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Balls of Steel
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Smalls, why would you be depressed when you are so hot?
If you were ugly I could see, but your not.
If you were ugly I could see, but your not.
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Smalls, there is a quote that I think must be the truest words ever said.
"Between pain and nothing, choose pain."
That's the difference between sadness (something matters so much it hurts) and depression (nothing matters at all).
I've always said that sadness (a normal part of life) is a walk in the park next to depression! A walk in the park while eating a fudgicle!! No matter what tragedies I might have dealt with (my father's death, my best friend's murder, whatever), the feeling is never as bad as depression. 'Cause you want to die.
I do believe it can be biochemical, a snafu in the wiring. I also agree that "depression" in a clinical sense is probably over-diagnosed. Sometimes it's just ... existential angst!! "What's the meaning of it all?" syndrome.
All thinking people go through that (hence the connection that Test Boy wondered about between outer success and the blahs). That's nothing to worry about. But if it lasts, then yes DEFINITELY see someone about meds.
Anyway, you're Smalls! You told me in a pm that you were "easy-going"! DON'T FORGET THAT ABOUT YOURSELF!
And just look at my current thread and think: "At least I'm not HER, now that's just SAD!"
"Between pain and nothing, choose pain."
That's the difference between sadness (something matters so much it hurts) and depression (nothing matters at all).
I've always said that sadness (a normal part of life) is a walk in the park next to depression! A walk in the park while eating a fudgicle!! No matter what tragedies I might have dealt with (my father's death, my best friend's murder, whatever), the feeling is never as bad as depression. 'Cause you want to die.
I do believe it can be biochemical, a snafu in the wiring. I also agree that "depression" in a clinical sense is probably over-diagnosed. Sometimes it's just ... existential angst!! "What's the meaning of it all?" syndrome.
All thinking people go through that (hence the connection that Test Boy wondered about between outer success and the blahs). That's nothing to worry about. But if it lasts, then yes DEFINITELY see someone about meds.
Anyway, you're Smalls! You told me in a pm that you were "easy-going"! DON'T FORGET THAT ABOUT YOURSELF!
And just look at my current thread and think: "At least I'm not HER, now that's just SAD!"
smallmovesal
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as IF i'd think that about you.. silly
Smallmoves---
If you want my opinion here it is:
Drugs can help depression, but the help is only temporary. Scientific studies have found that only in 13% of cases do genetics play the primiary role in creating depression.
This information is gathered from "mono-zygotic" twin adoptions studies. Basically, what scientists do is find 2 identical twins that were reared apart by seperate parents. Because they both have an identical genetic make up, only their enviroments are different. If depression is primarly caused by genetics, then you would find regardless of enviroment, a high correlation of depression in both twins (since enviroment wouldnt effect a person getting depression)
However, they find only a 10-18% concordance rate of depression in twins that were reared apart.
Im telling you this because theres a prevelent misconception in todays media and medical community that "pills" can solve depression. They can most certainly help, but like I said, most of depression orginates from a persons enviroment, more specifically, depression orginates from the "maladaptive" cognitive stratgies people pick up while they are growing up ------they learn to think in irrational ways about themselves and events that effect them. This irrational thinking causes them to see themselves usually in a very negative light. In addition, most events that are positive and fulfilling to non-depressed people, depressed people tend to discount because of their irrational cognitive beliefs.
So , it really comes down to changing permantly your own "cognitive stratgies", or the way you talk to urself. This is called cognitive therapy and its the most effective treatment for depression as compared to drugs and other forms of psychotherapy. What cognitive therapy is , is just cognitive restructuring or learning to think in ways that are more rational and positive. It takes repitition, and its always best to seek the help of a mental health care worker, spefically a psychologist whom you like, that can guide you in this process of cognitive restructing.
But it works. I know from experience. I have social anxiety and was major depression for over 5-6 years of my life. Third year university i was considering killing myself. I know how hard depression can be and I know how much sufffering it brings. I really feel for you. But you can get better, and the way to that is by starting cognitive therapy.
Im a psychology and sociology undergrad at a Canadian university, and one thing we repeatedly learn in my psych classes that deal with mood disorders is that most, especially depression can be treated with drugs, but drugs are not the long term answer. Rather they are a stepping stone, if you will , that give the depressed person a boost to continue with cognitive therapy and their daily activities.
We live in a world where the quick fix is highly praised. Alot of neuropharamcology rests on the assumption that if anti-depressent medication can change neurotransmitter levels, then why shouldnt it permanently change the persons mood? The answer is simple:
1) the brain is extremely complex and neuroscientists are only beginging to uncover how the brain stores information/memorys in molecular form (just changing neurotransmitter levels doesnt address how memory are stored, how information is stored , how "positive" feelings about ones self image can be realeased ectect )
2) the enviroment, and the actions that the person engages in, can alter and change the neurochemical composition in the brain
#2 is fundamental to why and how you will get better. By practicing cognitive therapy, it actually changes the neuronal connections and neurotransmitter levels in ur brain.
Thats alot to digest, but do some research and find a good psychologist who can help you with cognitive therapy. Heres a good self help book too about depression (one of the best):
Feeling GOod: The New Mood Therapy
Dr David Burns
This book outlines cognitive stratigies that you can do at home. OVercoming depression takes time and persistence. Your thought patterns wont change automatically, but once you being cognitive therapy and being doing these little cognitive excerises daily, the brain gets "into the habit" of thinkiing more rationally, and positivly.
Good luck, I know you can do it
If you want my opinion here it is:
Drugs can help depression, but the help is only temporary. Scientific studies have found that only in 13% of cases do genetics play the primiary role in creating depression.
This information is gathered from "mono-zygotic" twin adoptions studies. Basically, what scientists do is find 2 identical twins that were reared apart by seperate parents. Because they both have an identical genetic make up, only their enviroments are different. If depression is primarly caused by genetics, then you would find regardless of enviroment, a high correlation of depression in both twins (since enviroment wouldnt effect a person getting depression)
However, they find only a 10-18% concordance rate of depression in twins that were reared apart.
Im telling you this because theres a prevelent misconception in todays media and medical community that "pills" can solve depression. They can most certainly help, but like I said, most of depression orginates from a persons enviroment, more specifically, depression orginates from the "maladaptive" cognitive stratgies people pick up while they are growing up ------they learn to think in irrational ways about themselves and events that effect them. This irrational thinking causes them to see themselves usually in a very negative light. In addition, most events that are positive and fulfilling to non-depressed people, depressed people tend to discount because of their irrational cognitive beliefs.
So , it really comes down to changing permantly your own "cognitive stratgies", or the way you talk to urself. This is called cognitive therapy and its the most effective treatment for depression as compared to drugs and other forms of psychotherapy. What cognitive therapy is , is just cognitive restructuring or learning to think in ways that are more rational and positive. It takes repitition, and its always best to seek the help of a mental health care worker, spefically a psychologist whom you like, that can guide you in this process of cognitive restructing.
But it works. I know from experience. I have social anxiety and was major depression for over 5-6 years of my life. Third year university i was considering killing myself. I know how hard depression can be and I know how much sufffering it brings. I really feel for you. But you can get better, and the way to that is by starting cognitive therapy.
Im a psychology and sociology undergrad at a Canadian university, and one thing we repeatedly learn in my psych classes that deal with mood disorders is that most, especially depression can be treated with drugs, but drugs are not the long term answer. Rather they are a stepping stone, if you will
, that give the depressed person a boost to continue with cognitive therapy and their daily activities. We live in a world where the quick fix is highly praised. Alot of neuropharamcology rests on the assumption that if anti-depressent medication can change neurotransmitter levels, then why shouldnt it permanently change the persons mood? The answer is simple:
1) the brain is extremely complex and neuroscientists are only beginging to uncover how the brain stores information/memorys in molecular form (just changing neurotransmitter levels doesnt address how memory are stored, how information is stored , how "positive" feelings about ones self image can be realeased ectect )
2) the enviroment, and the actions that the person engages in, can alter and change the neurochemical composition in the brain
#2 is fundamental to why and how you will get better. By practicing cognitive therapy, it actually changes the neuronal connections and neurotransmitter levels in ur brain.
Thats alot to digest, but do some research and find a good psychologist who can help you with cognitive therapy. Heres a good self help book too about depression (one of the best):
Feeling GOod: The New Mood Therapy
Dr David Burns
This book outlines cognitive stratigies that you can do at home. OVercoming depression takes time and persistence. Your thought patterns wont change automatically, but once you being cognitive therapy and being doing these little cognitive excerises daily, the brain gets "into the habit" of thinkiing more rationally, and positivly.
Good luck, I know you can do it
musclebrains
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smallmovesal said:
You only need to call to see if you can increase your dose. The psychiatrist who supervises my clients' meds, like most, permits them to experiment with their dosages.
Frankly, I tell my clients in your position to go ahead and increase their doses immediately and then call the MD asap. But if yoiu dont' have that agreement, I guess you shouldn't.
I am interested that so many guys here tell you you shouldn't be depressed because you're beautiful (which you certainly are). And yet, here, on a board where many guys are shooting steroids to look better, many are reporting depression themselves.
smallmovesal
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thanks... i know it's temporary but everytime i start getting/feeling ok i just fall again.
i know i'll get better eventually... i'm trying to stay more positive. i have really good days and then really bad ones...
i know i'll get better eventually... i'm trying to stay more positive. i have really good days and then really bad ones...
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Balls of Steel
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This board depresses me. I cant stand arguing with people who aren't even in my league when it comes to intelligence.
btw, in response to musclebrains post
gonadal steroids indirectly effect neurotransmitter levels. Its best not to be on steroids if ur suspectable to depression, since some will give u that "Crash" feeling after u go off.
I took a course on hormnes and behaviour/endcrinology, so Im no specialist, but I do know steroids do effect neurotransmitter levels, so u might want to take that under advisement
gonadal steroids indirectly effect neurotransmitter levels. Its best not to be on steroids if ur suspectable to depression, since some will give u that "Crash" feeling after u go off.
I took a course on hormnes and behaviour/endcrinology, so Im no specialist, but I do know steroids do effect neurotransmitter levels, so u might want to take that under advisement
smallmovesal
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lol look at me... i ain't on anything...
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Balls of Steel
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I hear when hamhock gets depressed, he just starts counting the hairs on his dick. But after 20 seconds, he is depressed again and has to start counting the hairs on his bf's dick.
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