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Anyone over 40 using AS?

benchpressr23

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Bro's

I have a good friend who has been working out for 5 years and is 43 years old. His diet is pretty regiminted however he is not making any gains. With my help he is now on his first cycle of gear. Brovel T200. I think he will have great results @ 400-600 mg a week. He feels a little nervous his first time out. Anyone over forty using please give any feedback or insight.

Thanks, pressr23:D
 
Hey bro, I'm not quite that old but I'm 35. AAS are very beneficial for someone over 30, because of the noticeable drop in their testosterone levels. They say that after age 25, a man's testosterone level gradually decreases on out for the remainder of his life. I don't think that this is noticeable until one reaches 30 or above. If he's in overall good health, there's nothing to worry about. His old body will be rejuvanated with the addition of some test.

NN
 
I'm over 40 and using right now and am still alive to tell about it

I would suggest he do the same things any intellegent user should do and that includes a full liver panel, cholesterol screen in addition to the prostate exam both before and after the cycle. Make sure he monitors his bp as this becomes more important for us old fogeys.

Another, over-the-counter weapon in the arsenal for the prostate is saw palmetto.

MH
 
i am 40 now,used gear till i was 38 had an injury,rehabed started back and have better gains now than i ever did before,but the one thing i added that worked for me that can give bad results for some is dhea,once i added that,its likes have fire runnig thru my body,and energy is way up,for me getting older helped me because my metabolic rate was high,now it is right where i need it,also i can get by with less calories.
 
I'm 37 and still growing. As long as I eat a ton of food and keep upping the intensity of my workouts (almost barfed today)...it's all good.
 
I'm 52 and I did my first cycle this year . Started my 2nd cycle today. I'm closely monitored every 6 months at VA Hosp by the Endocrinologist there. I got a pituitary tumor since 86 and the VA has put me on HGH for the last 11 months (Bless thier Hearts) and I've put 40 # of muscle on in the last 1½ years. 20 of that since HGH. I don't know what took me so long to get on AS. I got Dianabol in 65 from my family Dr. (100) I gained 40# back then too. As long as I'm alive I'll have a source . I've got a pez dispensor full of Cialis in case I have a problem with my little guy .
 
I'm 46, have check ups run regularly, and eat proscar like candy while I'm on because my father had prostate cancer. Still love being on, but have noticed a definite decline in my ability to hang onto my gains, which is more than likely associated with slower hpta recovery. Next time out, I'll be using hcg for the first time. Hell, when I started back in the 80's, all we had was nolvadex and evening primrose oil, which was supposed to protect something, but nobody knew exactly what. Thank god for the internet and access to better info.
 
38, have cycled(I hate that word) on and off since 18 years of age. Started back after a 6 year lay off. I'm stronger and bigger than ever. The main difference is my bones and joints hurt more, that could be from 24 years of lifting but i'm sure age has something to do with it as well. Never coming off, fuck it , I'll go for quality over quantity. I will keep everything monitored. At the rate I'm going, I have a chance to be a top lifter in the world in bench press and dead lift in the master's division.
 
As the baby boomers age, a growing number of them are actually being prescribed AS for what is being called andropause. Some medical ins. even picks up the bill! Sweet!
 
Oldsters

I am 59, started my first cycle at 58. Have put on 40# of muscle.
As you get older, arimidex is important to control estrogen and the subsequent water retention.


BP has a tendency to elevate. I am on 750 Test 300 Primo and 150 Tren EOD with no problems. Will probably hit a plateau on muscle gain at some point. I am in the 14th week of this cycle and I alternated D-bol, 2 week on - 2 weeks off up until last week.

Have lost no hair, have no acne.

Those over 50 are probably at an increased risk for connective tissue injuries because of the aging effect, although some GH might help that. I get strong fast, but I have to be careful not to outdistance my ligaments.

I pyramid up on every exercise and never go below 8 reps, targeting 10 for each set. I work out each muscle group once a week. Recovery time is an issue for older BBers. They need more time even on juice.

Weigh 220 with about 19% body fat. Started out at 187 with 25% bodyfat.

I use light weights because of previous injuries. Standing curl with 70, Flat Bench 230 - @10 times. Pushing yourself to keep up with the guys in their 30s will lead to injuries. Benching with sets of 3 to 5 are hazardous and overtraining is extremely easy. I have to restrain myself from pushing too hard. Forced reps and heavy negatives is asking for trouble in those over 55.

My body looks like a guy in his 20s. Will drop some of the weight post cycle. Intend to take a 2 month break then get on a 1g Test, D-bol, Deca then later Tren cycle.

PSA was 1.5 on D-bol, Test and Deca. Cholesterol was 129 with 4:1 ratio. Usually at 159 with 2:1 ratio. Liver values were well within limits.

As long as the biochemical profile is positive, there is no reason no to stay on juice until you are 80.

We are all going to die. Lets die on our feet not on our knees.
 
Im 41 and...

I have done AS off and on for 20 years. I do have a blood pressure problem so I keep an eye on that. I don't use the amounts that I used to and I use DHEA. I'm ok....
 
He should have no problem. I am close to 60, have been cycleing for many years with no problems. My personal approach is to avoid 17aa orals, do reasonable cycles, have anti-e's on hand if you need them. Likewise, i work one bodypart a day(once a week) allowing for plenty of recovery time and it works wonders. Used to try to follow what hte young guys did and all that bought me was overtraining and chronic injuries.
 
Re: Oldsters

taoseeker said:
I am 59, started my first cycle at 58. Have put on 40# of muscle.
As you get older, arimidex is important to control estrogen and the subsequent water retention.


BP has a tendency to elevate. I am on 750 Test 300 Primo and 150 Tren EOD with no problems. Will probably hit a plateau on muscle gain at some point. I am in the 14th week of this cycle and I alternated D-bol, 2 week on - 2 weeks off up until last week.

Have lost no hair, have no acne.

Those over 50 are probably at an increased risk for connective tissue injuries because of the aging effect, although some GH might help that. I get strong fast, but I have to be careful not to outdistance my ligaments.

I pyramid up on every exercise and never go below 8 reps, targeting 10 for each set. I work out each muscle group once a week. Recovery time is an issue for older BBers. They need more time even on juice.

Weigh 220 with about 19% body fat. Started out at 187 with 25% bodyfat.

I use light weights because of previous injuries. Standing curl with 70, Flat Bench 230 - @10 times. Pushing yourself to keep up with the guys in their 30s will lead to injuries. Benching with sets of 3 to 5 are hazardous and overtraining is extremely easy. I have to restrain myself from pushing too hard. Forced reps and heavy negatives is asking for trouble in those over 55.

My body looks like a guy in his 20s. Will drop some of the weight post cycle. Intend to take a 2 month break then get on a 1g Test, D-bol, Deca then later Tren cycle.

PSA was 1.5 on D-bol, Test and Deca. Cholesterol was 129 with 4:1 ratio. Usually at 159 with 2:1 ratio. Liver values were well within limits.

As long as the biochemical profile is positive, there is no reason no to stay on juice until you are 80.

We are all going to die. Lets die on our feet not on our knees.

Nice going. There's a guy in my gym that is over 60, says he doesn't juice, but that's noone's business. Anyway, he has an incredible build, I think better than mine. Huge arms, small waist. Probably 6'1" and 230. He can bench over 300 easy. I am impressed.
 
Doggy here... 42yrs young.

First cycle at 37 weight 183
? cycle at 42 weight 252

And I hang with the other old farts at AF.
 
DOGGY said:
Doggy here... 42yrs young.

First cycle at 37 weight 183
? cycle at 42 weight 252

And I hang with the other old farts at AF.

Damn, good going. How did you gain that much weight? Is it all muscle? Did you gain it slowly? I pm'd you.
 
I'm 42 and have done a few cycles now. It makes me feel great to see the older fellows kicking ass still. I don't know what I would do without AS and weight training.

People comment all the time that I don't look my age. And isn't that what it's all about?

Rock on Bros!
 
SofaGeorge said:
I'm 43...I don't plan to ever come off.

Ditto. :)

I'm 42 in February, and I seriously doubt I'll ever come off, seriously. I pretty much do test (500mg) and deca (400mg) exclusively, prop is my favorite test. I'm thinking of adding in dbol from time to time for short durations at a relatively low dose. I really feel great...and healthy. I feel I'm more in shape and stronger than anyone I personally know by far, regardless of age. That's not an exaggeration.
 
Yes just started again at 43, last cycles circa 1985. Plan is to do a few low dose short cycles (2 weekers, with one week taper of AM dbol), see how I respond, and then figure out what my long term strategy is. I have not decided if I want to continue cycling on/off with low to moderate dosages or just start HRT with added cycles thrown in from time to time. Currently just wrapped the first two week cycle of dbol at 15 mg/day, gained about 8 pounds, much strength, great pumps, and felt fantastic. I love dbol, I missed it so much. I also included 4ad and some other prohromones since I has some left over from before. It was tough to force myself to come off at two weeks cause the gains were coming on strong, but I happened to get sick so that kind of made the decision easier. So now tapering off at 5mg dbol in the morning for 1 week then a minimum of 10 days off with some therapy, then back on for another two weeker, dbol at 15mg, winnie at 25mg, same taper of 1 week with 5mg dbol, etc. Repeat this indefinately until plateaued or it shuts me down too much then jump on a longer cycle. Wrap up in the Spring with full HCG / clomid therapy and try to get through the Summer clean till next Fall. I always feel like shit and have health issues in the late Fall / Winter / early Spring and I have decided AAS is the cure to getting though this time of year in a positive manner.

correction on my weight gain from my little dbol cycle - up 12 lbs as of today
 
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double ditto

40butpumpin said:


Ditto. :)

I'm 42 in February, and I seriously doubt I'll ever come off, seriously. I pretty much do test (500mg) and deca (400mg) exclusively, prop is my favorite test. I'm thinking of adding in dbol from time to time for short durations at a relatively low dose. I really feel great...and healthy. I feel I'm more in shape and stronger than anyone I personally know by far, regardless of age. That's not an exaggeration.

At 43 years and only started gear at 41 , started on gh at 42 and what adifference ,will use gh for as long as the pocket book holds out and hopfully thats for life :)..
gh and gear and im training like i was 20 and thats i good thing I figure ..
peace
hempster
 
52 here

Did my first cycle about 6 years ago, currently on growth only, but will soon start a fina, test, deca, d-bol, growth cycle, Jan 1.

I cut and saved the post by taoseeker, very helpful.

Stewmaster and MOD are getting up there too, I think stew is 52 or 53,


I have a few injuries and just had a face lift, so not in the gym, but when I go back and start my cycle will be on 10 out of 12 months next year.
:)
 
44 AND LOVING LIFE

Been on and off for almost 3 years and have gone from 168 ripped to 202 ripped.Have competed in the past naturally and did well,first show in 15years this past June and did well in the MASTERS and NOVICE,love GH,TREN,TEST.
 
benchpressr23 said:
Bro's

I have a good friend who has been working out for 5 years and is 43 years old. His diet is pretty regiminted however he is not making any gains. With my help he is now on his first cycle of gear. Brovel T200. I think he will have great results @ 400-600 mg a week. He feels a little nervous his first time out. Anyone over forty using please give any feedback or insight.

Thanks, pressr23:D

I'm not there yet, I'm 36, but, take a chapter from the Stillgoing files: GET A BASELINE BLOODWORKUP done. I think I've found out the hard way that test levels in mid 30s are not the same as the twenties. I did a puny dosage cycle after being off for five years and crashed hard after (I think, I didn't get a baseline test done). I am now going back on HCG/nolv/clomid to try and get test up from 270 where it is now. I was hoping to be on another cycle 2 months ago now, and I've got another 2 months of fuckin' around with these levels till I find out if I can get it back up or not.
 
45.............it's never too late!
BTW, ancilliaries, ancilliaries, ancilliaries!
 
40 + lol years young and bp is just now going borderline high and heart rate was to high until the doc put me on lowpressor to slow it down other than that i will start one in a month
:p
 
SofaGeorge said:
I'm 43. I sleep with IVs. I don't plan to ever come off.

I know the above quote is old, but I'm sure that there's a ton of guys who still think the same way. Are they for real? I can't believe that these guys are gonna keep doing steroids right up until they die. There's a part of me that wants to say, "Grow up!" And that's an edited version.

You can do a ton of cycles in a lifetime, but I always thought that there comes a time when you gotta quit for your health. Right or wrong? And I've seen guys who did alot of cycles over the years and then they up and quit. And all of them lost a ton of muscle and some even got fat.

They got fat not because they quit training but because that's what happens to you when you quit doing the juice after years of juicing. Alot of the fat winds up in the waist. There's a valid scientific explanation for this but it's beyond me to expound on it.

So my point is, what's the point of starting a.s. useage when you know that you're someday gonna quit and you're gonna lose most of the muscle anyway? Believe it or not, my opinions are anything but incontrovertible and I'm always willing to reverse my opinion. Afterall, I'm not a politician, for christ sake. As long as the counterpoints are sound logic. But right now I don't see the point in doing juice (except for getting ready for a hot date or some other impetuous teenage reason) for the reasons stated within.
 
Re: Oldsters

taoseeker said:
I am 59, started my first cycle at 58. Have put on 40# of muscle.
As you get older, arimidex is important to control estrogen and the subsequent water retention.


BP has a tendency to elevate. I am on 750 Test 300 Primo and 150 Tren EOD with no problems. Will probably hit a plateau on muscle gain at some point. I am in the 14th week of this cycle and I alternated D-bol, 2 week on - 2 weeks off up until last week.

Have lost no hair, have no acne.

Those over 50 are probably at an increased risk for connective tissue injuries because of the aging effect, although some GH might help that. I get strong fast, but I have to be careful not to outdistance my ligaments.

I pyramid up on every exercise and never go below 8 reps, targeting 10 for each set. I work out each muscle group once a week. Recovery time is an issue for older BBers. They need more time even on juice.

Weigh 220 with about 19% body fat. Started out at 187 with 25% bodyfat.

I use light weights because of previous injuries. Standing curl with 70, Flat Bench 230 - @10 times. Pushing yourself to keep up with the guys in their 30s will lead to injuries. Benching with sets of 3 to 5 are hazardous and overtraining is extremely easy. I have to restrain myself from pushing too hard. Forced reps and heavy negatives is asking for trouble in those over 55.

My body looks like a guy in his 20s. Will drop some of the weight post cycle. Intend to take a 2 month break then get on a 1g Test, D-bol, Deca then later Tren cycle.

PSA was 1.5 on D-bol, Test and Deca. Cholesterol was 129 with 4:1 ratio. Usually at 159 with 2:1 ratio. Liver values were well within limits.

As long as the biochemical profile is positive, there is no reason no to stay on juice until you are 80.

We are all going to die. Lets die on our feet not on our knees.

over thirty its also important to do proviron with your test (and even dbol) if you can tolerate it. the body gets more efficient at binding up with SHBG whatever extra test is floating around and rendering it useless. I was a test non-responder (deca eq anavar yes, test no) until I added proviron.
 
Area5150 said:
I know the above quote is old, but I'm sure that there's a ton of guys who still think the same way. Are they for real? I can't believe that these guys are gonna keep doing steroids right up until they die. There's a part of me that wants to say, "Grow up!" And that's an edited version.

You can do a ton of cycles in a lifetime, but I always thought that there comes a time when you gotta quit for your health. Right or wrong? And I've seen guys who did alot of cycles over the years and then they up and quit. And all of them lost a ton of muscle and some even got fat.

They got fat not because they quit training but because that's what happens to you when you quit doing the juice after years of juicing. Alot of the fat winds up in the waist. There's a valid scientific explanation for this but it's beyond me to expound on it.

So my point is, what's the point of starting a.s. useage when you know that you're someday gonna quit and you're gonna lose most of the muscle anyway? Believe it or not, my opinions are anything but incontrovertible and I'm always willing to reverse my opinion. Afterall, I'm not a politician, for christ sake. As long as the counterpoints are sound logic. But right now I don't see the point in doing juice (except for getting ready for a hot date or some other impetuous teenage reason) for the reasons stated within.

I just turned 51, been doing AAS since I was 40...Now I dont even cycle..I just stay on at low/moderate doses (moderation guys)and save my body going thru the traumatic on and off periods.Im bigger,leaner,and healthier than just about ANYONE at any age-certainly anyone my own age.I totally get your concern about getting older and ensuing health issues-a valid concern- BUT, I personally dont care. I wanna be strong,vital, and powerful until I die-and if its from doing this stuff over a period of time, so be it. Im not afraid of dying -only afraid of living timdily, cautiously, and nervously.I realize thats not considered normal by the masses, but Ive also never been real impressed by the masses choices (see:current Administration)and I refuse to be an older american living in fear of becoming some victim to some person or group. The gear helps me stay strong and along with the intense workouts and good diet I employ I am more strong physically and mentally than ever before in my life.Ive just been approched to write a column in a local magazine regarding issues for men 45 and older...I will definetly include Steroids (or HRT) at some point and try and anti-demonize to some extent the rap theyve taken over the years.I believe its all about personal choice- and this is mine and I dont expect most people to agree with it...but its all about personal empowerment for me and staying relevant as a functioning person as I get closer to becoming a senior citizen--its not about getting dates and definetly not for teenage reasons---its for adult reasons.

--gunner--
 
62 here. Been on a Doc supervised HRT program for some time. Thius includes:
- test
- HGH
- anti-est

I have quarterly full blood testing done and the 'tate scoped once a year.

I'm in the best shape of my life, lifting more and lifting smarter. I just shook off a case of flu (thank you, my grandchildren) in less than 5 days.

I can spot the high esto/ low test men as I look out on the public. It is most of them. The belly, the bloated face and the soft body is the give-away. I will never be one of them.
 
Re: Oldsters

taoseeker said:
I am 59, started my first cycle at 58. Have put on 40# of muscle.
As you get older, arimidex is important to control estrogen and the subsequent water retention.


BP has a tendency to elevate. I am on 750 Test 300 Primo and 150 Tren EOD with no problems. Will probably hit a plateau on muscle gain at some point. I am in the 14th week of this cycle and I alternated D-bol, 2 week on - 2 weeks off up until last week.

Have lost no hair, have no acne.

Those over 50 are probably at an increased risk for connective tissue injuries because of the aging effect, although some GH might help that. I get strong fast, but I have to be careful not to outdistance my ligaments.

I pyramid up on every exercise and never go below 8 reps, targeting 10 for each set. I work out each muscle group once a week. Recovery time is an issue for older BBers. They need more time even on juice.

Weigh 220 with about 19% body fat. Started out at 187 with 25% bodyfat.

I use light weights because of previous injuries. Standing curl with 70, Flat Bench 230 - @10 times. Pushing yourself to keep up with the guys in their 30s will lead to injuries. Benching with sets of 3 to 5 are hazardous and overtraining is extremely easy. I have to restrain myself from pushing too hard. Forced reps and heavy negatives is asking for trouble in those over 55.

My body looks like a guy in his 20s. Will drop some of the weight post cycle. Intend to take a 2 month break then get on a 1g Test, D-bol, Deca then later Tren cycle.

PSA was 1.5 on D-bol, Test and Deca. Cholesterol was 129 with 4:1 ratio. Usually at 159 with 2:1 ratio. Liver values were well within limits.

As long as the biochemical profile is positive, there is no reason no to stay on juice until you are 80.

We are all going to die. Lets die on our feet not on our knees.

Great attitude!
k to you.
 
Can you believe its been 3 yrs already since i made that post on this thread, at the present i'm more cut ,Defined and in better shape than i have ever been in my entire life!

Going on 54 in December! OHHH Yeah!



RADAR :lightning :anvil: :lightning
 
gunnermuscle said:
II personally dont care. I wanna be strong,vital, and powerful until I die-and if its from doing this stuff over a period of time, so be it. Im not afraid of dying -only afraid of living timdily, cautiously, and nervously.

Death from steroids? That's a worst case scenario. What really concerns me is the "half ass worst case scenario."

Half ass meaning where you don't die, but you come down with some type of ailment that prevents you from lifting and moving. Being hooked up to a machine, an amputation, or whatever. That in itself for people like you and me might be construed as a fate worse than death.
Man, I always wanta be mobile. If anything happens to my wheels I would out and out freak. I can't fathom being housebound or tethered to a metaphorical post in the ground.

My neighbor who is fit and lean and in his 40's came down with a very debilitating and shocking ailment. It's an ailment in his leg that makes him walk everywhere with a very pronounced limp. Shocking in that the last time I talked to him the ailment was still not diagnosed or attributed to anything and he's had this problem for about a year now. And trust me, his limp is very ugly.

I live in an area of San Diego that has a fairly large volume of pedestrian traffic, on a daily basis. I live in People Watching Paradise. And as such I'm awarded the gift of being able to see people of all shapes, size and age come and go. I learn alot, too much to write about here and now. From the young I learn about where I came from and how I got to be what I am. From the old, I learn about where I'm going.

And I am impressed by the senior citizens who get out of their house and walk, run, or ride their bicycle. And as someone whose had multiple knee surgeries, I realize that wheels, movement and mobility is the number one characteristic I should value the most. You see, I tend to think there are some 70 year olds that can still run and maybe a few who can barely get out of the house. But I might be wrong about that. Maybe 70 years old isn't all that debilitating to the physical senses. Either way, no matter what age I am, I want to be able to get up and go.

The weightlifting thing can get out of hand for some people. I'm reminded of a guy in L.A. who was a fitness fanatic with exceptional genes. He had an exquisite body. I don't know if he was gear-free or not. The article I read stated that he had alot of joint pain, the type that eventually prevented him from lifting. It went on to say that he committed suicide because of all the pain that prevented him from lifting. That much was stated in his suicide note. Like the rest of us, he was a real zealot when it came to lifting. Personally, I have no problem with someone shutting themselves down in much the same way Hunter S. Thompson did.

I kinda think the same way the L.A. guy did, what's the point of living if you can't lift, if you can't ride a bike, if you can't be mobile? Maybe my thinking will someday evolve into a different thought pattern.
 
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54 here...competing, going strong. The key in using long term is staying on the high side of normal, and not abuse. This in fact is an anti-aging program when looked at closely.
 
Lifterforlife said:
The key in using long term is staying on the high side of normal, and not abuse.

At your age, do you advocate staying on it year round or doing the traditional cycle? And are there some drugs that middle agers should avoid, say like Anadrol-50, or are they all good? Can you give us an example of "staying on the high side of normal?"

I'm kinda curious. And don't assume from my posts that I'm 100% anti-steroid, because I'm not. I live near TJ, so the subject certainly does cross my mind. From what I've read the best drugs for keeping gains are the ones that put on muscle the slowest.
 
Area5150 said:
At your age, do you advocate staying on it year round or doing the traditional cycle? And are there some drugs that middle agers should avoid, say like Anadrol-50, or are they all good? Can you give us an example of "staying on the high side of normal?"

Yeah, normal test levels(and this is not written in stone, but close) are 270-1000 ng./dl. of blood. If you can keep test levels in what I refer to as the high side of normal, upwards of 500, and I would prefer a bit higher, this to me would be an anti aging program, and cannot lead to abuse. That is normal sex drive, good test levels for lean muscle gain and fat loss....keeping estrogen down is key. It is shown in research that a 50 yr. old man has as much estrogen and as little test levels as a same age post menapausal woman! One study I saw stated a 54 yr. old male has the same estrogen levels as a 59 yr. old woman. We are all born with both hormones, both male and female.

I'm kinda curious. And don't assume from my posts that I'm 100% anti-steroid, because I'm not. I live near TJ, so the subject certainly does cross my mind. From what I've read the best drugs for keeping gains are the ones that put on muscle the slowest.

Yep, I believe with proper test dosing, this is exactly what you will do, put muscle on slowly....again staying on the high side of normal should enable muscle gain as in your mid twenties or so, which still as a natural is pretty reasonably slow.

I have always been into anti aging, taking vitamins, minerals, etc. long ago before it ever became "mainstream". This has been a lifetime research process for me.
 
Oh yeah, in answer to your first question, yes I do believe in staying on year round, but again, not to the stage of abuse. Abuse can be loosely defined, but I hope you interpret what I mean. We all have different "ranges", but health and longevity should be everyones first concern who considers this avenue. It is now emerging finally as exciting "new" research, which it really isn't, just now coming into light the male problems.
 
Don't mean to hijack the thread, but here is a nice listen for those interested in test administration as an anti aging program. Touches on some pretty good stuff, HCG usage, etc. Excellent listen and worth the time if you have it. By the way, this guy is a reputed "expert" in the field of anti aging, and is a former Mr. Nevada I believe it is. So, he does have some impressive credentials.

www.cenegenics.net/conf_calls/cen022803.mp3
 
Lifterforlife said:
Oh yeah, in answer to your first question, yes I do believe in staying on year round, but again, not to the stage of abuse. Abuse can be loosely defined, but I hope you interpret what I mean. We all have different "ranges", but health and longevity should be everyones first concern who considers this avenue. It is now emerging finally as exciting "new" research, which it really isn't, just now coming into light the male problems.

I'm not getting off some type of program and watch myself turn into the dumpy, soft, esto-males I see in my age group ... No, No, No!

I'm getting my blood tests and taking what I need to stay in the best end of the ranges.

Why not?
 
thelion2005 said:
I'm not getting off some type of program and watch myself turn into the dumpy, soft, esto-males I see in my age group ... No, No, No!

I'm getting my blood tests and taking what I need to stay in the best end of the ranges.

Why not?

My point exactly! :)
 
HGH man--Chargeback said:
I'm 52 and I did my first cycle this year . Started my 2nd cycle today. I'm closely monitored every 6 months at VA Hosp by the Endocrinologist there. I got a pituitary tumor since 86 and the VA has put me on HGH for the last 11 months (Bless thier Hearts) and I've put 40 # of muscle on in the last 1½ years. 20 of that since HGH. I don't know what took me so long to get on AS. I got Dianabol in 65 from my family Dr. (100) I gained 40# back then too. As long as I'm alive I'll have a source . I've got a pez dispensor full of Cialis in case I have a problem with my little guy .


Very interesting! I'm 58 and thinking about my first cycle in a few months after I've dropped some weight. How has it been keeping your gains? Did you lose a lot after your first cycle?
 
Lifterforlife said:
Oh yeah, in answer to your first question, yes I do believe in staying on year round, but again, not to the stage of abuse. Abuse can be loosely defined, but I hope you interpret what I mean. We all have different "ranges", but health and longevity should be everyones first concern who considers this avenue. It is now emerging finally as exciting "new" research, which it really isn't, just now coming into light the male problems.

Lifterforlife, at the risk of being redundant, let me say that I'm not against steroid use. And at the risk of sounding like a madman, (which I probrably am), I sometimes feel that A.S. isn't for me while at other times I think about doing my 2nd cycle. For the record, my first one was back in '97.

If it's not too much of a problem, could you recommend a year round A.S. menu? You'll probrably want to know what I have access to. Well, I live 30 minutes from Tijuana, and since drugs there are easily obtainable, I'm pretty much good to go.

This is what I know they have for sure: Anadrol-50, Deca, Primo-depot, Anavar, Sus-250, Equipoise, and maybe a few others I'm leaving out. I'm not sure if they have liquid Winstrol or not, but they might. Now, TJ has a dog track where they race dogs and with that a supposed good amount of veternarian facilities in the immediate area.

I've never been to the vets, though if I ever do another cycle I'll be sure to explore the dog track area. I sense that the vets have the best gear. With my first cycle i made all of my purchases in the tourist district, right there on Revolucion Avenue. In retrospect, that was not a very smart thing to do, nevertheless nothing bad happened. I was never set up, no sting opearations went down so it was all good. Now that I'm wiser, I'd most likely stay away from the tourist district and make the majority of my purchases out at the beach or at the dog track. They have a good gym near the dog track, it's in The Twin Towers off of Agua Caliente Blvd. It's called "Neo Spa." They charge about $5 for a one-day pass.

So what would be a safe and sane prescription of drugs for a year rounder and at what dosage? BTW, I don't compete and I never will. But like you it's probrably safe to say that I'll be a lifter for life.
 
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Lifterforlife, at the risk of being redundant, let me say that I'm not against steroid use. And at the risk of sounding like a madman, (which I probrably am), I sometimes feel that A.S. isn't for me while at other times I think about doing my 2nd cycle. For the record, my first one was back in '97.

If it's not too much of a problem, could you recommend a year round A.S. menu? You'll probrably want to know what I have access to. Well, I live 30 minutes from Tijuana, and since drugs there are easily obtainable, I'm pretty much good to go.

This is what I know they have for sure: Anadrol-50, Deca, Primo-depot, Anavar, Sus-250, Equipoise, and maybe a few others I'm leaving out. I'm not sure if they have liquid Winstrol or not, but they might. Now, TJ has a dog track where they race dogs and with that a supposed good amount of veternarian facilities in the immediate area.

I've never been to the vets, though if I ever do another cycle I'll be sure to explore the dog track area. I sense that the vets have the best gear. With my first cycle i made all of my purchases in the tourist district, right there on Revolucion Avenue. In retrospect, that was not a very smart thing to do, nevertheless nothing bad happened. I was never set up, no sting opearations went down so it was all good. Now that I'm wiser, I'd most likely stay away from the tourist district and make the majority of my purchases out at the beach or at the dog track. They have a good gym near the dog track, it's in The Twin Towers off of Agua Caliente Blvd. It's called "Neo Spa." They charge about $5 for a one-day pass.

So what would be a safe and sane prescription of drugs for a year rounder and at what dosage? BTW, I don't compete and I never will. But like you it's probrably safe to say that I'll be a lifter for life.

When I mentioned year round, I was referring to an anti aging type program, test and ancillaries. Keeping your test levels up in the upper end of normal would enable you to keep ahead of the game, gain muscle at for instance a 21 yr. olds rate, quite possibly defy what they call "normal aging" diseases, which I completely disagree with(heart, alzheimers, etc. which they say happen with age. I am a firm believer that these are a product of an unhealthy lifestyle over years. While the disease does not happen overnight, the symptoms do and build.)...which would still be slow and gains you can keep.

Sorry about the rant in there, just need to get that out periodically! ;)

If you want to do a cycle, since your last one was in 97, and your only one, I would recommend just a test cycle. If you want to add something deca would be a good one, low sides, etc. But you should do fine with just a test cycle.
 
Age 50, boys. Just starting 2nd cycle. Test E and tren at low doses, 500 and 80 EOD. First cycle was last spring without any research, didn't have a clue, but my strength increase was amazing. Pretty dumb looking back at it, but hey, I was doing acid back in the 70's, before I staightened out and became cop. Anyway, the benefits I have experienced include a huge boost in confidence along with the strength gains. My last seven at bats in men's softball, I have hit five bombs and two base hits. WTF? Last night, they walked the guy in front of me to to set up the doubleplay. Walk off HR! I have never hit like this in my 30 years of softball. So far, I don't see a down side. All my old buds are fat and sitting on the couch.
 
Get this old timers, started about 10 days ago and my starting BP was 136/82. Now it's 110/72! I haven't drastically changed anything, except to introduce the test e and tren. I've lost 1" at the waist and gained one pound(221). Fountain of Youth!
 
Many congrats. And I bet you're getting chubbies like you haven't seen since high school. I love being on and will likely begin hrt when I turn 50 in Jan. (though I don't do fina anymore)
 
One warning: your connective tissue just ain't gonna strengthen and grow at anywhere near the rate of your muscle, so be very careful when out there slamming HR's. You'll feel like a god, but you can still break like a little girl (apologies to Bob Dylan.)
 
Another, over-the-counter weapon in the arsenal for the prostate is saw palmetto.

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I think if you research saw palmetto a little more you'll find out it's not such a great idea for the older adults ... Fact of the matter is , it causes another problem like ED !!
 
i am 44 230 53c 34w 17a doc said i dont need to do ass, but isnt that what they usually say?i am looking to try for first time. any sugesstios would be appriciated. thanks
 
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