MonStar...just remember that we are all individuals with slightly different chemical makeups.Therefore,what might be a waste of money for you,may work very well for someone else.Some people gain nada from creatine while others put on 15 quality lbs.Hell,some gain like mad from steroids,while others get very little.Vanadyl has done some good things for me...more than ALA alone in fact.Since Istarted training,I have gone from 125 non-cut pounds to about 240 at 10% bf.I have done this drug free,so I have a very good idea what supps work(at least for me and my clientele).Don't bash a supplement b/c you got nothing from it...just simply never use it again.