anavar as a bridge

[airsmith2k]

hey has anyone used anavar as a bridge? i know it doesnt effect the hpta at all so could u come off and will the your body start producing test like normal again even during the use of anavar?

 

[9ball]

good ?
I've read that too, but have also read that it still supresses you! Iwould like to see what other people think, though???

 

[Varga]

AAS will supress HPTA, depending on the dosage and compounds used it can do it more or less but HPTA will get supressed
Bridging will do nothing for you unless you decide to stay on AAS year round, then it just gives your body a break but not the HPTA.

 

[tin2]

Why dont you use proviron as a bridge ... I do and it works great...

 

[Mrpumped]

You can use 30-40mg/ed for a bridge. It will supress you but what is your reason for bridging so you can be helped properly?

 

[9ball]

This is from bodybuiling.com

Mesterolone is generally well liked nonetheless as it delivers very few side-effects in men. In high doses it can cause some virilization symptoms in women. But because of the high level of deactivation and pre-destination in the system (albumin, SHBG, 3bHSD, aromatase) quite a lot of it, if not all simply never reaches the androgen receptor where it would cause anabolic effects, but also side-effects. So its relatively safe. Doses between 25 and 250 mg per day are used with no adverse effects. 50 mg per day is usually sufficient to be effective in each of the four cases we mentioned up above, so going higher really isn't necessary. Unlike what some suggest or believe, its not advised that Proviron be used when not used in conjunction with another steroid, as it too is quite suppressive of natural testosterone, leading to all sorts of future complications upon discontinuation. Ranging from loss of libido or erectile dysfunction all the way up to infertility. One would not be aware of such dangers because Proviron fulfills most of the functions of normal levels of testosterone.

 

[9ball]

My bad, on the color choice, here it is again!

Mesterolone is generally well liked nonetheless as it delivers very few side-effects in men. In high doses it can cause some virilization symptoms in women. But because of the high level of deactivation and pre-destination in the system (albumin, SHBG, 3bHSD, aromatase) quite a lot of it, if not all simply never reaches the androgen receptor where it would cause anabolic effects, but also side-effects. So its relatively safe. Doses between 25 and 250 mg per day are used with no adverse effects. 50 mg per day is usually sufficient to be effective in each of the four cases we mentioned up above, so going higher really isn't necessary. Unlike what some suggest or believe, its not advised that Proviron be used when not used in conjunction with another steroid, as it too is quite suppressive of natural testosterone, leading to all sorts of future complications upon discontinuation. Ranging from loss of libido or erectile dysfunction all the way up to infertility. One would not be aware of such dangers because Proviron fulfills most of the functions of normal levels of testosterone.

 

[Varga]

THis is why

Mesterolone is generally well liked nonetheless as it delivers very few side-effects in men. In high doses it can cause some virilization symptoms in women. But because of the high level of deactivation and pre-destination in the system (albumin, SHBG, 3bHSD, aromatase) quite a lot of it, if not all simply never reaches the androgen receptor where it would cause anabolic effects, but also side-effects. So its relatively safe. Doses between 25 and 250 mg per day are used with no adverse effects. 50 mg per day is usually sufficient to be effective in each of the four cases we mentioned up above, so going higher really isn't necessary. Unlike what some suggest or believe, its not advised that Proviron be used when not used in conjunction with another steroid, as it too is quite suppressive of natural testosterone, leading to all sorts of future complications upon discontinuation. Ranging from loss of libido or erectile dysfunction all the way up to infertility. One would not be aware of such dangers because Proviron fulfills most of the functions of normal levels of testosterone.

 

[Mrpumped]

This is from bodybuiling.com

Mesterolone is generally well liked nonetheless as it delivers very few side-effects in men. In high doses it can cause some virilization symptoms in women. But because of the high level of deactivation and pre-destination in the system (albumin, SHBG, 3bHSD, aromatase) quite a lot of it, if not all simply never reaches the androgen receptor where it would cause anabolic effects, but also side-effects. So its relatively safe. Doses between 25 and 250 mg per day are used with no adverse effects. 50 mg per day is usually sufficient to be effective in each of the four cases we mentioned up above, so going higher really isn't necessary. Unlike what some suggest or believe, its not advised that Proviron be used when not used in conjunction with another steroid, as it too is quite suppressive of natural testosterone, leading to all sorts of future complications upon discontinuation. Ranging from loss of libido or erectile dysfunction all the way up to infertility. One would not be aware of such dangers because Proviron fulfills most of the functions of normal levels of testosterone.

That's bullshit. Proviron has been used by so many people during and off cycle with no problems. It frees up bound test and helps with libido as well as a weak anti e. Allthough it does supress the HPTA but very little. Not enough to stop natural test from producing.

 

[airsmith2k]

You can use 30-40mg/ed for a bridge. It will supress you but what is your reason for bridging so you can be helped properly?

yeah i really dont wanna stop anytime soon but i do want to give my body a break and do somethin like anavar for a while

 

[tin2]

still not taking a break.. U should just go off and do a PCT .. thats more of a break.. either that or stay on

 

[needtogetaas]

hey has anyone used anavar as a bridge? i know it doesnt effect the hpta at all so could u come off and will the your body start producing test like normal again even during the use of anavar?

no such thing as a bridge imo....your ether on or your off thats it.

 

[airsmith2k]

still not taking a break.. U should just go off and do a PCT .. thats more of a break.. either that or stay on

yeah but its definitely better for your body to get off test for a while and do somethin like anavar instead of stayin on test for 6 months

 

[paradox]

Have you considered running GH/IGF-1 with PCT?

 

[airsmith2k]

yeah it would be a good idea but gh is so damn expensive lol i did 2 kits once and it did lean me out alot but my hands were throbbing and my foot grew a shoe size

Have you considered running GH/IGF-1 with PCT?

 

[Nelson Montana]

no such thing as a bridge imo....your ether on or your off thats it.

Correct. And everybody has to let go of this belief that var is somehow benign. It's liver toxic, causes supression and is muder on your lipids. It, like winstrol, was considered weak because the tab dosages were low, but when you start taking 40-50-60 mgs a day you won't be recovering very well with your HDL in the toilet.

 

[iHulk]

Correct. And everybody has to let go of this belief that var is somehow benign. It's liver toxic, causes supression and is muder on your lipids. It, like winstrol, was considered weak because the tab dosages were low, but when you start taking 40-50-60 mgs a day you won't be recovering very well with your HDL in the toilet.

oxandrolone is minimally metabolized by the liver, thereby avoiding most drug interactions and the liver toxicity often seen with other steroids. Even people whose livers where badly damaged by alcohol, and therefore were unable to take many drugs, did well on oxandrolone. Medical fact.

 

[perp69]

I hear a lot guys saying to use orals as bridges, which makes no sense to me. If you are going to do a so called "bridge" why would you choose an oral over an injectable oil? Low dose Test would be ideal if you are going to run something continuous especially compared to all negatives associated with orals. A bridge is just another term for a cycle IMO.

Perp

 

[Nelson Montana]

oxandrolone is minimally metabolized by the liver, thereby avoiding most drug interactions and the liver toxicity often seen with other steroids. Even people whose livers where badly damaged by alcohol, and therefore were unable to take many drugs, did well on oxandrolone. Medical fact.

I would question that fact. Var is still 17 AA which puts tremendous strain on the liver. I'd like to see where peoples livers improved while on 30 mgs of var. (And why would people with damaged livers from alcohol be prescribed var?)

 

[iHulk]

I would question that fact. Var is still 17 AA which puts tremendous strain on the liver. I'd like to see where peoples livers improved while on 30 mgs of var. (And why would people with damaged livers from alcohol be prescribed var?)

Medical journals regarding wasting with AIDS usually have patients with liver problems associated with their disease. Oxandrolone has been found to be reasonably safe and effective for children and for people with alcohol related liver-disease. The drug is taken orally and has few significant side effects at dosages effective against severe chronic wasting. It is extremely cheap to manufacture, however its manufacturer has chosen to artificially and exploitively inflate the price of oxandrolone.

" Oxandrolone has been extensively studied in children with growth disorders and adult men with alcoholic hepatitis, an inflammation of the liver that is often accompanied by wasting. It has been shown very safe and effective for treating alcoholic hepatitis related wasting and it is believed that the metabolic problems associated with this condition are similar to those found in HIV-wasting.

Doctors' reluctance to prescribe oxandrolone, and PWA's unawareness of it, arise from a number of reasons that have nothing to do with good quality health care. One important reason is that oxandrolone is in a class of drugs known as anabolic steroids. These drugs are sometimes used by athletes to enhance strength or performance and over the past several decades have been unfairly demonized. In fact, oxandrolone at therapeutic dosages is a proven safe and effective drug for treating wasting and is not commonly associated with the dangerous side effects of other steroids, though those warnings are required to appear on the label.

Typical of many doctors was the attitude Dr. Duane Goldberg, reported in the spring 1996 issue of UC-Fresno's Inline Magazine. Dr. Goldberg prescribed oxandrolone under the brand name Anavar for a patient who had been diagnosed with AIDS for two years and had wasted from an athletic 6foot-2inch 210 pounds to 150 pounds. "To tell you the truth," Goldberg said, "I really didn't want to prescribe the Anavar as I wasn't sure what would happen. The literature I had read was brand new, only tried on a few patients back East. But I had to do something."

Goldberg's patient was a man similar to many PWA's who enter a wasting state and often give up hope and die without ever receiving effective anti-wasting treatment. "I was dying, fast. I didn't want to eat, and I was extremely weak," he reports. "Now, I'm back up to 190 pounds, and my immune system is healthy. I have no doubt that this is because of Anavar."

Unlike other anabolic steroids, such as testosterone, oxandrolone is minimally metabolized by the liver, thereby avoiding most drug interactions and the liver toxicity often seen with other steroids. Even people whose livers where badly damaged by alcohol, and therefore were unable to take many drugs, did well on oxandrolone.

Oxandrolone has been approved by the FDA since the early 1960's at a dosage of 5-10 mg per day for conditions which included weight loss "due to extensive surgery, chronic infection, severe trauma, failure to gain or maintain weight without definite pathophysiologic reasons [and] protein catabolism due to prolonged corticosteroid administration." Since HIV wasting is the result of a chronic infection and is often without definite cause, oxandrolone is clearly indicated and FDA approved for HIV-related wasting at the dose of 5-10 mg per day.

However, based upon studies in alcoholic hepatitis patients and more limited studies in people with AIDS, many researchers and activists believe that the effective dose of oxandrolone may be much higher than the FDA indicated dose, forty to eighty milligrams per day. Although the approved dose is only 10 mg per day, many physicians have prescribed higher, "off-label" doses of oxandrolone.

At the present time, insurance companies are in general covering the cost of oxandrolone, but some have reportedly balked at paying for the full effective dose because it is not "FDA approved." This, however, is something of a misuse of an FDA approval. While many insurance policies have exclusion clauses for ìexperimentalî treatments, using a drug that has been approved and shown effective for its intended purpose cannot fairly be characterized as experimental.

Like all anabolic steroids, oxandrolone is a Schedule III controlled substance, which discourages some physicians from prescribing it, especially at dosages higher than the norm. As a result, a patient may need to persuade their doctor to prescribe it."

 

[Nelson Montana]

Medical journals regarding wasting with AIDS usually have patients with liver problems associated with their disease. Oxandrolone has been found to be reasonably safe and effective for children and for people with alcohol related liver-disease. The drug is taken orally and has few significant side effects at dosages effective against severe chronic wasting. It is extremely cheap to manufacture, however its manufacturer has chosen to artificially and exploitively inflate the price of oxandrolone.

" Oxandrolone has been extensively studied in children with growth disorders and adult men with alcoholic hepatitis, an inflammation of the liver that is often accompanied by wasting. It has been shown very safe and effective for treating alcoholic hepatitis related wasting and it is believed that the metabolic problems associated with this condition are similar to those found in HIV-wasting.

Doctors' reluctance to prescribe oxandrolone, and PWA's unawareness of it, arise from a number of reasons that have nothing to do with good quality health care. One important reason is that oxandrolone is in a class of drugs known as anabolic steroids. These drugs are sometimes used by athletes to enhance strength or performance and over the past several decades have been unfairly demonized. In fact, oxandrolone at therapeutic dosages is a proven safe and effective drug for treating wasting and is not commonly associated with the dangerous side effects of other steroids, though those warnings are required to appear on the label.

Typical of many doctors was the attitude Dr. Duane Goldberg, reported in the spring 1996 issue of UC-Fresno's Inline Magazine. Dr. Goldberg prescribed oxandrolone under the brand name Anavar for a patient who had been diagnosed with AIDS for two years and had wasted from an athletic 6foot-2inch 210 pounds to 150 pounds. "To tell you the truth," Goldberg said, "I really didn't want to prescribe the Anavar as I wasn't sure what would happen. The literature I had read was brand new, only tried on a few patients back East. But I had to do something."

Goldberg's patient was a man similar to many PWA's who enter a wasting state and often give up hope and die without ever receiving effective anti-wasting treatment. "I was dying, fast. I didn't want to eat, and I was extremely weak," he reports. "Now, I'm back up to 190 pounds, and my immune system is healthy. I have no doubt that this is because of Anavar."

Unlike other anabolic steroids, such as testosterone, oxandrolone is minimally metabolized by the liver, thereby avoiding most drug interactions and the liver toxicity often seen with other steroids. Even people whose livers where badly damaged by alcohol, and therefore were unable to take many drugs, did well on oxandrolone.

Oxandrolone has been approved by the FDA since the early 1960's at a dosage of 5-10 mg per day for conditions which included weight loss "due to extensive surgery, chronic infection, severe trauma, failure to gain or maintain weight without definite pathophysiologic reasons [and] protein catabolism due to prolonged corticosteroid administration." Since HIV wasting is the result of a chronic infection and is often without definite cause, oxandrolone is clearly indicated and FDA approved for HIV-related wasting at the dose of 5-10 mg per day.

However, based upon studies in alcoholic hepatitis patients and more limited studies in people with AIDS, many researchers and activists believe that the effective dose of oxandrolone may be much higher than the FDA indicated dose, forty to eighty milligrams per day. Although the approved dose is only 10 mg per day, many physicians have prescribed higher, "off-label" doses of oxandrolone.

At the present time, insurance companies are in general covering the cost of oxandrolone, but some have reportedly balked at paying for the full effective dose because it is not "FDA approved." This, however, is something of a misuse of an FDA approval. While many insurance policies have exclusion clauses for ìexperimentalî treatments, using a drug that has been approved and shown effective for its intended purpose cannot fairly be characterized as experimental.

Like all anabolic steroids, oxandrolone is a Schedule III controlled substance, which discourages some physicians from prescribing it, especially at dosages higher than the norm. As a result, a patient may need to persuade their doctor to prescribe it."

Interesting. But as far as I can tell (maybe I'm wrong, it's late and I'm tired) but that is just the opinion of one doctor quoted in an issue of a magazine in 1996 using 5-10 mgs.

There is reference to "many researchers" but doesn't say who or where. Not trying to be difficult, just curious.

Maybe in someone with a wasting disease it's better to be strong, but I still can't see how a 17AA can't be a stress to the liver since by nature it works by forcing the liver to stop doing what it wants to do. I'd think test would be a better choice for Aids patients.

 

[iHulk]

could be, but the magazine is actually a respected trade journal that is up on experimental medicines and as such most of the Doctors are well-known. The recent edition has a people doing clinical trials of a rapid absorbing insulin with a company called Biodel (and they just went public under the symbol BIOD).

about Biodel:
Biodel Inc. is a specialty pharmaceutical company that develops novel formulations of FDA approved therapeutics to treat endocrine disorders such as diabetes and osteoporosis. Biodel’s products are created by utilizing the company's proprietary VIAdel™ technology, which enables rapid delivery of drugs into the blood through various routes of administration, resulting in faster onset of action and safety, compliance, and convenience benefits for patients.

Biodel's proprietary VIAdel™ technology allows for a more effective delivery of endocrine therapeutics as well as increased efficacy and safety. This patented technology is applicable to a wide range of peptides, proteins and other macromolecules. Biodel's lead drug candidates VIAject™, a very rapid-acting injectable insulin and VIAtab™, a very rapid acting oral sub-lingual insulin utilize VIAdel™ technology. Additionally, Biodel is developing other therapies, such as VIAmass™ and VIAcal™, to treat a variety of endocrine disorders based on the VIAdel™ technology. All of Biodel's proprietary technologies and products have been developed in-house and patents have been filed.

 

[slat1]

no such thing as a bridge imo....your ether on or your off thats it.

THANK YOU!
It should be noted also that anavar will suppress your natural production with as little at 5mgs a day.
What blows my mind is people see what they want to see. Someone posted a study and said it was proof it was not suppressive. The reality was they did not understand the words used in the study. It clearly stated it did suppress the HPTA!
As N2 said you are either off or on...