plan on telling her to refer me to an endo!

 

[artificialaspirations]

call a local compounding pharmacy and ask who is most knowledgable in male TRT. You will have an experienced doc right off the bat. They can even narrow it down by insurance providers.

 

[Varga]

I understand what you are saying but in my case it is the doc who is the idiot. SHe never even tested for free testosterone, she just went off the total test reselts. Secondly, she had me on four pumps daily Androgel, when I told her my nipples hurt she bumped me down to 2 pumps daily. She did this without even knowing the results that were achieved from 4 pumps daily! $ pumps may have not been enough and she bumped me down to 2? When I mentioned anti E's, she kinda blew me off because I could see she had no idea what I was talking about. I go back in 2 weeks and at that point I plan on telling her to refer me to an endo!

I hear you man, it's hard to shoot darts in the dark without testing and see the real numbers. My doc tests for a lot more than total test though

 

[NEO1]

My first doc did the song and dance, then I saw a good endo who specializes in TRT. 1 week after my first visit when my bloodwork came back I walked out of the office with a script for pins and test. She was very well informed and gave me the option.

 

[bigjd69]

Yes All Docs Are Idiots Imo

 

[thelion2005]

So, I goto the Doc today and tell her my nipples are really tender from the gel. So, instead of prescribing injects, she says to cut the dose in half. So, instead of 4 pumps now she wants me to do only 2. I then proceed to tell her how the gel is affecting me hanging with my girl and playing with the godchildren, trying to convince her of injects. She says she has to prove the Gel failed to my insurance then maybe goto injectables. We talked a lil more and she told me she isn't comfortable letting me do my own injects so I will have to come to the office for them.

I may just make an apointment with an Endo to see what he says!

All you need is 0.25 mg of adex twice a week and your problem is gone.

 

[mighty-musculus]

"I am sure you work for free??"



Being a doctor of medicine is not just about a paycheck it's a way of life, it's a social status and a responsiblity. Doc's who abuse patients and their respective insureance plans should be reported for fraud.

 

[goldenboyart]

It's funny the lady doc said she had to prove th e gel didn't work before she could do injections. That is TOTAL BS. As the GEL is hundreds more than the single shots. My Doc wanted to give me gel but thought my insurance wouldn't cover it but it did so I got the gel. I'm going to get the shots now as the gel hasn't changed all that much.

But it's funny because my Doc basically said the exact opposite thing inregards to insurance. DROP her and go to someone that you can have a better repour with. Remember she works FOR you , you HIRE her for a specfic reason. If she donesn't meet the standards that you have go somewhere else.

Oh and almost everyone I know that's on TRT does the shots themselves AT HOME. It's NOT asking a doctor a lot to do the shots yourself. It's not anymore dangerous than someone who has diabeties who pins theirselves. Think about it for a second. diabetics don't go in everday to get their shots do they? Same damn thing. But I have to agree with you that some Doctors are fools and don't know the first things about AAS or HRT or TRT. IMHO

 

[Dopamineloveaffair]

Unfortunately doctors aren't required to do any research. The only "research" they get, are from drug reps pushing an agenda, or what they may have learned from med school, however many years ago.

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Testosterone Replacement, Testosterone Optimization for Better Health.

 

[geteven]

The problem is all doctors are crooks! Their wallet is more important than your health.
And if a person does not have insurance then they are really screwed and have to find meds on their own
and are now risking legal issues and health issues.
Find a new doctor, maybe someone can refer you someone that will at least give you what you need instead
of trying to sqeeze every dollar from your insurance.
Just my thought on this.

 

[jhondo]

I am sure you work for free??

No, I don't work for free. That isn't the issue. My doc charges my insurance 25 bucks EVERY time I have to come in (weekly) for my injection, which he doesn't even do; a nurse does it and it takes her all of 2 minutes to draw the test and inject me with it. That isn't working for a living like you or I do, that's highway robbery.

What that means is that I have to take time out of my day every week to drive to the Dr. office, wait for a nurse to become available, and drive back to work afterwards (about 45-60 min. total) so a nurse can take two minutes and charge 25 bucks for a shot I could do myself for free and at no inconvenience.

Where is the logic in that?

 

[chris302001]

lolololololol I love this thread

 

[goin on 4T]

lolololololol I love this thread

Chris what are you doing in the old man thread? You won't find Smurphy in here...
LOL

 

[Varga]

For those stuck in this merry go around here is short and sweet what to do ....a general doctor practitioner is no person to see for TRT, period!
GO to an Endo doctor. If the doc is an ass then go to another endo.