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Am I right?

Essie

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Hi Everybody,

I have been researching a bit, and just want to confirm the following:

Testosterone and Nandrolone are both types of hormones ... right or wrong? The Decanoate is merely the ester attached to the hormone ... so there is an actual HORMONAL difference between Test Deca and Nan Deca?

Now one thing I am struggling to get much info on is what the actual difference is between Test Deca and Nan Deca ... I'll research some more, but any assistance in this matter would be greatly appreciated!:D
 
or pm me. and i can break it down for you ,actually i made a thread about this a year or more ago.
 
So, what I have managed to source out thus far ... Decanoate is one of your longer lasting esters. Esters consist out of mainly carbon and hydrogen (C and H) atoms and they primarily bind to the hormones mostly at the 17th C-position. The main function of esters is to prolong the release of the actual hormone from the site of injection ... right so far? This leads me to understand that Test Suspension is a very potent drug, but it needs to be administered daily, twice a day if you can stomach it, and the composotion is of such a nature that it doesn't really have an ester attached to it, whereas with a cypionate or decanoate ester you have half lives of anything between 3.5 - 9 days ... leading to, in theory, 1 pin/week being effective, whereas Enanthate is a lot quicker to respond and requires more frequent pinsto keep blood levels up.

Now this all leads me to believe that you can stack Test Deca and Nandrolone Deca together, even mix them into a single pin and pin once a week with reasonably good results?

Now, Esterification temporarily deactivates the steroid molecule. With a blockingof the chain at the 17th beta position, binding to the androgen receptor is impossible (no activity can be exerted on the body). In order for the compound to become active the ester must be removed first . This occurs by default once the compound has filtered into the bloodstream, where esterase enzymes quickly remove the ester chain from the steroid. This will restore the necessary 17th beta position group, enabling the drug to attach to the receptor. It is only now will the actual steroid be able to have an effect on skeletal muscle tissue. This indicates to me that considering testosterone cypionate more potent than enanthate makes little or no sense, as the muscles are only seeing free testosterone no matter which type of ester was used to deploy it.

That sorts out esters for me, fast releasing one (which tend to hurt more, as my first experince with Sust 325 tought me yesterday, and today, the whole day!! LOL!!!!) and slower releasing ones, like the Decanoate and Cypionate, which hurt less when pinning.

Now I am still looking to find the difference between Test and Nadrolone ... hmmm ... time to go researching again!

You get Nadrolona Phenylpropionate, which is a shorter acting ester attached to the Nadrolone, as oppose to the Decanoate, which is a longer acting ester, but, essentially, it is still the Nandrolone which makes the anabolic and androgenic difference in your body's hormonal composition. So, what the hell is the difference between Nandrolone and testosterone?

I have also read that the 5a -reductase process, during which the enzyme which converts testosterone to the more-potent DHT, actually converts nandrolone to a less-potent compound, and that Nandrolone, irrespective of it's attached ester, will convert to estrogen easier than Testosterone, making it a higher gyno risk drug to use. AI's are, as per some sources, not proven to completely elliminate this side-effect, but proven to reduce it significantly.

Now, with all this said, I FREAKIN' STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ACTUAL HORMONAL DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN NANDROLONE AND TESTOSTERONE!!!!!! Aaaaaaaarggghhhh! I know the difference between Testosterone and Estrogen, and what their respective roles in the human body is, and I know now that Nanrolone is only ever naturally present in the human body in small quantities and for short time frames, but COME ON ... what the hell is Nandrolone? "sigh" ... suppose I'll discover info on it some day ... or as soon as Radar calrifies it for me :)
 
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I think you're banging your heard too hard

Nandrolone is a homrone.

Testosterone is a hormone.

Deca is a nandrolone
Nadrolona Phenylpropionate is a nandrolone,works just like deca without all the bloat



2 very different hormones that act differently in your body.

Nandrolones are detectable up to 18 months

Testosterones are detectable up to 3 months
 
Cool, thanks. I suppose I'll have to take it on face value. Perhaps I should skip the internet and go to the local library ... go to the chem-section and browse around there :)
 
Cool, thanks. I suppose I'll have to take it on face value. Perhaps I should skip the internet and go to the local library ... go to the chem-section and browse around there :)

What precisely are you looking for , the atomic structure of the molecule?
 
If the atomic structure would help me in answering my question, it would help. I know that test is the male type hormone, the one that causes deepening of the voice, facial hair to grow, baldness, aggression etc and that estrogen is causing more feminine effects, like growth of breast tissue, softening of the voice etc. What does Nandrolone do in the human body?
 
Okay ... so what I know by now is this ... Testosterone, Nandrolone and Boldenone are 3 different TYPES of hormones, but definately all hormomnes.

Nandrolone is a 19-nortestosterone, which means that it has a molecular structure similiar to Testosterone, but with a carbon atom missing at the 19th position. It doesn't convert to Estrogen as easily and is very anabolic. It is usually a good idea to stack it with some form of Test and keep in mind that it is going to take your body quite a while longer to recover from this ... thus a very aggressive PCT is advised.
 
It isn't just the ester. Allow me to get really UN scientific.

All steroids are based on the testosterone molecule, even Primo which doesn't have much androgenic quality at all.

Nandrolone was one of many attempts to synthesize the T molecule in a way that did not mimic it directly, but still imparted the same effects. It seemed like the perfect steroid. But as we all know, it actually is the worst of both worlds. It still suppresses but does not mimic the "good" effects of testosterone. In part, that is due to the fact that it cannot convert to DHT. DHT is what causes androgenic aide effects but it's also what provides so many of the good effects. Since deca suppresses yet does not convert to DHT, there's nothing to provide the necessary chemicals to make an erection. Thus...deca dick.

I'm surprised anyone still uses Deca. It does blow you up fast but it's mostly with water weight. it's essentially a failed experiment in the development of anabolic enhancement.
 
Thanks for the clarification in an UN scientific manner LOL!!!!! So you figure it best to NOT use Deca? I have been pondering using for some time now in conjunction with EQ as I have before as Deca LOVES calories, and EQ makes me as hungry as a horse. Would you recommend anything else to use in conjunction with TBol and Cyp other than Deca for decent bulk?
 
HOWEVER Deca does have its uses. Such as connective tissue therapy. I dont think there is anything that tops Deca for this specific purpose according to the study that is posted somewhere on here. Ther is a hell of a lot to be said for the "theraputic (low dose) approach" with Deca. IMO...
 
I think the joint relief of deca is way overstated. Much of the relief comes from the water retention.

What to add for bulk? Hell, if you can't bulk on tbol and cyp, ...I don't know. Dbol will add more water than Tbol. Throw in a couple of BIG BLASTS each day. I can't imagine you not putting on size.
 
HOWEVER Deca does have its uses. Such as connective tissue therapy. I dont think there is anything that tops Deca for this specific purpose according to the study that is posted somewhere on here. Ther is a hell of a lot to be said for the "theraputic (low dose) approach" with Deca. IMO...

I am aware of Deca, Deca Dick, Joint Lube etc ... it is just the recovery time that worries me. And then the fact that you blow up tremendously while on it, but lose most of it when coming off ... I mean, no amount of eating and training is going to help you in turning water-weight into muscle :D :p :D :p :D :p :)
 
I think the joint relief of deca is way overstated. Much of the relief comes from the water retention.

What to add for bulk? Hell, if you can't bulk on tbol and cyp, ...I don't know. Dbol will add more water than Tbol. Throw in a couple of BIG BLASTS each day. I can't imagine you not putting on size.

For the sake of sounding daft ... what do you mean when you say "BIG BLASTS"? ;) :confused: :D :) :p
 
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