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Am I the only whose scared by Tren?

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I dont know much about it, but just reading everyone elses posts regarding tren worries me.

Because it causes such drastic changes in body composition coupled with the fact that we know next to nothing about its long term effects(correct me if Im wrong, but tren is relatively new to the body building community) is enough to make me stay far away from tren.

HI's tale of cancerous growth because of tren doesnt help the situation at all. Am I the only one that feels this way?
 
You can start off low and check your blood values to see how you react.

HI took up to 300mg/day for months. You can't use that case here ...

-sk
 
I love tren. I didn't get any sides from it except a slight increase in aggression. I'm starting my second fina cycle in a few weeks.
 
used it a few times, using right now 150mg ed. no noticable side effects even on my blood work
 
tren is just as dangerous as test

both are dangerous

all roids actually arent healthy..

infact anything that disrupts the natural state of ur body is unhealthy.. now...

u make a decision before doing any of these drugs.

u have to assume the responsiblities/consequences of what happens int he future..

u take precautions like ALA/green tea and other anti oxidants that prevent cancer formation.

but many people here risk alot for a hot body.

But then again, many people here prefer to have quality of life over quantity of life.

meaning they dont mind if they die at age 50 as long as they have super fun years frmo 21 to 50

So u gotta wonder if quality > quantity when it coems to life.
 
sk* said:


Hmm, your lipids came back perfect while on 150mg/day fina? Don't think that's even possible.

-sk
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this is the first time using it at that dose. my other times i used it was 150mg eod. yes my blood work was perfect
 
DaddyX said:
used it a few times, using right now 150mg ed. no noticable side effects even on my blood work
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Hmm, your lipids came back perfect while on 150mg/day fina? Don't think that's even possible.

-sk
 
sk* said:


Hmm, your lipids came back perfect while on 150mg/day fina? Don't think that's even possible.

-sk
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That is hard to believe.
 
My friend ran 300mg Tren ED for 30 Days.. he was healthy and did a blood test, everything was pretty normal.

I ran 300mg Tren ED for 60 days , i was healthy i looked healhy but i didnt do a blood test so i cant tell .

anyhow..
 
superbigzane said:
My friend ran 300mg Tren ED for 30 Days.. he was healthy and did a blood test, everything was pretty normal.

I ran 300mg Tren ED for 60 days , i was healthy i looked healhy but i didnt do a blood test so i cant tell .

anyhow..
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I hate this shit. All your posts are the same crap.

I know you are lying, you know you are lying, shut up already. You are gonna get some poor fucker hurt.

You are gonna get banned, very soon.

-sk
 
superbigzane said:
tren is just as dangerous as test

both are dangerous

all roids actually arent healthy..

infact anything that disrupts the natural state of ur body is unhealthy.. now...

u make a decision before doing any of these drugs.

u have to assume the responsiblities/consequences of what happens int he future..

u take precautions like ALA/green tea and other anti oxidants that prevent cancer formation.

but many people here risk alot for a hot body.

But then again, many people here prefer to have quality of life over quantity of life.

meaning they dont mind if they die at age 50 as long as they have super fun years frmo 21 to 50

So u gotta wonder if quality > quantity when it coems to life.
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Bro, honestly WTF are you talking about? You gave advice without really giving any advice. Funny shit.
 
I considered it time and time again but I'll never use it. Shuts you down hard not to mention how the jury is still out on the liver and kidney damage. Then there's the whole hairloss thing. No thanks.
 
"I hate this shit. All your posts are the same crap.

I know you are lying, you know you are lying, shut up already. You are gonna get some poor fucker hurt.

You are gonna get banned, very soon.

-sk"



i too think 'bigzane' is a little sketchy. i wouldn't put too much stock in him at all...
 
superbigzane said:
tren is just as dangerous as test

both are dangerous

all roids actually arent healthy..

infact anything that disrupts the natural state of ur body is unhealthy.. now...

u make a decision before doing any of these drugs.

u have to assume the responsiblities/consequences of what happens int he future..

u take precautions like ALA/green tea and other anti oxidants that prevent cancer formation.

but many people here risk alot for a hot body.

But then again, many people here prefer to have quality of life over quantity of life.

meaning they dont mind if they die at age 50 as long as they have super fun years frmo 21 to 50

So u gotta wonder if quality > quantity when it coems to life.
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Fucking Moron!
 
superbigzane said:
My friend ran 300mg Tren ED for 30 Days.. he was healthy and did a blood test, everything was pretty normal.

I ran 300mg Tren ED for 60 days , i was healthy i looked healhy but i didnt do a blood test so i cant tell .

anyhow..
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Another genious post! Bro, you're batting a 1000 today..:rolleyes:
 
superbigzane said:
huh u fucking morons. its the fact and truth.

those who do drugs dont take responsbility for their actions.
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superbigzane=bonehead.
 
superbigzane said:
huh u fucking morons. its the fact and truth.

those who do drugs dont take responsbility for their actions.
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Will you please just shut the fuck up! You're ruining an otherwise good thread. :mad:
 
Originally posted by superbigzane
My friend ran 300mg Tren ED for 30 Days.. he was healthy and did a blood test, everything was pretty normal.

I ran 300mg Tren ED for 60 days , i was healthy i looked healhy but i didnt do a blood test so i cant tell .

anyhow..
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I've never laughed so hard. Wow. I second Juice Authority on the last post.
 
lostlazy said:
Originally posted by superbigzane
My friend ran 300mg Tren ED for 30 Days.. he was healthy and did a blood test, everything was pretty normal.

I ran 300mg Tren ED for 60 days , i was healthy i looked healhy but i didnt do a blood test so i cant tell .

anyhow..
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I've never laughed so hard. Wow. I second Juice Authority on the last post.
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Agreed... also... quit callin' everyone Playa... it's REALLY geigh... ;)
 
superbigzane said:
My friend ran 300mg Tren ED for 30 Days.. he was healthy and did a blood test, everything was pretty normal.

I ran 300mg Tren ED for 60 days , i was healthy i looked healhy but i didnt do a blood test so i cant tell .

anyhow..
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2 grams of tren per week for 60 days and your healthy??

Yah... ummm.. okay
 
AtLarge said:


lol, nope=dope

progesterone gyno is real. Where have you been? nobromo=nono=gyno if your progesterone gyno prone.
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You got a point there and there is also no anti-e you can take to prevent progesterone gyno. Fina/Tren does cause progesterone gyno.
 
Tren freaks me out a little, too. Sometimes it sounds so tempting but I haven't caved just yet. Still sticking to test/eq or test/deca only cycles. Can't say that I've completely ruled it out, though.
 
I always wanted to try it, but nobody in my circle even knows much about it. I get progesterone sides from deca and thats one of the things that makes me a bit nervous. also I have a hard time making jello, do you have to play bath tub chemist to use it?
I thought I saw QV tren anyone ever try it?
 
AtLarge said:


lol, nope=dope

progesterone gyno is real. Where have you been? nobromo=nono=gyno if your progesterone gyno prone.
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Yeah in like 1% of the users. This is easily circumvented and prevented with Winny. Test causes WAY more gyno. I have a feeling that deca may actually induce it moe often then tren.

All in all tren when not abused does look like a very good choice. Very little to no toxicy, most users get very few sides and there is NO kidney stress. Now abused it has POTENTIAL but that is also prevented with ancinilaries, ask fonz.

o
 
For those of you interested, this is a very infromative abstract re tren. Note the reference to progesterone. BTW, tren has been around for years.

jb

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Environ Qual Saf Suppl. 1976;(5):253-64. Related Articles, Links


Pharmacological and endocrinological studies on anabolic agents.

Neumann F.

When used in connection with animal production the term "anabolic agents" covers a wide range. Ther steroidal male and female sex hormones are included in this list, as are the nonsteroidal estrogens. For the clinician and for the endocrinologist, anabolics are only steroids chemically related to testosterone and 19-nortestosterone. Estrogens, though possessing anabolic properties, too, do not belong to this class. This paper will deal with anabolic agents in in the stricter sense of which mainly trenbolone acetate combined with hexestrol has been recommended for bull and heifer fattening. To consider possible consumer injury from ingestion of meat from anabolic agent treated animals, it is necessary to know the pharmacological properties of the agents, the doses producing certain effects or might produce, and the levels of residues in the meat. Trenbolone acetate will be compared with the following anabolic agents: methenolone acetate, methandrostenolone, nandrone, androstanazole, and 19-nortestosterone. The activity spectrum of trenbolone acetate is similar to that of 19-nortestosterone or those anabolics that are derived from 19-nortestosterone. The compound has about three times stronger androgenic effect than testosterone propionate. Its index of dissociation between anabolic/androgenic activity is 2--3. This index is 3--10 for the other anabolic agents. As regards the virilizing potency, trenbolone acetate is also on the top of the list. It seems that androgenicity and degree of virilization run paralle. The antigonadotropic activity (inhibition of ovulation and testicular growth) of trenbolone acetate exceeds that of testosterone propionate by the factor 3. The compound is not estrogenic and seemingly not or only weakly progestationally active. In principle, the androgenic activity (symptoms of virilization) as well as the antigonadotropic effect (disturbances of the menstrual cycle in women, inhibition of spermiogenesis in men) of trenbolone acetate might be noted. This risk, however, can be excluded by mere calculation. In rats, 0.1 mg/kg trenbolone acetate have an antigonadotropic effect. This corresponds to a daily dose of 5--7 mg in humans. By the same extrapolation, a daily human dose of 100 mg can be calculated for androgenic activity. Such factors of conversion are, of course, not precise because rats are much less sensitive to androgens and anabolics than humans. Thus, testosterone propionate is active only in daily doses of 10--20 mg. If in humans trenbolone acetate also has three times the activity of testosterone propionate, effects in man had to be counted with not less than a daily intake of 3--5 mg trenbolone acetate. The dose which is recommended for livestock fattening is 300 mg. IT can, therefore, be excluded almost with certainty that the meat would contain such large amounts of hormone residues
 
gwl9dta4 said:


Yeah in like 1% of the users. This is easily circumvented and prevented with Winny. Test causes WAY more gyno. I have a feeling that deca may actually induce it moe often then tren.

All in all tren when not abused does look like a very good choice. Very little to no toxicy, most users get very few sides and there is NO kidney stress. Now abused it has POTENTIAL but that is also prevented with ancinilaries, ask fonz.

o
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This is the problem. Some internet guru says it's fine, so it's fine. Somebody felt okay after using it. So it's okay. Can't tell if it caused any damage? Everythig must be allright.

This is NOT a case of fearing the unknown. It's a case of having a rational fear based on some very well known facts.

Fina is not intended for human consumption. It has never been tested in humans.

The very fact that it creates weird side effect should tell you something is not right. Flu-like symptoms. Night sweats. Rashes. Insomnia. Increased blood pressure. Kidney damage. Irritability. WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED?!?!?!

Steroids should make you feel good, not sick.

I also believe a lot of the magically "fat burning" is really the dehydration it causes.

Not to mention...

THE STUFF KILLS YOUR DICK!!!




Frankly I'm appauled how cavalier people are about this. What good is muscle if you can't fuck? Jeez, how can anyone be so vain that they'd trade their manhood for some temporary ego gratification. WHERE ARE THE MEN? Bodybuilding is a manly pursuit...or so I thought. I want to be strong, healthy and virile. I get the feeling some of you would castrate yourselves to get another inch on your bicep.

One of the benefits of juicing is the boost in libido. (sus--yea!) But, hey, you'd rather inject cow medicie that's been sterilized in your kitchen sink, be my guest. And while you're all impressed with how much weight you're lifting, I'll be tapping some juicy tang and loving life.

Who's the dope?
 
Nelson Montana said:

This is the problem. Some internet guru says it's fine, so it's fine. Somebody felt okay after using it. So it's okay. Can't tell if it caused any damage? Everythig must be allright.

This is NOT a case of fearing the unknown. It's a case of having a rational fear based on some very well known facts.

Fina is not intended for human consumption. It has never been tested in humans.

The very fact that it creates weird side effect should tell you something is not right. Flu-like symptoms. Night sweats. Rashes. Insomnia. Increased blood pressure. Kidney damage. Irritability. WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED?!?!?!

Steroids should make you feel good, not sick.

I also believe a lot of the magically "fat burning" is really the dehydration it causes.

Not to mention...

THE STUFF KILLS YOUR DICK!!!




Frankly I'm appauled how cavalier people are about this. What good is muscle if you can't fuck? Jeez, how can anyone be so vain that they'd trade their manhood for some temporary ego gratification. WHERE ARE THE MEN? Bodybuilding is a manly pursuit...or so I thought. I want to be strong, healthy and virile. I get the feeling some of you would castrate yourselves to get another inch on your bicep.

One of the benefits of juicing is the boost in libido. (sus--yea!) But, hey, you'd rather inject cow medicie that's been sterilized in your kitchen sink, be my guest. And while you're all impressed with how much weight you're lifting, I'll be tapping some juicy tang and loving life.

Who's the dope?
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Classic response Nelson! Even though I'm not anti-Fina you make a strong case against it.
 
superbigzane said:
My friend ran 300mg Tren ED for 30 Days.. he was healthy and did a blood test, everything was pretty normal.

I ran 300mg Tren ED for 60 days , i was healthy i looked healhy but i didnt do a blood test so i cant tell .

anyhow..
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Sure you did.....don't post this crap on the boards, hoss. Some newbie might actually take you seriously.
 
Well, I respect Nelson and all of the other opions on the subject, but I just completed a 9 week cycle of tren/prop and I had no "noticable" sides. I did not do pre and during and post bloodwork (ok - sue me). For my next cycle I will do pre-mid-post cycle bloodwork and report back to everyone. I did NOT get:

1. Sleepless (hell I slept like a BABY)
2. Agression (none at all - not even a LITTLE road rage)
3. Trouble Breathing
4. Hairloss (none at all and I'm in my mid-30's)
5. Rashes (never heard of that one before - none here though)
6. Sweats at night (did sweat a lot during the day, but I've been taking T-rex too :) ).

I did notice that when I went ED with my doses (for the last week ONLY) I could "taste" the tren in the back of my mouth after injecting. I'm not sure what that is all about - but that is the only wackey thing that happened (besides hitting a vein twice - DOH!).

My cycle was 75Mg Tren EOD/ 100 Mg Prop EOD for weeks 1-8 and 75MG Tren ED/ 100 MG prop ED week 9. I have no idea what the long term effects are - but Tren has been around for YEARS (think Parabolin folks). Back in the 80's it seemed (From what I can remember) that Para was gear of the gods - LOTS of people were on it. I'm not sure how the Para stacks up against the newer Tren Acitate (I know we have to inject more - but I'm not sure what additional/fewer sides will come up long term). Why are you so against Tren Nelson? I mean it HAS been around for at least 30 years or more in para form, right?
 
Some of Nelsons comments show ignorance, dare i say. Fina has been studied for human use for decades, namely by a pharmaceutical company called Negma, ring a bell yet? Ok then look up Trenbolone as it's the active compund in Parabolan. So as far as i m concerned Trenbolone is trenbolone, you pick the ester. That' all that fina is, tenbolone actate and methycellulose sp, whch is basically paper used to give the implant it's structure. They are formed under high pressure with no glue or binders. Just trenbolone.

And just for the record tren use has been followed by fonz and myself as well. One board member (friend) finished a cycle and had a comlete blood profile done on him by his doctor post cycle. EVERYTHING was perfect his liver an kidney values were 100% ok, blood pressure, even cholesterol was more then perfect, a total of only 160. So in light of the evidence at hand with bloodwork to back it up, why do you insist on saying someone takes a cavalier attitude and that fina is so bad? Please explain with some science and not your story writing paragraphs.
 
newpump said:
Well, I respect Nelson and all of the other opions on the subject, but I just completed a 9 week cycle of tren/prop and I had no "noticable" sides. I did not do pre and during and post bloodwork (ok - sue me). For my next cycle I will do pre-mid-post cycle bloodwork and report back to everyone. I did NOT get:

1. Sleepless (hell I slept like a BABY)
2. Agression (none at all - not even a LITTLE road rage)
3. Trouble Breathing
4. Hairloss (none at all and I'm in my mid-30's)
5. Rashes (never heard of that one before - none here though)
6. Sweats at night (did sweat a lot during the day, but I've been taking T-rex too :) ).

I did notice that when I went ED with my doses (for the last week ONLY) I could "taste" the tren in the back of my mouth after injecting. I'm not sure what that is all about - but that is the only wackey thing that happened (besides hitting a vein twice - DOH!).

My cycle was 75Mg Tren EOD/ 100 Mg Prop EOD for weeks 1-8 and 75MG Tren ED/ 100 MG prop ED week 9. I have no idea what the long term effects are - but Tren has been around for YEARS (think Parabolin folks). Back in the 80's it seemed (From what I can remember) that Para was gear of the gods - LOTS of people were on it. I'm not sure how the Para stacks up against the newer Tren Acitate (I know we have to inject more - but I'm not sure what additional/fewer sides will come up long term). Why are you so against Tren Nelson? I mean it HAS been around for at least 30 years or more in para form, right?
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Right, and this is what most users report at the dosages you described/used. Same goes for my friend, very similar cycle except he used a longer acting ester for the test, but the tren was the same. His blood profiles were perfect.
 
OH - I almost forgot, my GF told me that I needed to LOWER the test dose, I wanted to nail her too often (3~5 times daily - no joke). I'm not sure if this was the prop hitting me, but WHOA I felt like a teenager again, a stiff WIND would give me wood.

I will come clean about one side that I got - acne (just a little). That also reminded me of my teen years :( - the NEGATIVE side of my teen years. I think the acne is a common problem with test usage though, correct?

Sorry I didn't post this in my original message, it wasn't top of mind as I was posting. Also, during cycle I DID run the following sups:

1. r-ala (anywhere from 200 to 500 MG post meal - depending on how many carbs I was eating)
2. Protine shakes - 2 per day
3. Men's Mega vitaman from GNC (no flames please - I bought it a while ago and still have to kill the bottle :) )
4. T-Rex
4. A Saw Palmetto (320 Mg day), Vit B-6 (10 mg day), Zinc (30 Mg day), Pumpkin seed oil extract (80 Mg day), Pygeum Africanum Extract (20 Mg day) and FINALLY BearBerry Extract (10mg day) Combo for the prostate
5 LOTS OF WATER

that is all I can think of that is relevant for now. Hope this helps?!?
 
Nelson Montana said:

This is the problem. Some internet guru says it's fine, so it's fine. Somebody felt okay after using it. So it's okay. Can't tell if it caused any damage? Everythig must be allright.

Bllod work says otherwise my friend. You can play deaf to this fact but it still is a fact. Bllod work says it's all good.

This is NOT a case of fearing the unknown. It's a case of having a rational fear based on some very well known facts.

Fina is not intended for human consumption. It has never been tested in humans.

Yes it is, parabolan was trenbolone. Trenbolone is Fina.

The very fact that it creates weird side effect should tell you something is not right. Flu-like symptoms. Night sweats. Rashes. Insomnia. Increased blood pressure. Kidney damage. Irritability. WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED?!?!?!

Steroids should make you feel good, not sick.

Well Deca, test and your beloved primo will cause those as well. The sweats are caused by hormone spikes, incedentally test gave those symptoms to som guys i know, it also gave some rashes. Sorry no kidney damage, this is just your unfactual stoy, irritability can be caused by just about ALL seroids in suffucuent doses, so what?

I also believe a lot of the magically "fat burning" is really the dehydration it causes.

Not to mention...

THE STUFF KILLS YOUR DICK!!!

No really open your mind and read some more, LOL! Itdoes aid in fat burning ad it des not do it trough magic, as you put it. Also it killing your dick happens only i some users, but incedentally deca and winny did that to me as well, guess those are garbage as well.


Frankly I'm appauled how cavalier people are about this. What good is muscle if you can't fuck? Jeez, how can anyone be so vain that they'd trade their manhood for some temporary ego gratification. WHERE ARE THE MEN? Bodybuilding is a manly pursuit...or so I thought. I want to be strong, healthy and virile. I get the feeling some of you would castrate yourselves to get another inch on your bicep.

One of the benefits of juicing is the boost in libido. (sus--yea!) But, hey, you'd rather inject cow medicie that's been sterilized in your kitchen sink, be my guest. And while you're all impressed with how much weight you're lifting, I'll be tapping some juicy tang and loving life.

Who's the dope?
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That is some dumb shit your just said. You assume everyone abuses anabolics. Some are well read and experienced and use them in a safe manner. Same goes or tren, it a relatively safe compound when not abused, which can be said for most anabolics.
 
I'm scared of tren, I'll admit. I've used test and dbol, deca a little, bread and butter to me, but tren seems a little different somehow. If parabolan proper were still around I know I'd feel differently, though it's a little irrational. I like the discussion on this thread so far. I've been curious about tren for a few months now, and this stuff is interesting posted here. Anyone got more on tren and the kidneys in humans? How would tren/test be different than test alone to me?
 
AtLarge said:


lol, nope=dope

progesterone gyno is real. Where have you been? nobromo=nono=gyno if your progesterone gyno prone.
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the nope was that i dont get it dumbass. where have i been ? i am very aware of progesterone induced gyno and tren and deca which can cause it does not give me it. like someone stated it is not common for users to get gyno symptoms from tren and it can be prevented fairly easy. no bromo here for me buddy and im doing great :D
 
stonecold54 said:
tell that to my nipple :finger:
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no thanks, i dont feel like talking to a nipple but i will say sorry you are one of the unlucky ones, maybe u should have used some bromo. well do more research in the future and good luck
 
My liver and kidney values were absolutely normal after eight weeks of 75mg/day and four weeks of 150mg/day. Tren is great while on, but for me, keeping the results proved impossible. Granted, I do not utilize the standard array of post cycle ancillaries, and that may well be a factor here.

In terms of animal vs. human thinking...humans are animals. The molecules do not differentiate.

Not to mention trenbelone, as mentioned, has been manufactured and utilized for human consumption.

The parent molecule for deca and tren is the same. Where is the logic supporting increased sides from tren from a toxicity standpoint?

I have yet to find any evidence supporting the notion that it is the trenbelone causing kidney stress. My guess is that it is an abundance of oxidized methylcellulose that is the culprit.

I have to agree that tren does tend to castrate after a while. Certainly something to consider when picking your route.

As for aggression, there is a little, but interestingly I have found that ox makes me more irritable than anything else I have tried, with the exception of halo.

I guess I have to point out that for a guy who has tried so many drugs, I do not have the corresponding muscle mass/base to offer good advice in that context.

Of course, I take months off at a time and stay under 8% year round, so take that into consideration as well.

For me, in the end, tren is a pretty good choice, but not better than ox/test.
 
I agree with newpump on this one. I have done more than one cycle with tren and experienced none of the bad side effects, with the exception on some insomnia in the first few weeks. The only thing I advise when doing tren is to take test with it, cause tren alone will shut you down libido-wise.
 
The reality is some people would shove popcorn in their nose if they thought they would gain an inch in 30 days. What we lack in effort and patients, we make up for with injections and nonsense. Just my opinion.
 
Fukkenshredded said:
My liver and kidney values were absolutely normal after eight weeks of 75mg/day and four weeks of 150mg/day. Tren is great while on, but for me, keeping the results proved impossible. Granted, I do not utilize the standard array of post cycle ancillaries, and that may well be a factor here.

In terms of animal vs. human thinking...humans are animals. The molecules do not differentiate.

Not to mention trenbelone, as mentioned, has been manufactured and utilized for human consumption.

The parent molecule for deca and tren is the same. Where is the logic supporting increased sides from tren from a toxicity standpoint?

I have yet to find any evidence supporting the notion that it is the trenbelone causing kidney stress. My guess is that it is an abundance of oxidized methylcellulose that is the culprit.

I have to agree that tren does tend to castrate after a while. Certainly something to consider when picking your route.

As for aggression, there is a little, but interestingly I have found that ox makes me more irritable than anything else I have tried, with the exception of halo.

I guess I have to point out that for a guy who has tried so many drugs, I do not have the corresponding muscle mass/base to offer good advice in that context.

Of course, I take months off at a time and stay under 8% year round, so take that into consideration as well.

For me, in the end, tren is a pretty good choice, but not better than ox/test.
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Hey bro, is that the same cycle Fonz has been talking about (Test/Var)? What dosages are you running of each and for how long?
 
matto18 said:
"I hate this shit. All your posts are the same crap.

I know you are lying, you know you are lying, shut up already. You are gonna get some poor fucker hurt.

You are gonna get banned, very soon.

-sk"



i too think 'bigzane' is a little sketchy. i wouldn't put too much stock in him at all...
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he's gonna get a mega negative karma blast when i recharge.
annoying as hell too
 
Frankly I'm appauled how cavalier people are about this. What good is muscle if you can't fuck? Jeez, how can anyone be so vain that they'd trade their manhood for some temporary ego gratification. WHERE ARE THE MEN? Bodybuilding is a manly pursuit...or so I thought. I want to be strong, healthy and virile. I get the feeling some of you would castrate yourselves to get another inch on your bicep.
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I would do it even if it didn't give me squat all, but if I do gain mass, then that's a bonus....
 
Nelson Montana said:









Frankly I'm appauled how cavalier people are about this. What good is muscle if you can't fuck? Jeez, how can anyone be so vain that they'd trade their manhood for some temporary ego gratification. WHERE ARE THE MEN? Bodybuilding is a manly pursuit...or so I thought. I want to be strong, healthy and virile. I get the feeling some of you would castrate yourselves to get another inch on your bicep.

One of the benefits of juicing is the boost in libido. (sus--yea!) But, hey, you'd rather inject cow medicie that's been sterilized in your kitchen sink, be my guest. And while you're all impressed with how much weight you're lifting, I'll be tapping some juicy tang and loving life.

Who's the dope?
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the thing is, some dont get dick problems when using tren, like myself. i tag my girlfriend all the time while on tren. my libido feels the same off or on tren. dont make the assumption everyone gets fina dick cause it's just not true. im guessing you have never used it so why do you have anything to even say about it. you cant say something sucks if you havent tried it
 
Nelson Montana said:

This is the problem. Some internet guru says it's fine, so it's fine. Somebody felt okay after using it. So it's okay. Can't tell if it caused any damage? Everythig must be allright.

This is NOT a case of fearing the unknown. It's a case of having a rational fear based on some very well known facts.

Fina is not intended for human consumption. It has never been tested in humans.

The very fact that it creates weird side effect should tell you something is not right. Flu-like symptoms. Night sweats. Rashes. Insomnia. Increased blood pressure. Kidney damage. Irritability. WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED?!?!?!

Steroids should make you feel good, not sick.

I also believe a lot of the magically "fat burning" is really the dehydration it causes.

Not to mention...

THE STUFF KILLS YOUR DICK!!!




Frankly I'm appauled how cavalier people are about this. What good is muscle if you can't fuck? Jeez, how can anyone be so vain that they'd trade their manhood for some temporary ego gratification. WHERE ARE THE MEN? Bodybuilding is a manly pursuit...or so I thought. I want to be strong, healthy and virile. I get the feeling some of you would castrate yourselves to get another inch on your bicep.

One of the benefits of juicing is the boost in libido. (sus--yea!) But, hey, you'd rather inject cow medicie that's been sterilized in your kitchen sink, be my guest. And while you're all impressed with how much weight you're lifting, I'll be tapping some juicy tang and loving life.

Who's the dope?
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Truer words have never been spoken.My sentiments exactly Nelson!

That goes for any aas that effects my sexual fuctioning. If I experience dimunition in libido or erectile capacities from any drug;once I locate the culprit It's F***N history.
As I'm older now and my 250lb+ days are long gone.I have nothing to prove. I choose to stay lean with my sexual prowess intact. If a drug like tren can get me ripped beyond my imagination with correct diet and supps. but will destroy my erection even once, then I'll find another agent that may not be as effective but you best believe it wont effect my potency!

Even test at higher doses will always be accompanied by proviron and intermitent shots of HCG.


Trenbolone:destroy: :horny: :licker:
 
Although some people don't get fina dick and don't get shut down hard, plenty do. That's enough for me to stay away from it. I don't want to be one of those who gets shutdown extremely hard. There are plenty of other steroids out there that work great for me and I know don't shut me down hard.

And if I lose hair like crazy on test, I'll be I'd lose it like crazy on tren, as though I needed another reason to avoid it.

This is just me though, if it works fine for you, knock yourself out.
 
The shut down issue is like this partly because of the short ester. So you take your last shot and 2 days later you're running on fumes. Quit prop or suspension suddenly and you'll be shut down hard as well.

I think it may be a good idea to keep tren doses low and come off with some test for a week or 2.
 
pussies....

PS - no offense

BTW - Mr Montana, winny and eq arent made for humans but I dont hear you bashing them?

Oh and one other thing - Deca shuts your dick down also but yet again........no one is harping on that in this post.

Fina is king... please bow before the nectar of the gods.
 
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i must say i have never been a fan of Nelson's posts(his attitude mostly), but he just talked me out of converting some fina. that is not to say i wouldn't try some trenbolone i didn't have to extract from a pellet thats implanted in a 2,000 lb bull. also you guys need to be more specific when talking about you tren experinces and the side effects you had, what kind was it?!! i think most problems come from fina, your probably not gonna get that laundry list of sides from a quality tren preparation.
 
I am not anti-tren if others want to take it, put personally I will NEVER take tren. Even if it was given to me free. I would never recommend it to someone either.

I guess that I can admitt that I am a little bit scared of it. The reason that it is so popular is because I think that it is the most potent aas known to man, and is the probably the best compound ever to give you the body of a god.

Despite the nasty sides involved, Trenbolone is probably still the most potent muscle-building agent of all the non-estrogenic steroids though, and admittedly is quite unusual in its potency in this regard. Even though it is derived from nandrolone, trenbolone is comparatively far more androgenic than this steroid. In fact it is several times stronger in this regard than our primary androgen testosterone as well.

This is why it appeals to so many people. Its weird because on this post you dont see anyone posting the negative sides that get posted all the time on other threads. I also admit that it intrigues me because of the potency it has to offer, but as health is my number 1 concern, more so than building the body of a god, I will always choose other options. The fina dick is a bad side, but the biggest thing in my opinion is that no steroid will shut you down harder that fina, and no steroid is harder to recover from either. My very best friend insisted on using some Finaplex Gold that he bought. He used it with a bit of test and some dbol to kickstart. I have never in my life seen a body comp change like that, and as fast as that either, but the poor guy was shut down for months afterwards, and still feels like he has never really fully recovered. When I ask him if it was worth it now, he says that it was great having the body comp change that it did for him, but it wasnt worth it for the crash.

You just have to realize that some people will get away with no sides while others will have the worst ever. If I were going to ever take it (which i never will), it would be run at the minimal effective dosage, and I would have quite the postcycle regimin ready for it. HCG, Clomid, Nolva, all the fuckin herbs you could think of and a nice supply of viagra. Wouldnt want to take any chance like my buddy did.
 
Also ... chances are if you get sides from other aas, and have a hard time recovering from them, then Fina is definately not for you.
 
Mavy said:
I am not anti-tren if others want to take it, put personally I will NEVER take tren. Even if it was given to me free. I would never recommend it to someone either.

I guess that I can admitt that I am a little bit scared of it. The reason that it is so popular is because I think that it is the most potent aas known to man, and is the probably the best compound ever to give you the body of a god.

Despite the nasty sides involved, Trenbolone is probably still the most potent muscle-building agent of all the non-estrogenic steroids though, and admittedly is quite unusual in its potency in this regard. Even though it is derived from nandrolone, trenbolone is comparatively far more androgenic than this steroid. In fact it is several times stronger in this regard than our primary androgen testosterone as well.

This is why it appeals to so many people. Its weird because on this post you dont see anyone posting the negative sides that get posted all the time on other threads. I also admit that it intrigues me because of the potency it has to offer, but as health is my number 1 concern, more so than building the body of a god, I will always choose other options. The fina dick is a bad side, but the biggest thing in my opinion is that no steroid will shut you down harder that fina, and no steroid is harder to recover from either. My very best friend insisted on using some Finaplex Gold that he bought. He used it with a bit of test and some dbol to kickstart. I have never in my life seen a body comp change like that, and as fast as that either, but the poor guy was shut down for months afterwards, and still feels like he has never really fully recovered. When I ask him if it was worth it now, he says that it was great having the body comp change that it did for him, but it wasnt worth it for the crash.

You just have to realize that some people will get away with no sides while others will have the worst ever. If I were going to ever take it (which i never will), it would be run at the minimal effective dosage, and I would have quite the postcycle regimin ready for it. HCG, Clomid, Nolva, all the fuckin herbs you could think of and a nice supply of viagra. Wouldnt want to take any chance like my buddy did.
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to quote daddyX:

how can you slam something you have never used.

give me an H!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

give me a Y!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HYPOCRIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

basing a philosphy on one persons experience is.....well.....silly....
 
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evil1blake said:
i must say i have never been a fan of Nelson's posts(his attitude mostly), but he just talked me out of converting some fina. that is not to say i wouldn't try some trenbolone i didn't have to extract from a pellet thats implanted in a 2,000 lb bull. also you guys need to be more specific when talking about you tren experinces and the side effects you had, what kind was it?!! i think most problems come from fina, your probably not gonna get that laundry list of sides from a quality tren preparation.
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Mr. M just talked you out of the greatest roid going. Perhaps because it isnt going to help sell his book?

Either way I used fina for the first time in 1997. Fina is god!
 
lincoln said:


to quote daddyX:

how can you slam something you have never used.

give me an H!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

give me a Y!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HYPOCRIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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lincoln: I said that I am not anti-tren to others who want to use it, but I personally will never use it based on others experiences. Sure there are people that had next to none but for the others that did, I dont want to find out if I am one of them. Its just not worth it in my opion. If you want to take than feel free. So fuck you and your hypocrite bullshit. I am making my own decision based on what others have experienced.

I dont have to eat shit to know it tastes bad.

Mavy
 
Mavy said:


lincoln: I said that I am not anti-tren to others who want to use it, but I personally will never use it based on others experiences. Sure there are people that had next to none but for the others that did, I dont want to find out if I am one of them. Its just not worth it in my opion. If you want to take than feel free. So fuck you and your hypocrite bullshit. I am making my own decision based on what others have experienced.

I dont have to eat shit to know it tastes bad.

Mavy
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good point...........................

...but.....

you could have a bad reaction to any drug yet you try them without knowing.

this post is knucking futz
 
I respect Nelson and I think he brings new and alternative ways of thinking to the table. That sort of thinking is what makes breakthoughs possible. Even though I do not agree with his current point of view on tren - KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK NELSON! If everyone thought in the "norm" we'd still be making fire with rocks :).

I just added this in case you get too down on all the negative responses from our posts :).
 
Both Tren and Deca are derrived from the 19-nortestosterone molecule.

That kills of any argument that Tren is bad for you if you're in favour of using Deca.

End of story.

Fonz
 
I agree with Fonz.

I was gonna bring up the same point. All these people seem to be anti-Tren. Well what about Deca? It's another nondralone derivative and while it does get some bad press, Fina seems to get 1000x more. I haven't used Fina - YET, but I have used Deca twice and no worries.
 
lincoln said:


to quote daddyX:

how can you slam something you have never used.

give me an H!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

give me a Y!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HYPOCRIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

basing a philosphy on one persons experience is.....well.....silly....
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Have you ever used heroin? I hear it's great, so why not?

bigonrising: I love posts like yours. You condemn without offering any reasoning to support your point. Your beliefs are based on on nothing more than predudice and ignorance. I can't think of a better endorsement for my concepts.

Fonz: Deca sucks too. Unless that was mentioned, that made tren okay?

And for the record, the original Parabolin is what was proven to be so kidney toxic. Users who were on for extended periods would notice their urine turning brown. But don't let that stop you.
 
majutsu said:
I'm scared of tren, I'll admit. I've used test and dbol, deca a little, bread and butter to me, but tren seems a little different somehow. If parabolan proper were still around I know I'd feel differently, though it's a little irrational.
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yes it is. Trenbolone was marketed in France from 1971 to 1997 as TRENBOLONE HEXAHYDROBENZYLCARBONATE ; its the same stuff as in fina, just with a longer lasting ester. It was not withdrawn because of sides but there was no longer a market for it, the same reason Ciby pulled Dianabol, not because it was toxic but only athletes were using it and muscle growth is of no therapeutic value, at least not in the pre-AIDS era.

what could be dangerous are the pellet ingredients, L. Rea has something to say about this here: http://www.elitefitness.com/articledata/efn/032403.html

you should be ok if you make your injectible tren out of powder.
 
THE STUFF KILLS YOUR DICK!!!

Come on bro, thats silly. My girlfriend just looked over my shoulder and just started laughing and asked if this guy knew what the hell he was talking about.
 
Nelson, could you please post the literature supporting kidney specific toxicity?

Anecdotal references are sketchy at best, but I will even accept that, provided that trenbelone was the only compound in use during the period of time that kidney problems occurred.

Home brew tren, as mentioned, can conceivably be problematic as a result of oxidized methylcellulose winding up in the final brew.

Those who notice those red streaks...that's what I'm talking about.
 
That was a great link on the BA, etc. Who does homebrew fina at what dosages? It would seem now that people need to mention whether it's homebrew or not when they say "I had no problems."
 
If you are afraid don't do it. Hell some people are afraid to leave their own house because of what is outside. Just think of all they are missing. Now stop and think of all you are missing not doing tren. Tren is the shit. Cheap, effective, and doesn't cause bitch tits. Sounds scary huh Doing steroids is a dangerous game and places a strain on your health no matter what. What we have done is weighed out the good vs the bad and have decided to get big and deal with the minor heatth affects. If you havs already done gear before you have already made up your mind now go hit the tren.

You'll thank me
 
nuclear1 said:
If you are afraid don't do it. Hell some people are afraid to leave their own house because of what is outside. Just think of all they are missing. Now stop and think of all you are missing not doing tren. Tren is the shit. Cheap, effective, and doesn't cause bitch tits. Sounds scary huh Doing steroids is a dangerous game and places a strain on your health no matter what. What we have done is weighed out the good vs the bad and have decided to get big and deal with the minor heatth affects. If you havs already done gear before you have already made up your mind now go hit the tren.

You'll thank me
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Now how can one argue with logic like that?? :rolleyes:
 
Juice Authority said:


Now how can one argue with logic like that?? :rolleyes:
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Hahaha, I see where you guys are coming from. I just think that other choices of gear do the job just fine. Maybe they are not as potent but it gives me piece of mind not having to worry. I use gear for the sole purpose to compliment my training. Not to do the majority of it. Sounds like tren is the easy way out!
 
Fukkenshredded said:
Nelson, could you please post the literature supporting kidney specific toxicity?
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I like Nelson nowadays but what you're asking of Nelson will never happen.
 
I'm running it now at 150mg EOD:

1- IF YOU'VE NEVER TRIED IT - be careful how you express your opinion of it, cause, your just paraphrasing what you've heard from others - I'm guessing you didn't do extensive research on it

2- THE ONLY SIDE EFFECT I"VE EVER HAD IS NIGHT SWEATS - not so bad when the fat is falling off of you

3- MY LIBIDO IS HUGE - I wish it would decline some

4- I FEEL GOOD

5- THIS DRUGS ABILITY TO ASSIST IN SHEDDING BODYFAT IS AWESOME - Like no other that I've used...

CONCLUSION: At proper dosages, I don't consider this drug much different than any of the others we use. Main difference to me is the assistance in fat loss and promotion of the hard look. Other than that, I get no funky side effects, I don't gain weight on it, in fact, I lose weight, I don't gain a lot of strength, etc. I DESCRIBE THIS DRUG AS A TURBO CHARGED PRIMOBOLIN.

I don't know why this drug has such a CULT STATUS. I guess its cause it feels sneeky to order the kits and make it yourself.

So - Don't knock it till you've tried it bros....
 
Stillgoing said:
I'm running it now at 150mg EOD:

1- IF YOU'VE NEVER TRIED IT - be careful how you express your opinion of it, cause, your just paraphrasing what you've heard from others - I'm guessing you didn't do extensive research on it

2- THE ONLY SIDE EFFECT I"VE EVER HAD IS NIGHT SWEATS - not so bad when the fat is falling off of you

3- MY LIBIDO IS HUGE - I wish it would decline some

4- I FEEL GOOD

5- THIS DRUGS ABILITY TO ASSIST IN SHEDDING BODYFAT IS AWESOME - Like no other that I've used...

CONCLUSION: At proper dosages, I don't consider this drug much different than any of the others we use. Main difference to me is the assistance in fat loss and promotion of the hard look. Other than that, I get no funky side effects, I don't gain weight on it, in fact, I lose weight, I don't gain a lot of strength, etc. I DESCRIBE THIS DRUG AS A TURBO CHARGED PRIMOBOLIN.

I don't know why this drug has such a CULT STATUS. I guess its cause it feels sneeky to order the kits and make it yourself.

So - Don't knock it till you've tried it bros....
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some mouth watering points

i've been debating on whether to try tren or not.

this thread has me going back and forth on it
 
wow good reads here thanx guys.......ok since it isnt meant for humans,

Nelson do you feel the same about EQ???? thanx
 
you know if your getting results from something with less sides, i would just stick with that. I personally am like you and would not use tren, but i dont use dbal either. i might be too paranoid, but i say stick to weaker drugs with less sides if you can.
 
Also, deca and tren are from the same parent chemical...right? Deca stays detectable in the body for up to 18 months. Anyone know how long tren stays detectable in the body?
 
Tren is the best compound out there bar none. I think a lot of the sides can be reduced by scaling back the dosages. I have had none of exaggerated tren sides when I shoot 80mg eod rather than ed. I have done ed shots and the side effects greatly increase when doing tren every day.

You really don't need very much to get great results. I read about guys using 200mg a day and I shake my head. I think this is the fountain from which all the horror stories about tren flow.

As for Nelson and his stance on tren and eq... :rolleyes:
 
There are so many aas drugs out there why risk hurting yourself for one aas when you can always substitute it with another.

Looking for strength go with Test.
Cutting up winny, primo, var.
Vascularity go with EQ or any of the above.

I know all these can hurt you but at the right dosages and proper cycle time you can achieve your goals without risking your health.

just my 2 cents.
 
superbigzane said:
My friend ran 300mg Tren ED for 30 Days.. he was healthy and did a blood test, everything was pretty normal.

I ran 300mg Tren ED for 60 days , i was healthy i looked healhy but i didnt do a blood test so i cant tell .

anyhow..
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Either you're full of shit, or you ran bunk gear.

Either way, shut the fuck up before someone listens to your bullshit stories and dies.

Fucking idiot.

-M
 
Generic MALE said:
Also, deca and tren are from the same parent chemical...right? Deca stays detectable in the body for up to 18 months. Anyone know how long tren stays detectable in the body?
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Not even close. They may be synthesized from a similar starting material, but I don't think it's likely.

Nandrolone:
Image: http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/motm/nandrolone/nand.gif

Trenbolone:
Image: http://musclemonthly.com/images/llewellyn/Image36.gif

Tren has a conjugated triene structure which nandrolone does not. Also, the acetate versus decanoate ester creates a significant difference between these two compounds and their respective elimination rates.

If someone can show me an actual synthesis from the same precursor (which is ACTUALLY used in industry at present), I'll change my tune. But it doesn't make any sense IMO.

-M
 
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