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nandrolone and trenbolone are two items that should not be used as the very last steroid in a cycle
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hey guys,
What do you think about this:
Gonna start a sust 500/ deca 400 cycle for ten weeks. What do you think about front loading the deca at 800 mgs per week for the first two weeks?
This would stop the deca after 8 weeks while i still have two weeks of sust shots left. Will this help recovery?
Thanks bros,
Whoopazz
What do you think about this:
Gonna start a sust 500/ deca 400 cycle for ten weeks. What do you think about front loading the deca at 800 mgs per week for the first two weeks?
This would stop the deca after 8 weeks while i still have two weeks of sust shots left. Will this help recovery?
Thanks bros,
Whoopazz
is it useless to use clomid during a cycle of test??
i'm doing 600 mg of test enth for ten weeks then taper. on 2nd week now. i was going to start taking 50 mg of clomid eod just to keep natural test production running and keep my nuts swelled. i am ordering some liquidex which seems to be a good idea from what i have read.
i'm doing 600 mg of test enth for ten weeks then taper. on 2nd week now. i was going to start taking 50 mg of clomid eod just to keep natural test production running and keep my nuts swelled. i am ordering some liquidex which seems to be a good idea from what i have read.
The sust shots at the end have nothing to do with your recovery. The thing you will have to look at is when did I stop the deca. It is best to start your clomid in the 4th week following deca injections. Since the sust is only two weeks later and will have probably cleared after the second week, then you should still be using the clomid in the 4th week following the deca.
That's right. Your clomid will do nothing to help keep your natural test running in the face of all those androgens. Nothing. You should have your arimidex NOW.
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That's right. Your clomid will do nothing to help keep your natural test running in the face of all those androgens. Nothing. You should have your arimidex NOW.
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"Andy I know tren clears very quickly compared to eq, but I don't know that that is the only factor to consider. As you hang here listening to hundreds of guys complaining that they are crashing harder when they used tren you will see a pattern. Those that use tren along with eq, and most do, have a harder time recovering than those who use eq with test. I don't know why for sure, I only know that tren is 3 times as anabolic and twice as androgenic as test, so maybe it's just that the harder you get kicked in the testicals the longer it takes to recover."
ULTER, my guess is that it is not the relative androgenicity of trenbolone that is causing the "crash", but the speed by which it is excreted from the system. As ANDY stated, suppression is a given on any cycle of this sort, but with longer acting agents such as boldenone enanthate, the androgen is still in present for a period of time, whereas with tren acetate, you are flying high, then BOOM!!!, rock bottom.
Another consideration is the relative androgenicity on the CNS. Since we know that tren is a potent AR agonist and has considerable effects on the nervous system, we may want to think about psychoactive agents as bridging drugs. People have only been looking at anabolic agents to counter the loss of muscle tissue during a bridge, but maybe also adding something like l-dopa, bromocryptine, adderall, ritalin, etc., may counter the psychological crash, which may hinder any depression that may occur.
ULTER, my guess is that it is not the relative androgenicity of trenbolone that is causing the "crash", but the speed by which it is excreted from the system. As ANDY stated, suppression is a given on any cycle of this sort, but with longer acting agents such as boldenone enanthate, the androgen is still in present for a period of time, whereas with tren acetate, you are flying high, then BOOM!!!, rock bottom.
Another consideration is the relative androgenicity on the CNS. Since we know that tren is a potent AR agonist and has considerable effects on the nervous system, we may want to think about psychoactive agents as bridging drugs. People have only been looking at anabolic agents to counter the loss of muscle tissue during a bridge, but maybe also adding something like l-dopa, bromocryptine, adderall, ritalin, etc., may counter the psychological crash, which may hinder any depression that may occur.
Willyumyum
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mtrl_29 said:
Just wait till after to take your clomid... it's not worth taking during cycle and I'm not even sure that keeping your natural test going is possible or even good to do while you are on cycle...
YUM
CD I think that might actually only mask the crash but when you're in the middle of crashing you don't care. A remedy for an existing crash I would agree, a planned bridging agent doesn't seem to as good an idea.
As you know back in the mid to late eighties a crash was just part of the game. There were no clomid remedies, so most guys, like me, used to just crash. If you've ever done it hard you know it lasts up to 8 weeks. I would have been very greatful to avoid the psychological crash because it practically has you in tears every day. But the physical, at least when you're in it, seems to be tied to the psychological and it's hard to tell if the mental anguish is what's draining you or if you are physically drained. But if someone said."here's some adderall you'll be happy again" I would have been all over it.
As you know back in the mid to late eighties a crash was just part of the game. There were no clomid remedies, so most guys, like me, used to just crash. If you've ever done it hard you know it lasts up to 8 weeks. I would have been very greatful to avoid the psychological crash because it practically has you in tears every day. But the physical, at least when you're in it, seems to be tied to the psychological and it's hard to tell if the mental anguish is what's draining you or if you are physically drained. But if someone said."here's some adderall you'll be happy again" I would have been all over it.
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