All things being equal.....

[-SD-]

Are vials faked more than amps?

And is domestic more likely to be fake than foreign?

Seems any guy can buy some vials and put just grape seed oil in it and sell it. But to make amps takes a larger investment in manufacturing equipment and would behoove the makers to not sell fakes so as to get future business to pay for the investment.

Also seems since gear is legal overseas that its less likely to be faked than domestic, where its illegal.

Just my thoughts

 

[miplank]

To answer your question....yes.

 

[luv2hunt43]

depends if you trust your source

 

[wootoom]

This is against the rules

 

[-SD-]

This is against the rules

really, even though theres no mention of any source or specific actions of sources?

 

[wootoom]

really, even though theres no mention of any source or specific actions of sources?

Haha I'm buggin you

 

[-SD-]

Haha I'm buggin you

Can i switch to serious on AAS board?

 

[gatemoney]

The only time I've been sold flat out bunk gear was when I ordered pharm grad (amps) from overseas.

 

[stevesmi]

i prefer amps.. usually they are pharm grade.. you know what you are getting

vials can be inconsistent.. sometimes they are great, sometimes they suck..

 

[hardrock]

Had some fake amps before, also some fake redijects. Researching them is how I found this site. I would think Vials would more likely to be bunk.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I don't think foreign or domestic matters. Since steroids are so cheap to make it would be stupid to go through the expense of making fake stuff and juts go out of business in a few months. (Not that those places don't exist).

The biggest problem is dosage. I believe most UG gear is severely underdosed. ANd with the expensive stuff like Primo, who know if they just cut it with something cheaper. There was a place years ago that sold 200 mg amps of primo. Upon testing it turned out to have roughly 50 mgs of primo 25 mgs of EQ and 25 mgs of test.

Nobody but the real primo pros could tell.

 

[RADAR]

I never have to worry about fake stuff

 

[-SD-]

I never have to worry about fake stuff

technically i dont either but im not laying down a grand for some test and deca from my hrt clinic everytime i want to run a cycle

 

[ledhead]

I never have to worry about fake stuff

Me either

 

[-SD-]

Me either

I know where you get your stuff from

 

[Soulthief]

I just wish people would be honest up front. If it's UG just tell me I don't mind. I just don't like being told it's pharm then I see it and it not. Even worse if they try to convince me otherwise. People also say "it's not foreign" like it's a bad thing. I don't mind foreign as long as it's legit.

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[-SD-]

I just wish people would be honest up front. If it's UG just tell me I don't mind. I just don't like being told it's pharm then I see it and it not. Even worse if they try to convince me otherwise. People also say "it's not foreign" like it's a bad thing. I don't mind foreign as long as it's legit.

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doesnt sound like youve been in this game very long.

 

[Soulthief]

I was hurt by the fina crackdown. For over 10 years I didn't have to worry about trusting anyone but myself. Now that fina is pretty much gone I've had to deal with people like I described above that think UG is a bad thing. I dont.

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[Labtec70]

I think ten or twenty years ago - before the popularity of the internet - counterfeiting was rife. However, like has already been mentioned, the wholesale price and availability of raw materials has made counterfeiting much less profitable than it was in the past.
However, I read from some source recently (can't remember where it was) that around 10% to20% of non-pharmacy prescribed product is counterfeit or fake. I think this also included under-dosed products.
I agree that ampoules are less likely to be hooky than vialed products but they do exist. Also, I understand what Soulthief is saying about foreign product. Many foreign countries, especially Middle Eastern countries like Pakistan and Iran produce a great deal of pharma grade product. Trying to reproduce batches, amps, packaging and literature would be an expensive and time consuming feat on its own. This makes it less likely to be a fake reproduction.

Nevertheless, some countries are more likely to produce and sell counterfeit products of both amps and vials: Singapore and other far eastern/sub continent countries. Also domestics in the USA and Canada tend to have a higher proportion of counterfeit product than, say, the UK or EU.
I think this is because "hardcore" USA customs make importing harder, and therefore presents a profitable business opportunity for counterfeiters and fakers to supply a keen and frustrated domestic market.

Thoughts???

 

[Soulthief]

You're right. It would be such a waste of time for a lot of the eastern European countries to make fake when all someone has to do is walk into a pharmacy and buy what they want. Because its illegal in the US, it obviously makes a perfect market for UG labs and, in turn, a bigger chance of fake or under dosed.

Then again, SD says I'm new to his game so what do I know. Before you fill my inbox with bombs again and black me out MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!

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[-SD-]

I was hurt by the fina crackdown. For over 10 years I didn't have to worry about trusting anyone but myself. Now that fina is pretty much gone I've had to deal with people like I described above that think UG is a bad thing. I dont.

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fina isnt gone, its sold all over the internet legally through vet stores. Even amazon carries it

 

[Soulthief]

fina isnt gone, its sold all over the internet legally through vet stores. Even amazon carries it

You're correct. I meant because of the light that has been shined on it I personally don't feel comfortable like I use to messing with it. I'm paranoid.

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[-SD-]

You're correct. I meant because of the light that has been shined on it I personally don't feel comfortable like I use to messing with it. I'm paranoid.

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Are you afraid its fake? I highly doubt the legit vet stores are moving fake fina.

or just afraid of the attention its been getting from LE and dont want to risk having a package at your door?

 

[Soulthief]

Are you afraid its fake? I highly doubt the legit vet stores are moving fake fina.

or just afraid of the attention its been getting from LE and dont want to risk having a package at your door?

No, not afraid at all of the fina. I had a great vet supplier for years and now they will not sell to me unless I send proof of having a business in cattle or farming. I know I can go elsewhere it just really bothered me. Before, all I ever did was add to cart then one day they called asking questions and I freaked.

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[dusteefartz]

No, not afraid at all of the fina. I had a great vet supplier for years and now they will not sell to me unless I send proof of having a business in cattle or farming. I know I can go elsewhere it just really bothered me. Before, all I ever did was add to cart then one day they called asking questions and I freaked.

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I'm the same way...totally paranoid now that the light has been shined on fina..back in the day I use to make my own and LOVED it...now who knows what/who will be knocking at your door after its delivered.....SUCKS!!

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Rob, I dont really think its fake or not that you need to worry about. Just under/over dosing. Obviously avoid anything in a sachet. Thats just geigh and unsanitary.
As previously stated .... back before internet or before real internet growth (late 90's) you could absolutely find fakes of alot of the major pharm companies. But now I dont really think there is a point. If some guy is doing it in the small time by faking vials and filling them with just CSO and selling them, sooner or later this guy is going to get his skull broken.
I have done the clinic route before like you. Even in that case its not like your getting big name brand test or nandrolone that we all know right? It should just be coming out of a compounding pharmacy right? Honestly....nowadays...and with the recent disease outbreak from that compounding pharmacy(i forget the details) I would rather have a real good reputable UG. But know what your getting. Most people wouldnt mind over dosed gear.
One of the real good quality UG test I have is dosed high. This is not good when your trying to cruise and keep your test around 1000 ng/dl for a few months and let your RBC, Hemocrit, liver, LDL ect....normalize. Then get bloods done and find out your total T is over 2400 ng/dl. SO everything has been elevated for way too long, blood is thick...takes longer time to normalize now, fucks up your blast plans...ect.
So like I said....know what your getting. Next time I go to use this stuff at 375mg wk I'm only going to use 250mg wk.

 

[-SD-]

This whole fucking game is one big crap shoot