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[jnevin]

Apparently you haven't heard of "hate crimes." LoL You know, where if you think bad thoughts while killing someone, you get extra time in the joint. Well, it's OK to think bad thoughts about certain races while killing them, you just can't think bad thoughts about the "favored" races while killing them.

Otherwise that's considered a "love murder".

 

[Phenom78]

Apparently you haven't heard of "hate crimes." LoL You know, where if you think bad thoughts while killing someone, you get extra time in the joint. Well, it's OK to think bad thoughts about certain races while killing them, you just can't think bad thoughts about the "favored" races while killing them.

LOL

Who do you think you're talking to bra?

Those should be abolished as well. Stupidest thing ever enacted.

And what is the punishment anyway? If you kill someone we'll give you the chair twice? If punishments are not prohibitive enough for violent crimes, then raise them across the boards.

The entire notion that killing, injuring, or raping someone is somehow less "offensive" depending on the predisposition of the perp towards that persons race or gender is absurd.
"Yeah Im gonna kill you, then rape your wife and daughters, but I hope you will be comforted by the fact that I'm only doing so because I don't care for you on an individual level, and not because of your ethnicity."

 

[Protobuilder]

LoL @ phenom. I guess my sarcasm didn't come through. We're on the same page.

It's offensive to me that the person's thoughts make one iota of difference when committing some brutal crime. I'm pretty sure that smashing someone's head in w/ a brick is a hate crime, regardless if you love race or not. LoL But to say "hating group X" is worthy of an extra 10 years in jail . . . that's a VERY dangerous slope.

 

[pdaddy]

"I fucking hate cops. They are crooked mother fuckers".

Now THAT is some funny shit. I guess blatant stereotyping is the order of the day.

What most people have failed to realize is that every human being holds some form of bias, based on real-life experiences. For this there is no "higher standard". So that's a bullshit statement. As far as black racist cops, etc. Here's the deal: MOST blacks are racist. So they should not be allowed to serve the public? Ridiculous. There's a big difference between someone's personal views and their ability to effectively perform public service. Do some take advantage of it? Certainly. But their track records will fuck them down the road.

I personally don't care for ghetto gangsta blacks or illegal mexicans. But in the heat of battle, I have laid my life on the line to save and protect them. So I can personally attest to the difference. Wanna hate people? Try a job in public service.

Lol, what an ignorant thing to say. I work in public service as well and it has only made me more empathetic towards those that might be considered to recieve the blunt of racism or a bias. A weak person would allow a specific subculture to evoke hate or resentment and a weak person would also use their occupation as an excuse to think less of another. Your frame of thinking only makes thing worse.

 

[Dial_tone]

If I'm not mistaken, the wire tapping only applies to call coming from outside the U.S. Different rules apply. It's like customs for calls in a sense.

Unfortunately, you are mistaken.

In his New Year's Day remarks, Bush further misled the public, by insisting that his warrantless wiretaps only involved communications from suspicious individuals abroad who were contacting people in the United States, a policy that would be legal. Bush said the eavesdropping was “limited to calls from outside the United States to calls within the United States.”

But Bush’s explanation was at odds with what his own administration had previously admitted to journalists – that the wiretaps also covered calls originating in the United States, which require warrants from a special court created by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978.

The White House soon “clarified” Bush’s remarks to acknowledge that his warrantless wiretaps did, indeed, involve communications originating in the United States

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/010206.html

 

[Phenom78]

Unfortunately, you are mistaken.

LOL

In other words, only international calls, as stated earlier.

 

[Dial_tone]

LOL

In other words, only international calls, as stated earlier.

Let's see. Habib in Pakhistan calls Mohammed in Jersey. Some thereafter Mohammed in Jersey calls Akhbar in Philly....I can see that call being tapped very easily.

 

[Phenom78]

Let's see. Habib in Pakhistan calls Mohammed in Jersey. Some thereafter Mohammed in Jersey calls Akhbar in Philly....I can see that call being tapped very easily.

I can see Akhbar in turn calling space aliens. That doesn't make it so.

There is not even a credible accusation of domesticv wiretapping, never mind evidence of such.

After years of accusing Bush of orchestrating a plot to out Valerie Plame, only to find out it was one of your own who did so, don't you think its about time that you guys have some actual evidence prior to running off at the mouth for years about yet another soon to be discredited conspiracy?

 

[Dial_tone]

And by "you guys" you mean anybody who says anything even remotely construed as anti-Bush?....because FYI, I do vote Republican 70% of the time. I just don't buy everything the party spits out just because the other side has to be our enemy.

 

[Phenom78]

And by "you guys" you mean anybody who says anything even remotely construed as anti-Bush?....because FYI, I do vote Republican 70% of the time. I just don't buy everything the party spits out just because the other side has to be our enemy.

I mean you guys with your non ending stream of unsubstantiated conspiracy theories.

Then once they are proven false you just invent another.

How much of the national debate, with so many hugely important issues of merit to discuss, has been wasted on this garbage?