Aggressive weight loss plan

[cyrex]

I think I'll take the plunge on Sunday.

I've done a TON of research. Actually considered doing this 2.5 years ago or so but decided not to after reading these forums (i don't thin I was a member back then). But now I think I'm old enough. I know I have the dedications and seriousness, my diet is satisfactory right now and shouldn't take much modifications to hit where I need to be with it. I realize I could probably wait and make decent gains without, but I'd rather make those gains sooner and see how it goes.

I'm curious to see how it will go, how much muscle I'll gain. Will i gain more fat, lose more fat? How much of my gains will I keep? etc
None of this info can be certain until I do it so here I go . . .

 

[SgtSlaughter]

Yes you have... I know you're well read on the topics you will decide to pursue, it should be quite the experiment!! I can't wait to!! but not for awhile probably... Have you thought about keeping a journal in the "My Steriod Cycle" for it? (please do )

 

[cyrex]

I have considered it I probably will
i'm working on my program so hopefully I'll have it up and running before I'm half way through the cycle..


As of now I'm about 85% sure I'm gonna start on Sunday night. I'm pretty excited about it. I realize I could wait a bit, but then again using gear is really cheating in the sense that we are breaking the rules to gain an advantage over everyone else. So if you are going to cheat, when do you cheat? I say you cheat whenever you feel that the act of cheating WILL actually give you an advantage over not cheating. I think I'm to the point where I will be able to benefit from going on a cycle. Do I think it is the most efficient use of my gear? no definitely not. But what do I have to lose if I do everything by the book? Some money. I'm prepared to lose some money if this doesn't work. Of course I'm prepared for a lot of things:
Getting caught and the legal implications
Getting an infection
Permanently ruining my natural testosterone production
Injuring tendons and/or ligaments
Acne
Hair Loss
Excess hair growth
muscle soreness at injection spots
Getting FUCKING HUGE
Getting Strong as an OX
etc etc

I know all the risks.
I know all the benefits.

I think it's definitely time to put my research to the test.

I'm especially intrigued because I have always had a natural interest in biology, chemistry, endochrinology, and other sciences since I was very young. Had I not gotten a computer when I was 5 years old and had a 4th grade teacher that taught me how to write programs in BASIC on an Apple II I probably would have gone to med school and gone into medicine.

I'm not scared of the needles or injections. When I got my bloodwork done a few weeks ago I almost asked the nurse if I could draw the blood myself just for fun! haha

anyways I do have a thread here if you haven't seen it:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=452718

I was asking for some input on my diet, but I wasn't really able to give a good typical day of what I eat. For the most part lately I've been eating boiled eggs (usually 1 whole and 3 or 4 just the white), or Cheerios or Kashi All Bran for breakfast

a couple more eggs for 2nd meal + some shaved turkey


Lunch which will consist of either shaved turkey and provolone cheese, baked or grilled chicken, brown rice, steamed broccoli, a handfull of raw baby carrots, or a sweet potato. (of course I don't eat all of this, but approximately 500 calories worth of food made up from things like those listed here)

Meal 3 is typically a muslce milk shake (about 300-400 calories depending on how thick I make it)

Meal 4 has typically been whatever I had leftover from lunch

Meal 5 or 6 is dinner which is similar to lunch but I mix it up with steak, hamurger, fish, stirfry with chicken or sirloin.

then a protein shake usually postworkout or before bed depending on if I workout that day

Dinners for the last 3 nights have been the following

Wed: Garlic chicken with brocolli and some green onions and brown rice with low sodium soy sauce for seasoning.

Thurs: My own creation (mix of brocolli beef and mongolian beef)
Sirloin steak cut up into small bite sized pieces stirfried with brocolli, green onion and mushroom, using a soy sauce, beef stalk, red wine sauce that I came up with. Some crushed red pepper, garlic and a dash of sesame oil. Served on brown rice. This was absolutely amazing. Best meal I have had in a LONG time.

Tonight: I've gotta go to a local pizza place to take my wife and her sister (visiting) so I'm not sure what I'm gonna eat there. I might just take 2 glucorell and have a slice or two of whatever they order. Speaking of that I'm gonna post a new thread about that in the diet section

 

[SgtSlaughter]

You're going to be ...


ishly HUGE in a few months! You'll do well for sure bro. Hopefully the beefed up metabolism will burn off plenty of fat too and you'll be all set for summer!

I know what you mean about being interested from a young age about basically the medical field. I've pondered with the idea many times about switching out of finance to it... it's just so damn interesting I love it!!! But I guess that's why EF came into my life lol

Oh yeah... I posted in that link! haha.

So are you going to have HCG on hand... in case your nuts are the size of chick peas? (as well as the Test. reason, to bring back up to "par" quickly)

 

[cyrex]

HCG is the one thing I do not have on hand and would kinda like to get a hold of not for planned use necessarily, but incase I do notice some dramatic shrinkage. Kinda tough to get when your source goes AWOL, anyways that's another discussion for another time and at another place

 

[SgtSlaughter]

Yeah just in case would be good... OH It's SUNDAY, did you shoot your first yet?!?!
haha, i know exactly what you mean!! I almost decided to place an order, damn glad I held off!

 

[cyrex]

Not yet
Not gonna do it until my wife goes to bed

 

[SgtSlaughter]

Not yet
Not gonna do it until my wife goes to bed

hahaha, oh boy... ok. Good luck

 

[SgtSlaughter]

bumpety, BUMP.

So regarding your diet: Would you say you are eating "maintenance," "bulk," or "reducing calories?"

I know you want to gain muscle and loose fat (as we all want to ) Just curious as to how your diet is especially with adding some Test to the mix!

 

[cyrex]

Not sure at the moment really. Still eating the same types of food, but I haven't tallied up the calories for a few days. I really need to. My guess is i'm under maintenance right now, but when I get a chance to tally them up, I'll readjust to get to maintenance (not including my workouts) for the rest of this week. Then I will bump it up about 200 calories a week until I'm done with my cycle. Hopefully that will allow me to lose a little more fat from my working out energy expenditure, and get to a point where as I'm feeling the effects of the test, bump up the caloric intake to a point where I can grow some nice lean muscle.

I've asked a few questions on here to this effect:

"Is it good to start a Test E only cycle with a 'cutting diet' and ramp up to a bulking diet to finish it off since test e takes about 4 weeks to kick in."

I've gotten some negative responses from some vets on this one, but I don't they were backed by experience or anything scientific, but only habit of beginning day 1 with the same diet you will follow till the last day of your cycle. I feel pretty comfortable with my scientific background and it seems to make perfect sense that eating just a little below maintenance at the beginning of a cycle will allow you to lose some fat without much muscle loss (very little cardio), and by ramping up calories to bulk, allow your body to get used to the extra calories slow enough, and once the test kicks in you make some lean gains and at a minimum, if you gain fat you will only gain what you lost in the beginning with a net gain of nearly 100% muscle.


Example numbers

Weight 250
BF 15%
LBM 212.5
Let's assume a 16 week cycle start to PCT (8 weeks on Test E with 4 weeks of PCT starting 2 weeks after last shot)
Let's assume maintenance is 250x12 = 3000 calories
Let's assume workout 5 days/week burning 700 calories extra per day
Let's assume the end result is 15 lbs of muscle gained between weeks 4-12. avg 2 lb/week.
Let's assume only fat is lost and no muscle is gained for weeks 1-4
We will start week 1 at 2400 calories and incrementing 150Cal/day every week up until week 10 then on week 11 we will decrement 150Cal/day every week until PCT
Week 1 of cycle eating 2400 calories on average per day
After week 1: we lose 1.4 lbs of fat

Extrapolate this to week 10 and we have these stats:
Weight 258.3lbs 14%bf 10 lbs of MUSCLE gained 1.71 lbs of FAT LOST

Week 16:
Weight 265.6lbs 14%bf 16 lbs of MUSCLE gained 0.40 lbs of Fat Gained


I've got a nice excel spreadsheet that has all of this, but here are the trends I see:

Fat
At week 6 we have a peak fat loss of 3.74 lbs (33.76 lbs of fat) then we start gaining some fat.
At week 11-12 we are right were we started with fat lbs, but we've gained muscle so this is ok. By week 16, we've netted a gain of .4 lbs of fat ending up at 37.10 lbs of body fat from 37.5 lbs of body fat dipping as low as 33.76 lbs of body fat

Explanation on fat levels:
There is a big caloric deficit to start and then we even out to maintenance around week 4-5 (perfect timing)
We get to a max caloric surplus around week 10 (great cause this is the last day of peak test levels).
We then go back down to week 16 to a caloric deficit of 337 calories per day to shed off some of the fat gained during the cycle.


Muscle:
We don't start growing muscle at all until during week 4-5. This is for 2 reasons. 1) we are at a natural plateau as everyone is when they use steroids :wink: and 2) because we have a caloric deficit in our diet.

Assuming we gain 16 lbs of muscle between weeks 4 and 8 (when testosterone levels are high and we have a caloric surplus) this increases our daily maintenance rate since we now have more muscle that needs fuel but we are still increasing calories to week 10 and continue with a caloric surplus up until week 13-14 where it finally dips below [new] maintenance.

From start to finish on our pyramid diet we have gained 16 lbs of VERY LEAN muscle. Only .4 lbs of fat gained in a 16 week period.

Total weight going from 250 lbs to 265.6 and body fat dropping a full 1%