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[tiggerizme]

Thanks swolk. It sucks because when this gets bumped it's get ran through to page 2 by all the damn c&c posts. It's almost like this is more of a chat board than anything else. Wish the two could be separated.

Hmmmm..

 

[itlnstln]

^^^^^ for my good friend

 

[DieselGunz]

I dont know everything about AAS and i dont act like I do but I like helping and making a differance, I was once a guy who knew nothing about AAS and a few quality members took the time to help me and show me the ropes and i am forever grateful.

IF the mod position was as explained by Tigger I would be honored to take the position. I conduct myself with the reader in mind if anyone knows me knows I try to help when I can and that will not change anytime soon.

I want to help the people like me around here, no BS

 

[needtogetaas]

I dont know everything about AAS and i dont act like I do but I like helping and making a differance, I was once a guy who knew nothing about AAS and a few quality members took the time to help me and show me the ropes and i am forever grateful.

IF the mod position was as explained by Tigger I would be honored to take the position. I conduct myself with the reader in mind if anyone knows me knows I try to help when I can and that will not change anytime soon.

I want to help the people like me around here, no BS

you do a grate job bro.you got a cool adatude to.

 

[Mr.X]

Here's a great idea... There should be more Mods on this board to give warnings and enforce rules. There should be more sticky's pinned for new peeps to view.. There are so many threads being started that you can't even view one without the next three popping up with questions that are the exact same.

People are complaining about being scammed because they come on this forum and immediately think that the members are going to hand out a gold card with Sources posted all over it. They go to people with lots of Karma thinking that means they have been here longer or know more about AAS which is not true at all. They confide in the wrong people and open doors that can do them harm. I am not complaining about the Board this is just a simple suggestion.

The population is growing and so should the security..

George what's your response??

You make a very valid argument.

There are some things to consider. Over the years I've been here, EF has tried a lot of different approaches to the newbie problem. We tried TOS, stickies and even PMing newbies with the rules, but it did not change a thing. With 100,000+ members and 5,000,000 posts + , you will have newbies coming in and posting everything from source questions to "I'm 30% bodyfat, using wienstol to lose bodyfat, how much do I use?". These things are common on almost every steroid forum out there, not just EF. The truth is that when the target market is steroid newbies, these issues will come up no matter what you do. Short of giving everyone an IQ test and quizzing them on the rules (as Ulter pointed out), you are not going to find any easy solutions.

Personally, I spend considerable time on the forums here because I enjoy helping members. I don’t want to see even 1 newbie go thru what I went thru when I started. As most of you probably heard, many years ago, when I started bodybuilding and steroids, the internet was not around. The advice I got was from “Mr. Lat spread” at the gym; it was so horrible that after my first cycle, I had gyno, high BP, loss of almost all my gains and, to top it off, I had a great “deca” bridge lol! Yes, the big, buff guy with barely any hair on his head and a Frankenstein jaw, suggested I use Deca to “bridge” between cycles and keep my joints ‘moist’ (that’s almost word for word). Now do we want to see newbies get this type of advice from the gym? Or do we want them to come on here and ask newbie questions, but get a real answer with explanations? When newbies come to EF, they have the steroid forum, the wealth of 5,000,000 + posts and a collection of top notch Ebooks EF sells:
https://www.elitefitness.com/amember/
Under: E-Books & Reports


In terms of moderation of the steroid forum, we don’t need new mods. at this point. We have some good mods. and vets here that take care of the steroid forum well. The new mod. selection rules are also changing; I think GS and BRR are going to be a lot more strict with who’s brought on board. If anything, I would like to see more chairman members join our team.

I wont address the source issue because I believe mods. shouldn’t do source checks or even source suggestions. It’s just plain bad for the mod. if the source goes sour, the mod. gets tangled in the web of problems that creates. IMO, sources are too “open” these days. I remember just 5 years ago, you had to be a vet and have reference before you could even get anyone to refer you; now you go to any open source board and BAM! sources are posting lists in the open! Or sources who have websites up? Talk about drawing the DEA’s attention to them.

 

[tiggerizme]

Your point is well taken Mr X however my concern is not neccesarily the source questions. It's the redundancy, the flaming, the scamming and the lack of mandatory rule reading before posting. By all means I love this community as much as the next guy, otherwise I wouldn't be stressing this concern at the level I am currently. I am sure things have been tried, some work and some don't but I don't think for a second that just because one didn't work that everyone should just lay down and overlook it. It seems to me almost that there is a lack of structure in police and members. The layered effect of, basically put, Supervisors, Mgr, Operation Mgrs, Executives etc of course in a Board Genre. I have suggested above the difference in Mods. Informative ones and Security ones. With a population this size Security should be announced and Mandated.

I agree that we need to inform newbies of the correct information. First and foremost though how do they know who to go to? I have spoken of the Karma crap above as well. This is a false sense of security for new people. Don't get me wrong, Karma is fun, it adds a little humor to the Board which I beleive in. Sources posting in the open is not tolerated here but my question is. If a source did post a price list in a new topic how long would it sit out there until it was removed, what consequences would he /she endure? This is where security concerns are brought to mind.

There are a number of people here that understand my concern, they may not agree or maybe they do and don't want to voice it however it remains the same. I think you also are agreeing to the suggestive idea just not in so many words. COTB members, what can they do to assist besides what we as regular or Platinum members do. We see something that could put someone at risk and we email a mod a link to have it deleted/moved. I pmed Ulter yesterday and asked him to lock my own thread. He couldn't even do it, so I guess what I am saying is what contribution do COTB give to my concern, SECURITY???

Mods are the first line of defense agains all flames, scams or source questions I am assuming. This is Security. People who should be doing research on members to see if they have been Banned from other sites. Alias name checks, references etc. Afterall if a person gets banned on another website for scamming are they allowed to post on EF?? Of course they are because no one knows they were banned. This leaves our members open to security risks. Everyone knows that if you google any AAS question EF appears immediately. We already have the biggest gate for people to come through there should be some sort of security to prevent known security risks from entering our world.

Again I must explain that these are not complaint, simply suggestions to better our community. I'm not posting a thread explaining that I WANT TO BE FUTURE MOD.. This isn't the point at all. I am simply using the known security measures as a reference tool. In this case Mods specifically. Would you agree that there is a Security concern amongst our people? Of course you would as would probably all members. Would you also agree that our rules and regulation are not mandated for all new comers to view. Of course. Would you also agree that there is not enough security in our community to prevent the loses I have explained? Prevention is a strong word to be using. Maybe I should be using Intervention instead. We all know you well Mr X. We all agree that you make this a better place. You help others in need wether they are new or old. This we appreciate. Please don't disgard my concern with such tenure when speaking of a Secure environment for our members.

Our community is at my best interest and although I am fairly new as well I see ways to make it better. I voice the suggestive ideas as a way to give back. I know the world is revolved around money and advertisements, this will never go away. I am not asking that all ridiculous questions be halted as Ulter had commented on earlier, I am simply asking that a better security system be set in place to protect our members and more security Mods would be a first step. This is worth it even if we help one person from being scammed or run into legal matters. Afterall this board is here to help everyone, let's uphold that image and exhaust more measures to protect them.

 

[Quiltie]

My experience is that the 'cleaner' you want the board, the more editors' eyes need to look at it. Silly kids will always post their silly questions. We all know and accept that by virtue of the fact that this is a public board. Having a public access board with free admission means there is no "piker weeding" at the first tier. Even if it cost a 1$ to start posting here, it would eliminate a portion of the stupidity.

I'm not complaining; it's not like things are terrible or out of hand at all, there's just always room for improvement.

The discussion seems to have polarized into "we have enough mods, leave it alone" and "we need more mods, things are wacky and need more supervision". I would say that a regimented heirarchy of mods with varying levels of power would seem appropriate to flesh out the staff.

Perhaps there just needs to be an initiative by members to self-police the board- i.e. report stupidity right away to the duty mod and prevent annoyances forthwith. Of course, the general population is the most powerful and all-seeing force, as we are literally everywhere at once. I would call that approach phase 1, and give it a try, see if it cleans things up a bit.
Phase 2 would involve some additions to the mod staff.
Phase 3 would most likely incorporate Steelmass driving to noobs' houses and beating them with a stick when they make stupid posts. Make sense to anyone?

 

[SwolK]

lol at phase 3. i like it!!

 

[tiggerizme]

I appreciate your response quiltie and I to agree with your steps for a better community. Its always appreciative to find members who are willing to contribute to a better society if even if it does take a few extra minutes out of our time. I for one am willing to take these steps to avoid future structural downfall. The advise offered in this thread should be taken seriously by the Management staff and I am assured that it will.

Again all comments regarding this matter are helpful and appreciated. It is nice to know that I am not the only member who is concerned for the well-being of our organization.

 

[todoveritas]

I've been around for 1 1/2 years and have noticed a distinct increase in the # of BS questions. The newbie questions I don't mind, but advice being given by 17-year olds who have done 1-2 cycles is getting a bit dangerous. As a professional trying manage time between work, family, and training, anything that could be done to eliminate the time waste shifting through the horseplay and sophmoric antics would be well-appreciated.