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Any Catholics here? Pope stepping down

That's about a blaque pope, this is just a general discussion about the whole, thing, the theories behind it, the feelings it has generated in people, how non catholics but still Christians feel about popes, etc
 
I do find it strange it hasn't happened in the last 600 yrs. it must be awfully taxing for the pope these days considering all the horrific things that have come to light publicly around all the abuse of kids
 
Well the whole idea of priesthood and Popes is dedicating their life to God, hence why most of them do it til death, they dont "take a break" from serving God, I'd understand in case of serious healthy issues, weak heart, dementias, blindness, etc
 
There has to be another reason behind his stepping down. You just dont resign from being THE POPE bcs of failing health. just my .02
 
dusteefartz said:
There has to be another reason behind his stepping down. You just dont resign from being THE POPE bcs of failing health. just my .02
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I thought so too until I read his pace maker went bad a few months back and they had to replace it or the battery or something. If his heart's going bad then there's no point in him staying on as pope.
 
redsamurai said:
I thought so too until I read his pace maker went bad a few months back and they had to replace it or the battery or something. If his heart's going bad then there's no point in him staying on as pope.
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you would think, but health has never stopped any other Pope before.
 
redsamurai said:
I thought so too until I read his pace maker went bad a few months back and they had to replace it or the battery or something. If his heart's going bad then there's no point in him staying on as pope.
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LOL clearly you dont know dick, apparently you "read the majority of an article" and assumed lots of things.
He's had his pacemaker for years now, they just replaced the batteries, that's a simple procedure, it's not severe open heart surgery, it's actually non invasive, a lot of people have pacemakers and get batteries replaced, it doesnt have to compromise their health.
 
cindylou said:
I don't understand...wouldn't that be going against God's will? I mean...how can you just resign?
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Excellent observation! You bring up a good point, but like I said I think there is more to it than just his failing health. I think it's pretty well known that if you take the position..it's for life. The Catholic church as a whole is pretty fucked up organization.
 
nangiggles said:
LOL clearly you dont know dick, apparently you "read the majority of an article" and assumed lots of things.
He's had his pacemaker for years now, they just replaced the batteries, that's a simple procedure, it's not severe open heart surgery, it's actually non invasive, a lot of people have pacemakers and get batteries replaced, it doesnt have to compromise their health.
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no you're right he was probably gettin ready to run a 5k. 85 isn't that old either really. And yeah the clerks at radioshack could probably pop those batteries in and out for you....don't know what I was thinking.
 
redsamurai said:
no you're right he was probably gettin ready to run a 5k. 85 isn't that old either really. And yeah the clerks at radioshack could probably pop those batteries in and out for you....don't know what I was thinking.
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at 87 years old and obviously feeble, don't you think any sort of surgery is a pretty big deal, esp anything to do with the heart?
healthy younger women have died during breat implant surgery
 
binö said:
at 87 years old and obviously feeble, don't you think any sort of surgery is a pretty big deal, esp anything to do with the heart?
healthy younger women have died during breat implant surgery
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yes Bino, that was the point of my obvious sarcasm towards Nans. lol I completely agree.
 
binö said:
at 87 years old and obviously feeble, don't you think any sort of surgery is a pretty big deal, esp anything to do with the heart?
healthy younger women have died during breat implant surgery
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Dude the pacemaker battery replacement is pretty much a replacement of just the actual pacemaker device, the "wires" are the complicated part and those are already in place, replacing is done with local anethesia, hell you can even be fully awake during it, it's not invasive at all, breast implants on the other hand are not minor, u have to be completely under, you get multiple incisions, a foreign body is inserted and can even be rejected, the recovery process is way longer, apples and oranges bro
 
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nangiggles said:
Dude the pacemaker battery replacement is pretty much a replacement of just the actual pacemaker device, the "wires" are the complicated part and those are already in place, replacing is done with local anethesia, hell you can even be fully awake during it, it's not invasive at all, breast implants on the other hand are not minor, u have to be completely under, you get multiple incisions, a foreign body is inserted and can even be rejected, the recovery process is way longer, apples and oranges bro
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isn't the issue that he had to have one in the first place though? and he is pushing 90. I mean he didnt' look "right" from the time they made him pope. I'm surprised he's lasted this long. +
 
redsamurai said:
isn't the issue that he had to have one in the first place though? and he is pushing 90. I mean he didnt' look "right" from the time they made him pope. I'm surprised he's lasted this long. +
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So having a pacemaker should disqualify you from the get go? you're making less and less sense just to support your original comment, he's had the damn thing for almost a decade but has been pope since 2005, it was already clearly stated that the pacemaker and/or his health are NOT an issue and are NOT the reason for his ressignation, he's 85 and has the best medical care available, looot of people are in decent shape in their 85, hell a close family friend is 89 and he had open heart surgery a couple of years ago and a couple before that too, being old doesnt make you useless and it doesnt mean an automatic failing health.
 
nan, you're killing me...i tried txt and a pm...youre not helping my self banning of elite
 
nangiggles said:
So having a pacemaker should disqualify you from the get go? you're making less and less sense just to support your original comment, he's had the damn thing for almost a decade but has been pope since 2005, it was already clearly stated that the pacemaker and/or his health are NOT an issue and are NOT the reason for his ressignation, he's 85 and has the best medical care available, looot of people are in decent shape in their 85, hell a close family friend is 89 and he had open heart surgery a couple of years ago and a couple before that too, being old doesnt make you useless and it doesnt mean an automatic failing health.
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Don't put words in my mouth that I didn't write. Didnt say having a pacemaker makes people useless. What I'm saying is he hasn't looked healthy from the beginning and maybe his failing heart is why. To be fair it's a pretty reasonable amount of responsibility to run the catholic church, and try to piously dictate to the rest of the world how they should behave. It has to take a toll.
 
Maybe he wants to spend more time in his mom's basement "demoing" PC-based games and smoking weed.
 
I'm Catholic and reckon he woke up one morning last week and said " fuck it , i'm bored with this shit "....

" fuck this stupid hat,Rome is full of hawt sluts and i wanna get my dick wet !" :whatever:
 
Im catholic and though I understand the position of pope, I feel it's irrelevant really. Faith is supposed to be based on a relationship with God, a very personal, individual experience that should transcend followers into a utopian viewed perspective that perpetuates love and compassion for everyone. Considering each person will be judged at the end of times based on your life, the notion of others actions impacting your own journey is ridiculous.
Of course this is a religious viewpoint as I acknowledge the athiest, agnostic sect could care less lol
 
dusteefartz said:
Excellent observation! You bring up a good point, but like I said I think there is more to it than just his failing health. I think it's pretty well known that if you take the position..it's for life. The Catholic church as a whole is pretty fucked up organization.
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It's gotta be. I don't know that much about how it works, but isn't everything he does infallible or something? I mean, his life isn't just dedicated to God, isn't he supposed to be like, God's main man? The guy that knows what God wants for the world? God will keep him alive...you don't resign from that job, God takes you outta that job. This is strange to me because if I was the Pope and that position is what I understand it to be, or if I was a Catholic at all this would be a huge deal. This pretty much says to me that he doesn't believe in God, really.
 
cindylou said:
It's gotta be. I don't know that much about how it works, but isn't everything he does infallible or something? I mean, his life isn't just dedicated to God, isn't he supposed to be like, God's main man? The guy that knows what God wants for the world? God will keep him alive...you don't resign from that job, God takes you outta that job. This is strange to me because if I was the Pope and that position is what I understand it to be, or if I was a Catholic at all this would be a huge deal. This pretty much says to me that he doesn't believe in God, really.
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I wouldn't go as far to say he doesn'r beleive in God, but Yes you are correct in the job description. I think it has to do with something he did or the church found out about him..or what he found out about the church...Just speculation...priest's do not have the cleanest hands...(they are only human)..shit like someone said he might of just said fuck it..this whole religon is fucked and I dont want to be on the top of this heaping pile of shit when it comes crashing down....
 
The popes infallibility should not be confused with impeccability. The pope sins as does everyone. The teachings of Christ are infallible,What infallibility does do is prevent a pope from solemnly and formally teaching as truth something that is, in fact, error. It does not help him know what is true, nor does it inspire him to teach what is true. He has to learn the truth the way we all do through study though, he has certain advantages because of his position.
But I agree it's weird he's stepping down, though again irrelevant
 
It's irrelevant in the sense that it does not effect the personal journey of a person or change the foundation of teachings. Who cares he stepped down that's his issue, they'll elect a new pope in a couple weeks. My opinion
 
zeosim said:
It's irrelevant in the sense that it does not effect the personal journey of a person or change the foundation of teachings. Who cares he stepped down that's his issue, they'll elect a new pope in a couple weeks. My opinion
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No one is questioning his faith or his teachings...we are just saying that as Pope it is understood that the position is for life...it is a position that is EXTREAMLY selective and very rare to obtain...so you would think that once you're there you would not leave it. I mean he HAD to know what he was getting into before he decided he wanted to throw his hat in the ring...PLUS he held the position for almost 10 yrs...why now does he want out?? It's just very weird...If this was an uncommon occurance and Popes were a dime a dozen then it would go unnoticed , BUT the last time this happened was over 600 yrs ago..so it's a pretty big thing even if you're not Catholic. Something is going wrong or has gone wrong for a man with that much power to just give it all up. The sad part is that we will never know the whole story, but don't be surprised if shortly after he leaves he's dead.....coincidence?????
 
Well I said before I thought it was weird, and I fully understand what it means for him to step down. If I'm not mistaken he had apprehensions at the electoral stage of becoming pope ( a pope is elected from pre chosen candidates, so he didn't "apply" for the position) I'm as interested as the next for a reason, but I do feel he didn't want it from the beginning and he probably wanted a less pivotal role in the church
 
cindylou said:
It's gotta be. I don't know that much about how it works, but isn't everything he does infallible or something? I mean, his life isn't just dedicated to God, isn't he supposed to be like, God's main man? The guy that knows what God wants for the world? God will keep him alive...you don't resign from that job, God takes you outta that job. This is strange to me because if I was the Pope and that position is what I understand it to be, or if I was a Catholic at all this would be a huge deal. This pretty much says to me that he doesn't believe in God, really.
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This one is plain to see. Cardinal Ratzinberg was in charge of reviewing every sexual abuse case in the Catholic church. He was the main man watching over all this shit when everything was breaking.

I believe he wanted more action from the church. When he became Pope, he tried to get more done but the bureaucracy of the organization can not be broken. At the end of the day, he was even powerless as the Pope.

Now he is being tainted by the HBO special and either he or the church said, fuck it. This sucks. Plus I am old so I can blame it on my health.
 
billfred said:
This one is plain to see. Cardinal Ratzinberg was in charge of reviewing every sexual abuse case in the Catholic church. He was the main man watching over all this shit when everything was breaking.

I believe he wanted more action from the church. When he became Pope, he tried to get more done but the bureaucracy of the organization can not be broken. At the end of the day, he was even powerless as the Pope.

Now he is being tainted by the HBO special and either he or the church said, fuck it. This sucks. Plus I am old so I can blame it on my health.
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I only watch GIRLS on HBO. I'm trying this thing where I don't pay attention to current events.

I hope this means The Judge is coming. I've been waiting on that for a minute.
 
Pope is trying to seek immunity from the Italian government, and I say fuck him persecute every last child molester, it's time to clean out the festering shit of evil men disguised in holiness.
 
zeosim said:
Pope is trying to seek immunity from the Italian government, and I say fuck him persecute every last child molester, it's time to clean out the festering shit of evil men disguised in holiness.
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All we need is for a meteor shower to hit the Vatican instead of a Russian zinc factory and we're sorted!!1
 
zeosim said:
Pope is trying to seek immunity from the Italian government, and I say fuck him persecute every last child molester, it's time to clean out the festering shit of evil men disguised in holiness.
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+1, jail those perverts. The Catholic leadership has been neck deep in Child Molestation scandals several times. The current Pope is known too have tried to sweep crap under the rug in several cases, albeit it was before he was made Pope, but still.

The actions of the catholic leadership in this regard are extremely despicable. And you know what, the entire catholic history is absolutely littered with scandals of various types including murder many times.
 
Well see he plans on staying at the Vatican so yea he's in sovereign territory. I read theres going to be big protests end of march about it, outside the Vatican.
 
AFeedz said:
That doesn't even make sense. The pope doesn't answer to the Italian government.
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Who cares. I'll speeddial Barack right now and have him send in a black ops unit and snatch that faggot up and throw him in Guantanamo.
 
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