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An alternative Career to being an attorney -- LAPD?

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What do you all think? With my education, I would get a higher salary than many... (My law degree wouldn't give me much), but it sounds like it would be more of an adventure than being an attorney... perhaps less rewarding (financially)...

But at the rate I am going at now to get a job, and with the current hirings at the LAPD (as well as OPD and CHP) I could start making a salary relatively soon, rather than working at a legal position that I might despise.

Just looking for some imput... or maybe a way to kill myself if SG responds.

C-ditty
 
Are you white?
Do you hate all black people?
Will you be willing to beat black people, even if being videotaped?

If you answered yes to all those questions, you may qualify for the LAPD

;)
 
Citruscide, Is it true that a lawyer today needs to be in the top 2% of there class to be considered to make it as a lawyer? I heard there are so many lawyers and doctors in the world that only the top percent make it?
 
AAA... Thank you.

It is extremely difficult to get a job as an attorney now a days. People in the top 10% of the gruaduating class of Univerisity of Chicago are not getting hired (UC is top 3 in the nation). I graudated in the top 37% from DePaul... which is maybe, if lucky in the top 75 schools. What chance do I have?

I'm convinced the only way to get an attorney job is to have 5 years experience or to know someone... family friend, friend, or so on... .ONLY WAY.

C-ditty, gonna apply to LAPD and kick some ass. :)
 
Dont give up that easy! Some people are just book smart, Its how you apply that stuff in the real world that counts! AAA
 
I've often kept Police service in the back of my head as a good backup plan...

You start out low.. but can advance quickly. Your size will help you, but your brains will help you even more. You get diveristy in your job, you get to help people in many cases, I think it would be rewarding. Financially it can pay quite a bit down the line... Make Detective or Captain... you'd be set.

If you are lucky you can end up like Dezel in Training Day and make millions in drug money.

How would you feel if you were told to take a call and the guy had streroids on him..... would you treat that differently then if he had crack?

Brian
 
he got killed.. but he didn't have a law degree.... CitrusCide wont make the same mistakes.... we'll make sure he sees the movie first so he knows not what to do (ie piss off the homies)
 
If you are considering law enforcement try the FBI. With your degree, you would be high on their list.
 
thanks for the suggestions guys... I've sent out many inquiry letters and calls. Bounty Hunter... that sounds cool.

C-ditty ;)
 
exactly what happened to me. There're few jobs as an attorney available. And those I could find were paying around 20K a year. What a joke, especially when you spent over 4 years including bar school.

Dunno about LAPD. What are you looking for ? Patrol officer ? Detective ? SWAT ?

One thing: you better like it or you'll find that shit borring as hell.
 
I'd hope to get into being a detective... but I'd still have to put some time into the police officer patrol thing, I could deal with it, for sheezy! :)

C-ditty
 
Citruscide said:
I'd hope to get into being a detective... but I'd still have to put some time into the police officer patrol thing, I could deal with it, for sheezy! :)

C-ditty
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Depends on the Police dep.

Some like the FBI and NYPD (I think) allow you to go directly as a detective if you already have a degree in law or criminology. Others will ask you to serve at least 4-5 years as a patrol officer.
 
manny78 said:


Depends on the Police dep.

Some like the FBI and NYPD (I think) allow you to go directly as a detective if you already have a degree in law or criminology. Others will ask you to serve at least 4-5 years as a patrol officer.
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LAPD requires an 11 month probationary period, after which you may apply to take the detectives test... I imagine there is a long line...

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Citruscide said:


LAPD requires an 11 month probationary period, after which you may apply to take the detectives test... I imagine there is a long line...

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11 months thats nothing compared to most Police dep. BTW it doesnt matter how many guys are waiting in the line. Just be sure to be the best. Having a degree, being a good shooter, good shape and many other things can help you.
 
Look into the Secret Service as well. They are taking on a lot of responsibility with all this Homeland Securty shit. My boy (with a degree in criminal justice) just got hired a few weeks ago, after only applying in june or so.

He had to take about 3 different test (all were 'easy, common sense shit' according to him, and you have to pass a lie detector test and background investigation.

The plus of something like that is that you can travel to just about anywhere you want to go on their dime....

bern
 
I knew it. Musclebrains made a post a few months ago about how alot of his clients were lawyers who couldn't stand their jobs.

What is your bachelors in? Is it criminal justice? perhaps you can get a graduate degree in something else.

I thought it took about 10 years of patrol work to get into any investigative/detective squad.
 
I looked at the LAPD site and you can apply for detective test and take it after your probationary period... of 11 months.

My degree is in criminal justice, and I shot the bank on my criminal law/procedure classes in law school.

C-ditty
 
pm me if you have any law enforcement questions. ask saint he knows why. also why not california parole they are law enforcement carry guns and only deal with criminals
 
I'd have to give Hitman job a A on salary... but a C- on illegality and possible prison time... yeah... not good... (Dr.Evil Voice)

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Citruscide said:
It is extremely difficult to get a job as an attorney now a days. People in the top 10% of the gruaduating class of Univerisity of Chicago are not getting hired (UC is top 3 in the nation). I graudated in the top 37% from DePaul... which is maybe, if lucky in the top 75 schools. What chance do I have?

I'm convinced the only way to get an attorney job is to have 5 years experience or to know someone... family friend, friend, or so on... .ONLY WAY.
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I'm sorry, but this is extremely exaggerated. Graduating in the top 10% of the #3 School will most definitely get you a job, it just depends on how much you are willing to work for. In Texas you would be making in excess of 100,000 a year with those credentials. I know of 4 law graduates this past year who graduated in the bottom 50% from a 4th tier school in Texas and are making a starting salary in the 40's.

You are only focusing on the negatives and not looking at the big picture, the vast majority (70-80%) of law grads are hired within a year of passing the bar, check the stats.

Also, the 2nd part of your post is true of pretty much any profession, out of the 80% that were hired, I would assume that 70% were hired due to networking and not turning in a faceless resume. Are you telling me that you have no networks in the legal profession??

Here is an example of a network:

Imagine you are a recruiter for a firm, and you have a choice between someone who was friends with your son in High school, or someone who you know nothing about, (aside from a resume). The fact that you went to High school and are friends with his son gives you a huge advantage. You could call up your old friend, get his dad's #, and boom, you now have a seasoned attorney in your network who will recommend your services to others. This is the way business works and the way jobs are found. You have to get plugged in the network.

Perhaps I am telling you nothing that you don't already know, but I find it troubling that you are willing to throw away 3 years of law school drudgery and a year of passing to bar because you can't seem to find a job right away. This leads me to believe that you never truly wanted to be a lawyer, you just kinda wanted to be one and make serious cash, otherwise you would not be seriously considering taking a HUGE step back so soon after graduation. Why not private practice if nothing else?? Make your own schedule, select your own clients. My father has been working on his own for 30+ years making 50K a year in Bankrupcy. I'm just confused why you are willing to throw it all away so soon.
 
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Thanks NatyMike for the blinding insight.

You speak to me as if I have never "looked at the stats"? I have looked at the stats. I know at least 20 people in Chicago, in the top 10 percent of their schools, from GOOD schools, who can't get a fucking interview. Stats be damned. Exaggerated, you damn right, UNDERexaggerated.

I did work at a job for 45K a year in Chicago, it was piss crazy work doing property tax in a firm with ONE partner... I did all the file work, went to court, yatta yatta yatta... and he met with NEW clients adding to my workload. 45K? You gotta be shitting me.

I don't know what the cost of living in Texas is... as you consider yourselves a seperate nation, but in Chicago, and now Orange County, the cost of living is high my brother.

I have done the research, I have been on a numbe of interviews... internet job sites don't work...

I have run the trial, I have run the race... it is time for me to CONSIDER other paths... .bottom line.

C-ditty
 
:devil:
Being a cop is having the ability to be a hypocrite. How many cops bust themselves for breaking the laws the swear to uphold?
It's basically being a rat with a badge. Don't try and church my statements up, it is the truth!
 
98% of Chicago grads are listed as employed within 6 months of graduation. I guess, by your logic, this number should be more like 1%?? I would be willing to bet that the 20 people you know, who can't get an interview, are shooting for the top firms in Chicago, this would make sense, but you clearly said that they "can't find jobs". You are distorting the picture, more likely than not, they can't find jobs that pay well over 100,000 starting out.


There are 40,000 new lawyers each year, you are basically saying that if the top attorneys can not get jobs, then the remaining 39,900 graduates are left unemployed. This line of thinking is ridiculous. You can't take what you see in personal experiences and blanket the entire profession. You need to change the "can't find jobs" to "can't find HIGH PAYING jobs". You found a job right away making 45K. Making 45K starting out is fine by me. (and the cost of living in Texas is average) Expect to pay 700-800 a month for a decent 1 bed room apt.

Good luck with your future endeavors, and if 45K wasn't sufficient, be prepared to live modestly in the 30's as a police officer.
 
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Fuck law.

I was going to go to law school. Then I did a complete 180.

Pharmacy. Gonna start pharm school soon.

Then open up my own Pharmacy and only serve midgets. Those tall counters at the normal pharmacy pisses them the FUCK off. My pharmacy will be midget friendly.
 
Citruscide said:
What do you all think? With my education, I would get a higher salary than many... (My law degree wouldn't give me much), but it sounds like it would be more of an adventure than being an attorney... perhaps less rewarding (financially)...

But at the rate I am going at now to get a job, and with the current hirings at the LAPD (as well as OPD and CHP) I could start making a salary relatively soon, rather than working at a legal position that I might despise.

Just looking for some imput... or maybe a way to kill myself if SG responds.

C-ditty
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I am not an LEO, I do know one though. Firstly, the hours are not good as an LEO, you work nights, weekends when everyone else is having a good time. Secondly, you are doing a dangerous job - where most folks would run away it is your JOB to stick around and catch the bad guys. Make sure you know what you are getting yourself into.

Plus side - you will be doing something really good for society and many will respect you for it. I certainly would, I have nothing but the greatest admiration for those who chose to fight crime, even if there are a few bad apples.

You will also deal with a lot of aggravation and harassment on the job from crims of various types. It's stressful, the LEO I know/knew feels it's worth it because she is doing some good for folks.

Think about it carefully, it's ot something to do "just to get hired".
 
Citruscide said:
AAA... Thank you.

It is extremely difficult to get a job as an attorney now a days. People in the top 10% of the gruaduating class of Univerisity of Chicago are not getting hired (UC is top 3 in the nation). I graudated in the top 37% from DePaul... which is maybe, if lucky in the top 75 schools. What chance do I have?

I'm convinced the only way to get an attorney job is to have 5 years experience or to know someone... family friend, friend, or so on... .ONLY WAY.

C-ditty, gonna apply to LAPD and kick some ass. :)
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Or move to Jacksonville, FL. We will need quite a few over the next few months. 80K - 150K depends on experience. And you can work for me!!
 
Once again Citrus: why dont you consider the FBI ? The pay-check seems to be very good and you're a detective right on the spot.
 
Natymike said:
98% of Chicago grads are listed as employed within 6 months of graduation. I guess, by your logic, this number should be more like 1%?? I would be willing to bet that the 20 people you know, who can't get an interview, are shooting for the top firms in Chicago, this would make sense, but you clearly said that they "can't find jobs". You are distorting the picture, more likely than not, they can't find jobs that pay well over 100,000 starting out.


There are 40,000 new lawyers each year, you are basically saying that if the top attorneys can not get jobs, then the remaining 39,900 graduates are left unemployed. This line of thinking is ridiculous. You can't take what you see in personal experiences and blanket the entire profession. You need to change the "can't find jobs" to "can't find HIGH PAYING jobs". You found a job right away making 45K. Making 45K starting out is fine by me. (and the cost of living in Texas is average) Expect to pay 700-800 a month for a decent 1 bed room apt.

Good luck with your future endeavors, and if 45K wasn't sufficient, be prepared to live modestly in the 30's as a police officer.
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Hey, I'm saying it is difficult as an attorney now. 45K wasn't enough for the work I was doing... for sheezy!!! If I was doing a regular 40 hour week, and didn't have bullshit, then yes... but for 65 hour week and tons of headaches, it wasn't worth it.

Yes, if I was in the top 10% I wouldn't settle for anything less.

LAPD starts off, with my education, averaging around 48K... check out their website... I'm not going to Dingleberry and be a Barnie Fife... detectives make up near 80K... where did you get this figure... 30's from???

C to the A to the muther fucking K
 
you know, if i were going to apply to the lapd. the first thing i would do would be to plaster my picture all over elite and admit to using A.S. some of you fuckers are soo stupid.
 
Big Buck said:
fuck the LAPD....go to the FBI man.
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Quanico, VA? Moving from Chicago to Cali... then from Cali to Quanico... that seems like alot of moving! :)

FBI does seem like it... I have to wait until the first of the month to apply, however.

C
 
Indra said:
you know, if i were going to apply to the lapd. the first thing i would do would be to plaster my picture all over elite and admit to using A.S. some of you fuckers are soo stupid.
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Well... LOOOPIDY DOOO!!!

First of all... it is well known, that everything posted on this site is for entertainment value only. If you don't know that, then you are either retarded, or a fed without a clue.

Second of all, Cops not on AS??? Ronnie Coleman... what? I said Ronnie Coleman.. .WHAT?! I said Mr Olympia! WHAT?! I said beat out Jay Cutler last year WHAT?! A big black man! WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT!!!

C
 
Quantico is pretty nice....the surrounding town sucks, but Washington D.C. is only like a hour away.
 
CIA-Secret Agent

Pros: Drive exotic sports cars, get all the bitches, talk with a British accent

Cons: Spend all your free time fighting evil villains that their only mission in life is to take over the world and kill you

Something to think about...
 
C-side, do the CHP thing. You get to wear those cool mirrored sunglasses, ride a Harley, wear those tight ass, ghetto booty making breeches, and those tall black stud boots that'll.........


*ahem* Nevermind
 
Citruscide said:


Hey, I'm saying it is difficult as an attorney now. 45K wasn't enough for the work I was doing... for sheezy!!! If I was doing a regular 40 hour week, and didn't have bullshit, then yes... but for 65 hour week and tons of headaches, it wasn't worth it.

Yes, if I was in the top 10% I wouldn't settle for anything less.

LAPD starts off, with my education, averaging around 48K... check out their website... I'm not going to Dingleberry and be a Barnie Fife... detectives make up near 80K... where did you get this figure... 30's from???

C to the A to the muther fucking K
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I got figures from the 30's because Texas cops start out making 33-35K for the first 5 years or so. Having a college degree along with a JD will give you another 1,500 or so a year. Also, becoming a detective is easier said than done since pretty much everyone wants to do it.

Good luck though, with your education you would have an advantage over the rest.
 
By the way, forget the CIA or FBI if you have ever done a cycle, or smoked bud within the past 10 years, or done ANY jail time. They give lie detectors.
 
Natymike said:
By the way, forget the CIA or FBI if you have ever done a cycle, or smoked bud within the past 10 years, or done ANY jail time. They give lie detectors.
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and so ? lie detector isn't so hard to pass.....
 
Natymike said:
There are also books on how to beat the casino, and I have won the past two times I have gambled.
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come on bro you know like me it's not that hard to beat the lie detector. There must be a reason why most juridictions won't even accept it as an evidence.
 
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