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cyrex

cyrex

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Here are my results of bloodtests:

TSH: 3.01 uIU/ml
Testoster Tot: 528.5 ng/dL
Free Test: 18.9 pg/ml
T4: 9.6 ug/dl
T3 Total: 206.6 ng/dL
Glucose Level 89 mg/dL
Cholesterol: 172 mg/dL
Triglycerid: 86 mg/dL
HDL: 34 mg/dL
Cholesterol/HDL Ratio 5.1 mg/dL
Appearance: Clear
LDLC: 121 mg/dL


So anything here that I should be weary of?

I think the T3 Total seems a little high. Would that mean I should be burning fat faster than normal (cause I've dropped 10 lbs in the last 3 weeks when I got my food intake back to normal (from holidays).
Could taking t-rex cause that?

Here is the cycle info:

I'm down to 20% bf right now and will start it as soon as I drop another 10 lbs of fat which should be in 3 weeks or so. I'm 6'4" 260 lbs right now but will be around 250 when I start hopefully around 17-18% bf.

My diet will be right at maintenance assuming 1g protein per lb of body fat +another 100g protein so only about 400 Cal over maintenance.

Goal: gain/retain 20 lbs muscle when it is done. Assuming no fat loss and not much gain (due to fairly low Cal intake) This should bring me down another 2% or so on the BF.

I'll be supplementing with Sesapure (so my relatively low cals don't hinder muscle gain).


Cycle:
Test E 250mg 2x/wk for 10-12 weeks (depending on how it's going and what ya'll recommend)
l-dex 1mg ED (keep bloat down)

Nolva PCT

Also I have 5 ml of Test 250 QV(sust). I don't plan on ever getting more of it and would not want to waste it. Any negatives on stacking this with the Test E? and how should i do it?
250 sust + 250 en 2x/week? (i'm thinking no)
125 sust + 125 en 2x/week? (maybe)
250 sust M | 250 en Th till the sust runs out (maybe?)
250 en 2x/week and toss the sust in the garbage (uhh.. I hope not)


So.... recommendations?




Also, I'm entertaining the idea of doing some IGF-1 starting 1 week after the cycle ends for 4 weeks to help keep gains and cut a bit afterwards.

Any thoughts on that?
 
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Hey i'm just reporting the numbers given to me from the nurse... apparently she has a throat ruler.


Seriously though I just tossed that in there to see who would ask first
 
bump..

Blood look ok (appears normal from my POV)?

Cycle look ok?

What should i do with the Sust?
 
It is non optimal but I would personally do option 3 sus M enan TH till sus runs out. Are you gyno prone and do you tend to hold a shitload of water? The reason why I ask is I personally only run l-dex @.5mg eod when doing 500 mg of test/wk. So 1 mg ED is 4x the amt that I take...seems very high for the amt of gear you are running

I just used IGF post cycle myself. I liked it but in all honesty I could have spent my $$$ better.

Do you have PCT lined up?

Last question...is that erect or flacid?
 
I still think you should take Clomid and or HCG during PCT

try this:

7 days after Last shot start HCG with Nolva

HCG @ 2000 ius every 4th day for 4 shots
Nolva 30 mgs a day during that time

Then on the last Shot of HCG Begin Clomid

Run Clomid for 30 more days and Nolva as well

Nolva at 30-20 mgs
Clomid at around 75-50 mgs
 
axe3 said:
It is non optimal but I would personally do option 3 sus M enan TH till sus runs out. Are you gyno prone and do you tend to hold a shitload of water? The reason why I ask is I personally only run l-dex @.5mg eod when doing 500 mg of test/wk. So 1 mg ED is 4x the amt that I take...seems very high for the amt of gear you are running

I just used IGF post cycle myself. I liked it but in all honesty I could have spent my $$$ better.

Do you have PCT lined up?

Last question...is that erect or flacid?
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The arimidex is a new addition. I don't know if i'm prone to gyno or not (first cycle). .5mg eod sounds fine also. I just know that I'm kinda higher bf at the moment and want to minimize bloat
 
OMEGA said:
I still think you should take Clomid and or HCG during PCT

try this:

7 days after Last shot start HCG with Nolva

HCG @ 2000 ius every 4th day for 4 shots
Nolva 30 mgs a day during that time

Then on the last Shot of HCG Begin Clomid

Run Clomid for 30 more days and Nolva as well

Nolva at 30-20 mgs
Clomid at around 75-50 mgs
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I'll research this. Thank you for the info.


Any advice on what to do with the sust?
 
Originally planned PCT:

14 days after last shot
40mg Nolva ED for 3 week
20mg Nolva ED for 1 week

Do i need to add HCG and clomid? one or the other?
If I add HCG, doesn't when I start taking it depend on if i do 10 wk or 12 wk cycle?
 
I see 3 options...run the sust 1st 5wks or last 5 or 1/2c all 10wks. I dotn think the 1/2c/wk would really benefit u at all really. id go 1st 5wks so ud get a good boost at the start of cycle.
 
"The most important aspect of recovery is getting testicular mass back to normal as quickly as possible. There is only one drug that will do this and do it quickly--HCG. HCG imitates LH (which is suppressed). HCG acts independently of the HPTA suppression and independent of the meds from the AAS cycle. In this situation, the only side effect we need to worry about is the return of estrogen to normal levels (estrogen rebound). Since estrogen is already at very low levels (the athlete used an aromatase inhibitor during his AAS cycle), Nolvadex is sufficient to block the onrush. By the time the athlete is using nolvadex-only, his testes are up to their normal size. And the pituitary begins to release its own LH." - DrJMW


Example: Your gonadjules become the realitive size of peanuts. Shoot the HCG to bring them back up to par / help your own T levels come back up). I've heard of people using HCG during to keep their balls normal size while being "on" also.

On the other hand HCG also seems to be a staple of PCT. When substituting your own Test levels and raising them very high, instead of hitting a Very low... low; HCG will help raise your test levels up much quicker than.... well anything else.

HCG can be administered via subcutaneous rather than intramuscular to give yourself a break from shooting deep.

Good luck Cy! :coffee:
 
cyrex said:
Here are my results of bloodtests:

Penis Length (from top to tip): 6.25 inches :qt:

So anything here that I should be weary of?
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WTF?! yeah, why are your posting your size on EF?
 
cyrex said:
I'm down to 20% bf right now and will start it as soon as I drop another 10 lbs of fat which should be in 3 weeks or so. I'm 6'4" 260 lbs right now but will be around 250 when I start hopefully around 17-18% bf.
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I wouldn't start your cycle until you're down to 10-12% bodyfat. You have a long way to go with dialing-in your diet before you consider AS.
 
Mr.X said:
I wouldn't start your cycle until you're down to 10-12% bodyfat. You have a long way to go with dialing-in your diet before you consider AS.
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I greatly respect your advice and I understand that starting below 14% bf is ideal. I will give it serious consideration, but from the posts I see of many other people on this board, and I'm sure you are aware of it, it's tough knowing that strength-wise I'm currently at the top of my game and gaining even 15 lbs of lean muscle will help reduce my BF. I'd actually like to stay over 250 lbs and not dip below that mark to get to 10-12% bf.

My diet has been dialed in for well over a year and for only about a 8 months period before that it wasn't. Right now I'm doing squats 75 lbs more than I was before my knee injury, deadlifts 100 lbs more and benching 50 lbs more. My bf is about 2% higher than before my injury, but my LBM is almost 15 lbs more also.

At this point, I'm worried more about gaining strength than anything, and along with what I stated above about not wanting to drop below 250 lbs (mma reasons). I'm hoping that after this cycle I'll still be under 265 but as close it as possible.
 
hey bro... just keep in mind these are all reccomendations.

Certainly you'll see better results quicker with being <= 10% bf

I definetly understand why you want to dive in. More muscle = more calories burnt at rest and you're hopeing it'll lower bf and gain muscle obviously.

You're going to do what you want to do.

Do it safely and post results! :)



Disclaimer: AAS should be administered and perscribed by a medical professional. Use as directed
 
cyrex said:
I greatly respect your advice and I understand that starting below 14% bf is ideal. I will give it serious consideration, but from the posts I see of many other people on this board, and I'm sure you are aware of it, it's tough knowing that strength-wise I'm currently at the top of my game and gaining even 15 lbs of lean muscle will help reduce my BF. I'd actually like to stay over 250 lbs and not dip below that mark to get to 10-12% bf.

My diet has been dialed in for well over a year and for only about a 8 months period before that it wasn't. Right now I'm doing squats 75 lbs more than I was before my knee injury, deadlifts 100 lbs more and benching 50 lbs more. My bf is about 2% higher than before my injury, but my LBM is almost 15 lbs more also.

At this point, I'm worried more about gaining strength than anything, and along with what I stated above about not wanting to drop below 250 lbs (mma reasons). I'm hoping that after this cycle I'll still be under 265 but as close it as possible.
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since you have your diet dialed-in, post your diet here; let me take a look at it. Training /cardio /rest also.
 
Mr.X said:
since you have your diet dialed-in, post your diet here; let me take a look at it. Training /cardio /rest also.
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Compound exercises: 1 warm-up set at a relatively low weight (usually around 135) then 4 sets of 8 at a weight where I have trouble getting the last 2 reps of the last 2 sets done.

Everything else: unless otherwise noted I do 3 sets of about 6 to 8 reps to failure with forced reps when possible. Usually picking 2-3 exercises per muscle depending on day/availability of machines/dumbells/benches

Training (6 day cycle):
Day 1: Legs: 5 min run, Squat, Deadlift, Leg curls, Leg press, leg extensions

Day 2: Flat Dumbell Press, Dumbell Fly, Decline or Incline dumbell press, Tris: dips + (mix of pressdowns, pullovers, nosebreakers, rope pulldowns, close grip bench press with ezcurl bar) 35 min cardio (typically 4.0mph treadmill at 6 degree slope)

Day 3: Lat pulldowns, Bent over row (dumbell or barbell), seated row, inclined row, incline dumbel curls, preacher curls, barbell curls, cable curls.

Day 4: Military Press (behind and front neck), Front raises (cable or dumbell), Upright rows, shrugs, lateral raises (cable or dumbell), calf raises (3 sets of 50), abs (knee lifts, 5 sets holding L lever till failure, buterflys and a number of various exercises we do for wrestling and jui jitsu)

Day 5: 35 min cardio (typically recumbant bike or medium slope fast paced walk)

Day 6: Rest

From now till June: Jui Jitsu every Tuesday night which usually consists of light jogging, some sparring, and various floor movements.

I stretch for 10-20 minutes before and after each workout.

I try to get to sleep by 10:30 (don't sometimes when I have a late night due to work, but that has died down dramatically in the last 2 months and will be completely done in 2 weeks). I wake up at 6:45a.m. ED except weekends which is usually around 7:30-8:00

Been on this program for about 1.5 months now. I could go into the details of the one I was on before if you would like as well.

Diet coming next:
 
nuevo laredo said:
Come on Mr.X, it's one of the standard parameters on the Comprehensive Wellness Profile.
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Diet:

Not sure how specific you want me to be? Would you like an example of what I eat over the course of the day? A list of things that I do eat? Just numbers?

6'4"
257.5 lbs
24 years old

I try to get about 2400-2500 calories per day

Weekdays
Protein: 300g
Carbs: 90g
Fat: 100g

Weekend
Protein Weekend: 300g
Carbs: 180g
Fat: 60g

Protein Sources: Chicken, turkey, 96% lean ground beef, eggs (1:3 ratio of whole to whites), sunflower seeds, orange roughy, tuna, sirloin steak, cheeses listed below
Fat Sources: Butter, olive oil, cheese (low fat mozerella, provolone, aged white cheddar, low fat cottage cheese), nuts, meats above, peanut butter
Carb sources: Whole wheat bread, Cereal, whole grain pastas, brown rice, barley, carrots, broccoli, romaine lettuce, tomatos, sweet potatos/yams, mushrooms, green peppers, green onions, Sugar Free Jello

MRP shakes to fill in when needed.

Obviously a few of these fall into different categories so place them where you like.

I love to cook, so I make a lot of my own food usually. I typically eat about 4-6 meals per day depending on how busy it is with work (how late I leave).

I drink at least 12 bottles of water a day (.5 liter bottles) along with drinks from fountains at the gym during workouts. So somewhere between 1.5-2 gallons per day.

I never drink soda, eat fast food, or junk food. I almost never have more than 600 calories in a meal and usually not more than 500.

I do munch on sunflower seeds throughout the day from time to time. I run through about 100 calories worth during the day if I'm eating them.

This is my base diet as far as maintenance and consists of almost everything I ever eat.

If I take my wife out to eat I will typically order the leanest steak they have with broccoli. I'm not a big fan of baked goods like dinner rolls or special breads, so they aren't even tempting to me.

In the past 3 months, to drop weight I've just been lowering my carb intake during the week a little extra and doing more cardio.

This has been working very well for me, but I'm always open to suggestions.
 
cyrex said:
Diet:

Not sure how specific you want me to be? Would you like an example of what I eat over the course of the day? A list of things that I do eat? Just numbers?
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I want a list of times you eat and what you eat (amounts and all).

example:

7pm - meal 1: a whole chicken
10pm - meal 2: 12 oz. steak + 1 cup veggies
etc....

what are your goals by the way?
 
My goals are to stay between 250 and 270 (able to get down to 265 from excess water for mma fights) and get down to 12% bf in the next year.

For this cycle. I'd like to stay below 270, gain 15+lbs of muscle. Increase strength as much as possible (specifically in chest, triceps, neck, and hips) and lower BF by 2% or more (with combination of some fat loss and muscle gain).
 
CRAP!
i just spent about 5 minutes typing up HALF of what I ate yesterday and firefox froze! grrr
i gotta reboot.
 
K Mr. X ;-) I would like your help and recommendations on how to setup my diet.
The last 3 weeks or so I've basically just been eating things off that list with no rhyme or reason, just making sure I eat enough but not too much for 5-6 meals a day. Here is what I had yesterday:


meal 1: 7:00a.m. 2 bananas (requirement for me to take t-rex), 3 slices of oven roasted turkey breast + 1 very thin slice of provolone cheese

meal 2: 10:00a.m. MRP shake 220 Cal (21g Protien, 9g Carb, 12g Fat) + 2 slices of oven roasted turkey breast

meal 3: 12:30p.m. 1/4 lb Turkey + 2 slices of provolone cheese (I didn't have anything prepared so I just grabbed the bags of cheese and turkey i got from the deli :-)

Meal 4: 3:00p.m. Rest of the turkey (little under 1/4 lb), Rest of the cheese (2 slices)

Snack: 5:35p.m. 1 prepackaged cup of Sugar Free Jello (10 calories)

Meal 5: 9:00p.m. 3 egg omelette: chopped mushrooms, 1 link of 93% lean sausage, 3 pinches (about 3Tbsp) of mexican cheese (mix of cheddar and jack) and 2 sausage links.


The sausage was about to expire and not something I normally use in omelettes, typically my omelletes will have mushrooms and cheese without meat or sometimes I'll use a lean/sugar free canadian bacon
 
Could you please hook me up with a suggestion on a plan to follow to meat my goals (with or without any roids)

I want to get stronger, lose fat, and stay at the same way give/take 10 lbs over the course of the next 12 weeks

After 12 weeks, I'll re-assess goals and we can go from there ;-)
 
cyrex said:
K Mr. X ;-) I would like your help and recommendations on how to setup my diet.
The last 3 weeks or so I've basically just been eating things off that list with no rhyme or reason, just making sure I eat enough but not too much for 5-6 meals a day. Here is what I had yesterday:


meal 1: 7:00a.m. 2 bananas (requirement for me to take t-rex)Why is this a requirement to take t-rex? I just take mine with whatever I eat. , 3 slices of oven roasted turkey breast + 1 very thin slice of provolone cheese
You need some good carbs in the morning. Try oatmeal and cottage cheese.

meal 2: 10:00a.m. MRP shake 220 Cal (21g Protien, 9g Carb, 12g Fat) + 2 slices of oven roasted turkey breast
This one is pretty good. What's up with all the turkey slices?

meal 3: 12:30p.m. 1/4 lb Turkey + 2 slices of provolone cheese (I didn't have anything prepared so I just grabbed the bags of cheese and turkey i got from the deli :-)
More cheese, you eat a lot of cheese it seems. It took me a while, but I cut cheeses out totally. Felt like a drug crash for a while, but now I can barely eat cheese. Here I would probably go with a good lean meat, brown rice and maybe a small salad would be pretty good.

Meal 4: 3:00p.m. Rest of the turkey (little under 1/4 lb), Rest of the cheese (2 slices)
For me, this is my smallest meal. This meal usually consists of a small steak and some brown rice, but if you just had brown rice for lunch you might want something else. The reason for the rice for me is I workout right at about 4 everyday.

Snack: 5:35p.m. 1 prepackaged cup of Sugar Free Jello (10 calories)
Here I would make this another meal. Cut the jello. You eat a lot of turkey(on this day anyway), but turkey is always a good dinner choice. No carbs and lots of protein, chicken would be good also. Leanest red meat possible if you choose it. Just make this your dinner and into another meal.

Meal 5: 9:00p.m. 3 egg omelette: chopped mushrooms, 1 link of 93% lean sausage, 3 pinches (about 3Tbsp) of mexican cheese (mix of cheddar and jack) and 2 sausage links.
My last "meal" of the day is always a big casein protein shake. I swear by casein protein. I love the stuff. Been doing 70g of casein protein at 9-930 for a few months now and I have trimmed up good. Probably not just this, but it sure helped.

The sausage was about to expire and not something I normally use in omelettes, typically my omelletes will have mushrooms and cheese without meat or sometimes I'll use a lean/sugar free canadian bacon
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Just eat boiled eggs whites. All the good, none of the bad.
 
cause Mr. X said he would post to it but he asked me the URL of the thread and I PMed it to him 3 times he kept 'not seeing it' lol


THANK YOU Stacemranger...

The bananas have Potassium for some reason if I eat something without potassium and take t-rex i get nauseous.
I've been eating Kashi whole grain cereal with 1g sugar LOTS of dietary fiber
I have whole rolled oats on hand too but haven't had any for a week or two. Got cottage cheese to just don't eat it during breakfast

hehe that day that i posted all I had available was a bag of shaved turkey from the deli :-)

Also I forgot on that day to post what time I worked out...
I leave for the office at 7:30. I get done at 5:00 and am home by 6. I gotta let the dog out play with her a bit and then go work out. There isn't enough time between getting home and working out to prepare a meal so I have to eat dinner after I workout. Maybe Is hould start working out later?
 
I've decided to go ahead and take the plunge Starting tomorrow night!
I've got my BF down a little lower than I was hoping I would and I have all the info and supplies I need to get started.
Like I've said in other threads. I realize that I may not be using the gear in the most efficient way, but I do believe that it will help me make gains I could not have made without it.
 
cyrex said:
I've decided to go ahead and take the plunge Starting tomorrow night!
I've got my BF down a little lower than I was hoping I would and I have all the info and supplies I need to get started.
Like I've said in other threads. I realize that I may not be using the gear in the most efficient way, but I do believe that it will help me make gains I could not have made without it.
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well bro i will say good luck and keep us posted on how things go, good or bad.....sometimes ya just have to try things and see how they work for you cuz everyone is made differently...... :)
 
yep :-)
I think if I see good results in 8 weeks I'll stop at 8
if there are no problems and I'm making just "OK" results I'll stop at 10 or 12

Reason being, if all goes very well I want to stop sooner and hopefully recover soon so that way I can maybe have time to run another one during summer
 
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