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Aifm Rash Poll
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djsf
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I do have one friend who tried AIFM and got a rash that turned into blisters, and last I heard he said the product was working, but he didn't like the sides so he was going to ask for a refund. I haven't tried AIFM myself because I am happy with arimidex/liquidex and imo "if it ain't broken don't fix it", so I am not voting. I did get low libido from taking Sesapure, but that's not for this poll either. K to you for starting a poll on this topic, it should be very interesting.
jmt24
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never had a bad reaction to any of the af store products. the only product that i didnt personally like was YES and this was due to the fact that i never got in the habit of using it religously before workouts. just started to be a pain, but i know ppl have had great results off that particular product.
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immortalis
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Been usin it in the same 2 spots (forearms) for 8 straight weeks, 1.5 pumps per arm and have had -0- negative sides from it.
macrophage69alpha
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wierd there is already a yes vote but no post to go along with it. Who could that have been? maybe one of the people with a financial interest in seeing AIFM bashed. THe same person that prodded and goaded itlstln into crying foul when he had not in fact even tried the product.
macrophage69alpha
New member
having used it for over 4 months consistently:
NO
(though as noted there are those that do, likely due to allergic reaction)
did you know that most cosmetics and perfumes have a 1-5% allergy rate?
NO
(though as noted there are those that do, likely due to allergic reaction)
did you know that most cosmetics and perfumes have a 1-5% allergy rate?
digimon7068
New member
I got it. . .BAD. . .little water filled bubbles, like poison ivy, friggin nasty. However, I have a hard head and I don't give up very easily so, I started moving it around. . .wrists, back of hands, upper thigh, shins, tops of feet. . .every couple of days I move to a new site and, after application, I let it dry for a couple of minutes then put a thin layer of clear aloe vera gel on top and, viola, no more rash. 
Zuperman
New member
digimon7068 said:I got it. . .BAD. . .little water filled bubbles, like poison ivy, friggin nasty. However, I have a hard head and I don't give up very easily so, I started moving it around. . .wrists, back of hands, upper thigh, shins, tops of feet. . .every couple of days I move to a new site and, after application, I let it dry for a couple of minutes then put a thin layer of clear aloe vera gel on top and, viola, no more rash.
vote then, or not?
digimon7068
New member
Zuperman said:
Umm, first yes, now no. Should I like, vote twice??
digimon7068
New member
Zuperman said:
Follow my instructions and you will not get a rash. . .I vote no.
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Mr.X
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digimon7068 said:
but you did get a rash initially, correct?
INNOCENT
New member
no, i never got the rash, i was one of the people who tested the product too before it came out. i tried to see if the rash occured before my workout by spraying right before i went to train but no rash would ever come up. i guess it only happens to people with really sensative skin. ?
macrophage69alpha
New member
AG boy, go away. The members can work it out for themselves.
do you need to grasp so hard?
AIFM can cause a rash, even if it was 5%, which it most certainly is not, it would still be in the range of other topical formulas of the same nature.
give it a rest.
if people want to take british dragon aromasin thats also a great choice.
do you need to grasp so hard?
AIFM can cause a rash, even if it was 5%, which it most certainly is not, it would still be in the range of other topical formulas of the same nature.
give it a rest.
if people want to take british dragon aromasin thats also a great choice.
swordfish151
New member
I say send a free sample to Itlstln and let him try it out...unless he has already..this is getting pointless...If you havnt tried the product how can someone bash it...off of what others are saying?? ok thats their results....make your own judgment and use it.. 
digimon7068
New member
Mr.X said:
Yes I did. I also get a bad reaction from BA if I inject in the same place to many times in a row. . .ain't gonna stop doing that either.
Move it around and the problem will go away.
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racoon_city
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yea british dragon has a great set of tabs for cheap!!
on a side note ill Let you guys know how my AIFM therapy goes
on a side note ill Let you guys know how my AIFM therapy goes
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racoon_city
Guest
Ulter said:
me too, but i bust out in hives and rashes when i eat garlic in my food
anon1234321456
New member
I got puss filled bumps on my skin from AIFM.
Nighthawkk
New member
Nope, no problems yet.
R1 Psycho
New member
swordfish151 said:I say send a free sample to Itlstln and let him try it out...unless he has already..this is getting pointless...If you havnt tried the product how can someone bash it...off of what others are saying?? ok thats their results....make your own judgment and use it..
I say send me a free sample!! I have lots of friends who would be interested in this product, inluding myself!
R1
blut wump
New member
On the side of the cannister it says: "If irritation of site occurs rotate and be sure to hydrate area with a soothing lotion like aloe vera".under said:
I'd take that as a clear declaration on the packaging of the possibility of an adverse reaction along with a solution should one be susceptible.
c3bodybuilding
New member
I think this poll is pointless. Anyone can post yes or no without trying the product. And the mods are fighting now? Mr. X, Ulter, Macro.. you guys are vets. I know the word vet gets thrown around a lot these days, but in this case it is true. This board is suffering lately. What happened to us all being brothers? Or is all that bro stuff now just some bs? With all the heat we have on our lifestyle, the last thing we need is everyone fighting and coming apart. This and a couple of other boards are the only place I can go to and talk about this part of my lifestyle freely. Mention gear in the real world and you get the same looks a crackhead would get! Time to heal this place and stop the fighting and senseless crap.
If there's a product problem that's one thing (and it seems the AF store is willing to take care of it), but the fighting needs to stop once and for all.
If there's a product problem that's one thing (and it seems the AF store is willing to take care of it), but the fighting needs to stop once and for all.
Not to be nitpicky but if it says "if irritation occurs.." isn't that a declaration that it's possible? I think it's pretty clear and it's also on the website where you buy the product. And the whole thing is ridiculously blown out of proportion. But knock yourself out
GROUP HUG!!!!C3bodybuilding said:
c3bodybuilding
New member
GROUP HUG!!!! >>>
Not a bad idea around here lately! lol
And if what Ulter posted is true and they put a disclaimer, why is there even a discussion about it?
Not a bad idea around here lately! lol
And if what Ulter posted is true and they put a disclaimer, why is there even a discussion about it?
macrophage69alpha said:
you're the only one that did any prodding (through PM) - after I posted (pissed) that "X" had closed a thread the other day - YOU sent me a couple of PM's pretty much bashing "X".
You, my friend, are not too bright - in fact - you're an idiot.
Do you really think I would take "coaching" from someone I get in battles with on a daily basis? "X" and I drive each other crazy - I think he's a "thread-closer" - and I KNOW he doesn't think I'm his "boy"
I am done bashing the product- you're a "tool".
I wanted FUCKIN ANSWERS in the beginning, cause I knew a few people had terrible reactions to your product, instead of directly answering me - you PM'd me. I still don't believe we've heard the whole story, but we'll see.
I'm done
drrman
New member
itlnstln said:
Bro, I like you and all, but this is one of those times you may want to shut up that you talked about in one of your posts the other week.....you made your point but the name calling just makes you look like a moron and takes away from a lot of your respect and credibility bro
swordfish151
New member
itlnstln said:
Theres no need for name calling bro, we are all adults here and I believe that macro or ulter havnt attacked you in that manner....here's my question that is just itching in my brain...why are you sooooooooooooooo concerned with the product? is it really for peoples health? I mean you just joined in Dec of 2005...you've only been here for 4 months and im not sure where you come across or why you come across the way you do sometimes.
swordfish151 said:
- I've ordered a BUNCH of stuff from AF.
- I was thinking of ordering AIFM, cause I need some more A-Dex
- Used the "search" for peoples reviews and came across something i thought was disturbing - you know the post.
- I got fired up, cause I really DO CARE
- Are you saying I'm too "new" to be shooting from the hip?
Did that scratch your itch - Swordfish?
Why don't you say what's really on you mind..............
swordfish151
New member
itlnstln said:
Im not here to get into arguments, im here to educate and be educated as much as possible...im just lost to why your so pissed off? I know your concerned..i understand that...but you havnt even tried the product....you basing your "facts" on the negatives and totally disregarding the fact that there are alot of well known bro's on this board that have used the product and have had no problem with it....none....why arent those people pissed off about it..why arent they posting...are you the their spokesperson..i mean come on bro..
justinjones1963
New member
I got the rash and the blisters.
I am still using it though. I played with the sites I was spraying it on and for me I came to these conclusions:
If I spray the same area, once per day, for three days straight (and discontinue) I will still get a minor rash 24-36 hours after the last spray.
I made the mistake of spraying on my hands and wrists, got a small rash, and did it again. It broke out like hell and blisters then formed.
I still use it though but I make sure I rotate it every day so there is at least one day gap on the areas I am hitting. I rotate: top of feet, wrists, back of hands, forearm.
On a positive note I used it while on dbol and it was wonderful. I plan on using it during my PCT.
I am still using it though. I played with the sites I was spraying it on and for me I came to these conclusions:
If I spray the same area, once per day, for three days straight (and discontinue) I will still get a minor rash 24-36 hours after the last spray.
I made the mistake of spraying on my hands and wrists, got a small rash, and did it again. It broke out like hell and blisters then formed.
I still use it though but I make sure I rotate it every day so there is at least one day gap on the areas I am hitting. I rotate: top of feet, wrists, back of hands, forearm.
On a positive note I used it while on dbol and it was wonderful. I plan on using it during my PCT.
nuevo laredo
New member
I love this drama - it is so entertaining.
itlnstln - macro is very well versed in chemistry and biology. You sound like a dumbass calling him the names that you did. Like I've said before we're all big boys here (and girls) but come on man think before you talk. I understand what you are saying about the PMs from macro but if you look around can't you see that he might have a point? I'm gonna "shoot from the hip" here and say that you look like and idiot in that post.
Macro is pretty open about his agenda which I respect. He's out to make money and is not indirect about it.
Anyway, thanks for the excitement; this place was getting boring.
And don't get me wrong, I respect your style and mean don't intend to be offensive. I am simply making an observation.
itlnstln - macro is very well versed in chemistry and biology. You sound like a dumbass calling him the names that you did. Like I've said before we're all big boys here (and girls) but come on man think before you talk. I understand what you are saying about the PMs from macro but if you look around can't you see that he might have a point? I'm gonna "shoot from the hip" here and say that you look like and idiot in that post.
Macro is pretty open about his agenda which I respect. He's out to make money and is not indirect about it.
Anyway, thanks for the excitement; this place was getting boring.
And don't get me wrong, I respect your style and mean don't intend to be offensive. I am simply making an observation.
nuevo laredo
New member
I got a rash that blistered but it was where my watch rubbed my wrist. The small rash was the same shape of my watch band. My solution was to apply it higher up my forearms and if it dripped down to take my watch off for the morning.
Goldprospector
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this shit has gone beyond comical...I vote no.
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Mr.X
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Goldprospector said:
did you use AIFM?
Goldprospector
New member
Agreed, I wonder who made this alter?OMEGA said:
Goldprospector
New member
Um., excuse me?..I wouldn't have voted otherwise. I have not used it for very long (almost 2 weeks) but I have not seen a rash.Mr.X said:
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Mr.X
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Goldprospector said:
thanks for voting ...
Let's get more member feedback.
Goldprospector
New member
I agree, feed back is great for any product...But Damn, the controversy is getting old. I can remember a couple of years ago when the biggest controversy was when a newbie posted about wanting to use multiple compounds on his first cycle and getting bashed for it...( Like I did )
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natty
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Goldprospector said:
Shit I'm sure every store on here would employ some fake names boasting their products. I know I would if I owned a supplement business, its free advertising.
macrophage69alpha
New member
so you have 4 people that say that got a rash, one of which voted no because they "solved" the issue themselves. one that is an obvious shill. one with a rash and legit problem and one with a rash that only occured because of interaction with their watch (this is an issue that needs to be addressed in the extended instructions)
so 3 posts for yes and yet there are at this time 11 votes saying yes.
have any of the people posting been attacked (except for obvious shill and then he was just ignored)?
have they been silenced?
or have they been encouraged and their issues resolved by either suggestion or refund?
so 3 posts for yes and yet there are at this time 11 votes saying yes.
have any of the people posting been attacked (except for obvious shill and then he was just ignored)?
have they been silenced?
or have they been encouraged and their issues resolved by either suggestion or refund?
DieselGunz
New member
Well this is a shock, I am a BIG supporter of AF shop I have used a number of there products and had VERY good results. I have no vested interest in AF or AG guys.
I used AIFM and broke out with a TERRIBLE rash and puss filled blisters all over my foreams and top of my feet. It was so bad had to go to the doctor and 2 subscriptions of a steroid cream and pills to take care of it. I was on AIFM for about 3 weeks and felt good but about 2 weeks into i started getting bumps so i started using less of it, that is when it SPREAD and quickly. Even with the doctors help it took over a week for me to get to the point of not being uncomfortable, and i still have red marks where the rash was. (cant wear short sleeves)
I am not bashing anyone nor taking sides I respect both Ulter and X just telling the truth.
I used AIFM and broke out with a TERRIBLE rash and puss filled blisters all over my foreams and top of my feet. It was so bad had to go to the doctor and 2 subscriptions of a steroid cream and pills to take care of it. I was on AIFM for about 3 weeks and felt good but about 2 weeks into i started getting bumps so i started using less of it, that is when it SPREAD and quickly. Even with the doctors help it took over a week for me to get to the point of not being uncomfortable, and i still have red marks where the rash was. (cant wear short sleeves)
I am not bashing anyone nor taking sides I respect both Ulter and X just telling the truth.
macrophage69alpha
New member
see, when you say things like that you sound like mr.x's mouth piece. He posted something almost identical to that on the mod forum.
and have been quite level with you, even though you have been very rude and out of order. Making many claims that you dont have the information to make, claims that mr.x has made (off the forums)- claims that are incorrect- though the fact that you make them in almos the exact same fashion just solidifies the evidence of where your information comes.
and have been quite level with you, even though you have been very rude and out of order. Making many claims that you dont have the information to make, claims that mr.x has made (off the forums)- claims that are incorrect- though the fact that you make them in almos the exact same fashion just solidifies the evidence of where your information comes.
macrophage69alpha
New member
itlnstln said:
you cannot post links to sources.
and as noted before there are a lot of sources that carry british dragon.
btw- dont really care for sources or their business, but its wrong for mods to try to get them banned because they compete with them.
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Mr.X
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itlnstln said:
lol macro edited your posts I'm not surprised bro
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Mr.X
Guest
guess who's editing the poll???
20:49, 16th Mar 2006 macrophage69alpha
Post Re: Aifm Rash Poll Edited Re: Aifm Rash Poll
20:49, 16th Mar 2006 macrophage69alpha
Post Re: Aifm Rash Poll Edited Re: Aifm Rash Poll
TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT
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lmao..this is hilarious...and yes i was one that got a rasshMr.X said:
TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT
New member
no im gay
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Anthony Roberts
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itlnstln said:
When I was new, and shooting from the hip, I was allowed to do it...except when I posted studies showing AIFM wasn't such a hot product.
Then I was insulted, called a failure and fraud, and had my posts removed...only, oddly ,when I spoke badly about the primary ingredient in ATD...
TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT
New member
just came out, today, after Morrison won against Xavier...i donated my balls to him.galaxy said:really
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Mr.X
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anthony roberts said:
You forgot to add that you disproved AIFM at that time, but macro edited your posts, lied about what he was doing and banned you. Macro's true personality showing right here in this thread.
Thank god for print screen!
DieselGunz
New member
we can not see all this shady stuff going on behind the scenes because we are not mods. This is a level playing field with X and company because both of them can see eveything being done.
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Mr.X
Guest
DieselGunz said:
Don't worry you'll get PMs from macro in a second telling you about posting here. They'll give you a refund, shut you up, and then they'll injure some more members with this dangerous product.
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Anthony Roberts
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Remember my friend who suffered cognitive impairment from A transdermal AI? Because brain aromatase is necessary to avoid cognitive impairment? He came here and shared his experience, remember? Well...Then Macro said it was because he used Letro Transdermally, not ATD? Here's a study showing ATD inhibits brain aromatase:
J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1993 Dec;77(6):1529-34.
Differential effects of aromatase inhibition on luteinizing hormone secretion in intact and castrated male cynomolgus macaques.
Resko JA, Connolly PB, Roselli CE, Abdelgadir SE, Choate JV.
Department of Physiology, Oregon Health Sciences University, Portland 97201-3098.
To understand the role of central aromatization in feedback regulation of LH in nonhuman primates, we treated adult male cynomolgus monkeys with the aromatase inhibitor, 1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione (ATD). We measured LH, testosterone (T), and ATD in systemic sera of blood samples drawn on a diurnal schedule (0900 and 2100 h). Each animal was bled for 4 pretreatment days from a femoral catheter after which they were divided into the following treatment groups: castrated (Cx), n = 2; Cx + T, n = 6; Cx + T + ATD, n = 6; Cx + ATD, n = 3; and sham operated + ATD, n = 3. Silastic capsules or packets containing T or ATD, respectively, were placed sc between the scapulae at the time of Cx or sham treatment. In T-treated animals, T (20 micrograms/kg body weight) dissolved in propylene glycol was injected im at 2100 h to mimic the diurnal rise of T observed in nonhuman primates. Animals were bled for 2 weeks after which they were killed, and selected brain areas were analyzed for aromatase activity and cytosolic and nuclear androgen receptors. Animals treated with ATD had significantly reduced levels of aromatase activity in selected regions of the hypothalamus, preoptic area, and the amygdala (P < 0.05). Even though ATD inhibited brain aromatase activity, it did not prevent the negative feedback actions of T on LH secretion after Cx. In addition, ATD by itself inhibited LH secretion after Cx and activated brain androgen receptors. These latter effects of ATD seemed to have been mediated through a metabolite. In sham-operated intact males, ATD produced variable surges of LH that were accompanied by elevations of T in the systemic circulation. These differential effects of ATD in intact vs. castrated animals demonstrate the importance of selecting the proper model system to study LH control mechanisms. In the intact animal, aromatization seems to play a role in regulating LH secretion, but the postcastration rise of LH seems to be regulated differently.
PMID: 8263136 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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My verdict? ATD is dangerous. Avoid.
J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1993 Dec;77(6):1529-34.
Differential effects of aromatase inhibition on luteinizing hormone secretion in intact and castrated male cynomolgus macaques.
Resko JA, Connolly PB, Roselli CE, Abdelgadir SE, Choate JV.
Department of Physiology, Oregon Health Sciences University, Portland 97201-3098.
To understand the role of central aromatization in feedback regulation of LH in nonhuman primates, we treated adult male cynomolgus monkeys with the aromatase inhibitor, 1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione (ATD). We measured LH, testosterone (T), and ATD in systemic sera of blood samples drawn on a diurnal schedule (0900 and 2100 h). Each animal was bled for 4 pretreatment days from a femoral catheter after which they were divided into the following treatment groups: castrated (Cx), n = 2; Cx + T, n = 6; Cx + T + ATD, n = 6; Cx + ATD, n = 3; and sham operated + ATD, n = 3. Silastic capsules or packets containing T or ATD, respectively, were placed sc between the scapulae at the time of Cx or sham treatment. In T-treated animals, T (20 micrograms/kg body weight) dissolved in propylene glycol was injected im at 2100 h to mimic the diurnal rise of T observed in nonhuman primates. Animals were bled for 2 weeks after which they were killed, and selected brain areas were analyzed for aromatase activity and cytosolic and nuclear androgen receptors. Animals treated with ATD had significantly reduced levels of aromatase activity in selected regions of the hypothalamus, preoptic area, and the amygdala (P < 0.05). Even though ATD inhibited brain aromatase activity, it did not prevent the negative feedback actions of T on LH secretion after Cx. In addition, ATD by itself inhibited LH secretion after Cx and activated brain androgen receptors. These latter effects of ATD seemed to have been mediated through a metabolite. In sham-operated intact males, ATD produced variable surges of LH that were accompanied by elevations of T in the systemic circulation. These differential effects of ATD in intact vs. castrated animals demonstrate the importance of selecting the proper model system to study LH control mechanisms. In the intact animal, aromatization seems to play a role in regulating LH secretion, but the postcastration rise of LH seems to be regulated differently.
PMID: 8263136 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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My verdict? ATD is dangerous. Avoid.
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Anthony Roberts
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At least it is an anti-androgen too...so it'll help you avoid any of that nasty testosterone you have floating around making you bigger or stronger...
Effects of ATD on male sexual behavior and androgen receptor binding: a reexamination of the aromatization hypothesis.
Kaplan ME, McGinnis MY.
Department of Anatomy, Mount Sinai School of Medicine, CUNY, New York 10029.
The aromatization hypothesis asserts that testosterone (T) must be aromatized to estradiol (E2) to activate copulatory behavior in the male rat. In support of this hypothesis, the aromatization inhibitor, ATD, has been found to suppress male sexual behavior in T-treated rats. In our experiment, we first replicated this finding by peripherally injecting ATD (15 mg/day) or propylene glycol into T-treated (two 10-mm Silastic capsules) or control castrated male rats. In a second experiment, we bilaterally implanted either ATD-filled or blank cannulae into the medial preoptic area (MPOA) of either T-treated or control castrated male rats. With this more local distribution of ATD, a lesser decline in sexual behavior was found, suggesting that other brain areas are involved in the neurohormonal activation of copulatory behavior in the male rat. To determine whether in vivo ATD interacts with androgen or estrogen receptors, we conducted cell nuclear androgen and estrogen receptor binding assays of hypothalamus, preoptic area, amygdala, and septum following treatment with the combinations of systemic T alone. ATD plus T, ATD alone, and blank control. In all four brain areas binding of T to androgen receptors was significantly decreased in the presence of ATD, suggesting that ATD may act both as an androgen receptor blocker and as an aromatization inhibitor. Competitive binding studies indicated that ATD competes in vitro for cytosol androgen receptors, thus substantiating the in vivo antiandrogenic effects of ATD. Cell nuclear estrogen receptor binding was not significantly increased by exposure to T in the physiological range. No agonistic properties of ATD were observed either behaviorally or biochemically. Thus, an alternative explanation for the inhibitory effects of ATD on male sexual behavior is that ATD prevents T from binding to androgen receptors.
PMID: 2925181 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Effects of ATD on male sexual behavior and androgen receptor binding: a reexamination of the aromatization hypothesis.
Kaplan ME, McGinnis MY.
Department of Anatomy, Mount Sinai School of Medicine, CUNY, New York 10029.
The aromatization hypothesis asserts that testosterone (T) must be aromatized to estradiol (E2) to activate copulatory behavior in the male rat. In support of this hypothesis, the aromatization inhibitor, ATD, has been found to suppress male sexual behavior in T-treated rats. In our experiment, we first replicated this finding by peripherally injecting ATD (15 mg/day) or propylene glycol into T-treated (two 10-mm Silastic capsules) or control castrated male rats. In a second experiment, we bilaterally implanted either ATD-filled or blank cannulae into the medial preoptic area (MPOA) of either T-treated or control castrated male rats. With this more local distribution of ATD, a lesser decline in sexual behavior was found, suggesting that other brain areas are involved in the neurohormonal activation of copulatory behavior in the male rat. To determine whether in vivo ATD interacts with androgen or estrogen receptors, we conducted cell nuclear androgen and estrogen receptor binding assays of hypothalamus, preoptic area, amygdala, and septum following treatment with the combinations of systemic T alone. ATD plus T, ATD alone, and blank control. In all four brain areas binding of T to androgen receptors was significantly decreased in the presence of ATD, suggesting that ATD may act both as an androgen receptor blocker and as an aromatization inhibitor. Competitive binding studies indicated that ATD competes in vitro for cytosol androgen receptors, thus substantiating the in vivo antiandrogenic effects of ATD. Cell nuclear estrogen receptor binding was not significantly increased by exposure to T in the physiological range. No agonistic properties of ATD were observed either behaviorally or biochemically. Thus, an alternative explanation for the inhibitory effects of ATD on male sexual behavior is that ATD prevents T from binding to androgen receptors.
PMID: 2925181 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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Mr.X
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anthony roberts said:
Wasn't macro PMing him trying to keep him from posting his results on the open forums?
I bet macro will try to spin this now. He will insult you, and try to discredit you, instead of facing the reality of AIFM.
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Mr.X
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Guvna said:
AIFM was being sold on the AS forum as something you use instead of all other anti-estrogens. It's being shown here to be nothing more then a marketing trick.
macrophage69alpha
New member
Mr.X said:
triceptor, the member you are referring to. Who anthony invited here, in hopes of using his experience to bolster his claims. Used his own ATD formulation which he believed delivered 60mg of atd per day. thats about 15 times the dose needed for clinical suppression. He used that formulation for over 4 months WITHOUT TAKING ANY GEAR.
please dont pretend to care about his situation, which is not due to AIFM.
what he did was the equivalent of taking 10mg or more of letro for that 3-4 months without taking ANY EXOGENOUS STEROIDS.
so OFF CYCLE taking 10mg of letro a day for 4 months.
give it a rest you cant even grasp the most simple concepts...
macrophage69alpha
New member
DieselGunz,
did you receive any threatening PM's from ulter or myself?
have you recieved anything other than advice, inquiry at to cause and apology on this matter?
did you receive any threatening PM's from ulter or myself?
have you recieved anything other than advice, inquiry at to cause and apology on this matter?
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Mr.X
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macrophage69alpha said:
I don't know but sounds like you wanted to keep things on the down-low, you contacted him member in a PM so he wouldn't post his story. You tried to get all the information so your AIFM wouldn't be hurt in the processes.
The guy went nearly BRAIN DEAD from using a transdermal formula like the AIFM. You can hide the truth all you want, but it's right in front of the members. Your lies and agenda are obviously clouding your judgement.
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DieselGunz
New member
macrophage69alpha said:
No threats
Yes i was told to discontinue use, and when it got worse I went to see a doctor.
AF has been very proff with all my dealings with them, I have no ill feelings towards you or your company as a matter of fact I have always indorsed them for no other reason than the products work.
I had no idea this was going to ge to the point it has, but i have to tell the truth anyone that knows me can tell you I dont want to start trouble.
macrophage69alpha
New member
1. dont work for AF STORE
2. dont own AF STORE
3. Dont own or work for British dragon
4. Read the signature- product development- supplements
5. It is quite fair to say taht because AF carries products in that signature that there is affiliation.
not sure why you would make such claims. Was it your line of thinking by implying association with steroid manufacturers that this would act as a counterpoint for your failed arguments?
the only reason that british dragon is mentioned is because it is well known on the forum, sources who carry it are well known, and because you delete posts about it.
2. dont own AF STORE
3. Dont own or work for British dragon
4. Read the signature- product development- supplements
5. It is quite fair to say taht because AF carries products in that signature that there is affiliation.
not sure why you would make such claims. Was it your line of thinking by implying association with steroid manufacturers that this would act as a counterpoint for your failed arguments?
the only reason that british dragon is mentioned is because it is well known on the forum, sources who carry it are well known, and because you delete posts about it.
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macrophage69alpha said:
1-2: so you are a volunteer at the AF store and CO.? or you just do it for fun. Tell us your financial gain from the member who have been injured by AIFM and went to the emergency room.
4: and???
5: Macro, don't bullshit me, everyone knows you work for the AF store. Stop playing these games macro! Answer questions about AIFM or don't post. Why are members having to go to the emergency room after using this so called "legal" AIFM? I thought you said it was safe
liar!The only failer argument here is yours. You are a liar and a cheat. You lied about the 1% of rashes, blisters and allergic reactions with AIFM, it's now 40% , how about that? You want to lie about something again?
Macro, do you seriously sit there and think anyone believe the things you make up anymore. You are an agenda driven liar, who would do anything to take attention away from himself and AIFM.
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Macro just copied this post to the mod. forum, he doesn't want to answer anyone in the open about AIFM.
macrophage69alpha said:
Your edit to this post was the fact that you posted a link telling me to go look at some pictures - and you posted a ling to the site that's a direct link to BD products - not just AI's you say are cheaper.
You steer people to the site - a site that sells anabolic BG products.
You edited your post - and then mine
You realized that you "slipped-up" and actually had posted a source - as a MOD.
You then sent me a PM saying that what "I" did could get me banned, and you said the reason you posted the site was because "I pushed you into it".....
I'd say that I am done with this
Your actions speak VOLUMES
You're a liar and a sneak
I don't care if i lost a TON of respect during this - I accomplished what i set out to do:
1.) Expose that WAY more people were hurt by your product than you say
2.) Expose that you "push" BD's AI's etc, cause you are actually promoting an AAS site
I know a ton of bro's here can't stand the way I grandstand - but sometimes (when MODS are playing smoke and mirrors behind the scenes) it's the only way to lure them out from behind that curtain.
Agree or disagree - I don't really care.
But I DO care about good bro's health and I DO care about this site.
nuevo laredo
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itlnstln said:
So then, how did you make it to the last line?
Thanks for the mutual respect!
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