Agree/Disagree?

[Phenom78]

So we post on a steroid site, I guess we are all roid abusers.

Phenom has it right, when we start taking away our free speech we have a police state. Many of you PC sheep fail to see it.

Sadly this guy's carrer is already ruined, Heatherrae gave examples why. Despite not making one racist comment or action, that we know of.


Let's make fun of God and Christ, but OMG! OMG! somebody said a racist comment, lets kill him!!!!!!!!!!!

Give me a break.

Exactly

I dont think anyone who has ever posted on an atheist site, especially any that have ever referred to those of faith in a derogatory manner, should be allowed to hold jobs. Certainly any such bias would eventually reflect in their dealings.

 

[boss_]

I am a HUGE advocate of freedom of speech. However, when that freedom interferes with your ability to do your job, I would say that you can be fired at will.

Now, many people have said that unless he actually does an act of racism on the job, he should not be fired. However, I tell you as a former criminal defense attorney, that I would bring up his racists comments every time I represented a minority client who was arrested by him. It would be my duty to examine whether there was actual probable cause or whether he was just acting on prejudice.

Also, think about what would happen if he had to shoot a minority while on the job. The press would be all over the statements on the KKK site and the city could even be thrown into a riot over it.

One more thing. Now that the press has picked up the story, how do you think minorities are going to react when he goes to ask them questions, pull them over, arrest them? If I were in that position, I don't know if I would pull over for this weirdo.

Nah, I think he should know that posting on a KKK site would get him in hot water and is jeapordizing his effectiveness as a cop. Cops are entrusted to serve and protect. He can't be trusted in this position after exercising such bad judgment. He should eitehr be fired or given a harmless desk job.

Sure, you could bring up his comments in every case you tried, and the judge would get tired of your shit in short order. If this officer had been caught LYING or some other form of misconduct, you have a point. Since it is the law that keeps him in his job to begin with, you don't.

I'm not familiar with this case, and don't know all the facts, except for what was quoted in this thread. I'm sure since you are a "former criminal defense attorney" you do...

Hope you sleep well at night, btw...

 

[Longhorn85]

I agree also. Phenom said it best - If he decides to display concrete acts of racism or discrimination on his job, or hate crimes and such off the job, then we have a problem.

Ditto

 

[heatherrae]

Sure, you could bring up his comments in every case you tried, and the judge would get tired of your shit in short order. If this officer had been caught LYING or some other form of misconduct, you have a point. Since it is the law that keeps him in his job to begin with, you don't.

I'm not familiar with this case, and don't know all the facts, except for what was quoted in this thread. I'm sure since you are a "former criminal defense attorney" you do...

Hope you sleep well at night, btw...

yeah, I sleep just fine at night. I have a duty to bring up racial bias of an arresting officer if there is evidence of such. Whether the judge got "tired of my shit" or not is just too bad. He or she would have to determine the admissibility of the comments, and rule according to the defendants constitutional rights. So, no, I don't feel bad at all bringing up potential defenses and letting the jury decide. I, evidently unlike you, believe in our justice system and protecting people's rights.

 

[Dial_tone]

I think he can pretty much bank on the notion that anytime he has to testify in a trial against a minority the opposing lawyer will bring this up; should be interesting.

 

[jnevin]

I enjoy telling racist people that Jesus was a Jew and that Jesus wasn't a white man at all.

Funny part about that is quite a few people, and the mormon religion as a whole think that jesus was white, and that's part of what made him special.

I wish I was kidding when I said that.

 

[jnevin]

Exactly

I dont think anyone who has ever posted on an atheist site, especially any that have ever referred to those of faith in a derogatory manner, should be allowed to hold jobs. Certainly any such bias would eventually reflect in their dealings.

That's a two way street. Someone posting on a faith based website could have their views cloud their judgment when dealing with different faiths or people of no faith. It happens all the time here in UT. I had a builder drop me because he found out I'm not mormon. He flat out told me he felt more comfortable doing business with "someone that shared his values and had the same upbringing". aap has repeatedly said people are going to hell for their beliefs, how is that unbiased?

Hell, the website the cop was posting on called themselves a christian site. I know that's not christian behavior, but you get someone like Lestat pulled over by a bible thumper that posts on how hw thinks the world should be, and there's a potential issue.

This whole thing would be a non-issue if it was a hispanic cop posting on a mexican nationalistic site, a black cop posting on a black panther or nation of islam site, or a female cop posting on the lifetime channel chat board .

 

[Phenom78]

That's a two way street. Someone posting on a faith based website could have their views cloud their judgment when dealing with different faiths or people of no faith. It happens all the time here in UT. I had a builder drop me because he found out I'm not mormon. He flat out told me he felt more comfortable doing business with "someone that shared his values and had the same upbringing". aap has repeatedly said people are going to hell for their beliefs, how is that unbiased?

Hell, the website the cop was posting on called themselves a christian site. I know that's not christian behavior, but you get someone like Lestat pulled over by a bible thumper that posts on how hw thinks the world should be, and there's a potential issue.

This whole thing would be a non-issue if it was a hispanic cop posting on a mexican nationalistic site, a black cop posting on a black panther or nation of islam site, or a female cop posting on the lifetime channel chat board .

My pointy exactly. It's a stupid practice altogether.

And how do we go about administering it?

Have people sign swron statements about everything they've ever said or thought prior to gaining employment?

Do we then prosecute anyone who lied on the application?

1) Have you ever made any derogatory comments about women? If yes please list each seperately and explain why?

Well...uh...I called my gf a bitch once when we got in a fight. I also called her a dirty whore during sex multiple times.

Uhm...I once said women were lousy drivers, but I was just kidding. It was a joke...really...

 

[jnevin]

My pointy exactly. It's a stupid practice altogether.

And how do we go about administering it?

Have people sign swron statements about everything they've ever said or thought prior to gaining employment?

Do we then prosecute anyone who lied on the application?

1) Have you ever made any derogatory comments about women? If yes please list each seperately and explain why?

Well...uh...I called my gf a bitch once when we got in a fight. I also called her a dirty whore during sex multiple times.

Uhm...I once said women were lousy drivers, but I was just kidding. It was a joke...really...

I think the olny sane solution is to lobotomize anyone that will ever deal with anyone at any time in their life.

 

[Y_lifter]

Having a job with nearly limitless power over the public, with no one
to watch over them when on the street etc. I believe the question of him being
able to do his Job as unbiased as possible is an issue here.

A cop or goverment official is Expected to have a higher level of ethical and moral repute as compared to other jobs due to this power over the public.
Not saying many don't have issues, but when it is recognised that they have an issue, action should be taken to remove or limit their ability to use that power.