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FISHTALES

FISHTALES

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2nd day 40mcg a day, pre workout, only other "supplement" gh 4 1/2 iu a day and creatine (af store)

better than normal pumps, increased vascularity (due to increased pumps im sure)

will update in 2 days

I know some aas would be really good with this, but im taking a break from it.
 
steelmass said:
I thought any pre-mixed igf-1 was surely bunk ?!? thought it was unstable and required refridgeration.
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You thought wrong. I'm on AG IGF now, the stuff works ;)
 
Funny how times change... It was not long ago when AG-Guys was carrying the Receptor grade in powder and people were claiming that pre-mixed and media grade was bunk. Now AG-GUYS has premixed media grade and everyone loves it.

It gets frustrating when information is clouded by the fact that sponsors throw money around. I am a paying supporter of this board, and I don't like it.
 
black sheep said:
Funny how times change... It was not long ago when AG-Guys was carrying the Receptor grade in powder and people were claiming that pre-mixed and media grade was bunk. Now AG-GUYS has premixed media grade and everyone loves it.

It gets frustrating when information is clouded by the fact that sponsors throw money around. I am a paying supporter of this board, and I don't like it.
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Media grade CAN be bunk, and for years it was. People were mishandling the IGF and improperly suspending it. That was common fact. Times change and products change all around the world.

Receptor grade is BEST, no question, but people are not willing to pay receptor grade prices - lol, you didn't see how many were bitching about it. On the BM receptor grade is about $770/mg, that is REAL receptor grade - not media grade sold as receptor grade.
 
Mr.X said:
You thought wrong. I'm on AG IGF now, the stuff works ;)
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wow - maybe i'll give it a shot - do you run it with slin ? or with gh ? or both ? Maybe i'll take a break from the slin and run igf-1...
 
FISHTALES said:
2nd day 40mcg a day, pre workout, only other "supplement" gh 4 1/2 iu a day and creatine (af store)

better than normal pumps, increased vascularity (due to increased pumps im sure)

will update in 2 days

I know some aas would be really good with this, but im taking a break from it.
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good to hear bro
 
steelmass said:
I thought any pre-mixed igf-1 was surely bunk ?!? thought it was unstable and required refridgeration.
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They found out they can store in in a solution with Acetic Acid (AA) and there are figures that show it keep sreally well.

Keep in fridge just to be sure as it can't hurt.

It works. No doubt.
 
No prices of course but I can't see buying it from these research companies when it can be had quite easily for less than half the price sometimes. Don't email or pm me asking where either cause I'm not gonna respond.
 
rick_hfh said:
With all due respect, I think you know better than to list prices. :p
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I thought prives only applied to sources, etc...............

we're talking about a "Research Co." here

If you can list their price of Clen etc, then you can list the price of IGF

No need for respect, cause it's all good and nothing "wrong" was done.
 
day 4, little bit increased vascularity, but ive tightened my diet up also( and im naturally vascular). good pumps, I actually had a hard time with abs cuz of the pump. weight still about the same (but diet is strict)
 
FISHTALES said:
day 4, little bit increased vascularity, but ive tightened my diet up also( and im naturally vascular). good pumps, I actually had a hard time with abs cuz of the pump. weight still about the same (but diet is strict)
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How do you measure out the igf? Is it iu gou iu on a 1cc slin pin or do u have to mix with some bac or something?
 
dannomight said:
How do you measure out the igf? Is it iu gou iu on a 1cc slin pin or do u have to mix with some bac or something?
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ive been using the 30gauge insulin, 2 units is 40 mcg, and drawing some bac water for a total of about 20 units
 
my whole reason for the 40mcg a day for 25 days with no gear, is to see if it actually works, without having to wonder if gear was giving me good pumps or the igf....if it seems to work, then ill add a little something the next time.
 
rick_hfh said:
With all due respect, I think you know better than to list prices. :p
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That wasn't in referrence to a source or even the research company in this topic. :artist:
 
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FISHTALES said:
my whole reason for the 40mcg a day for 25 days with no gear, is to see if it actually works, without having to wonder if gear was giving me good pumps or the igf....if it seems to work, then ill add a little something the next time.
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I'm the same way dude..... I NEVER use it with AAS.... Love the fact that I can stay anabolic during a PCT.... IT's PERFECT FOR BRIDGING..... I used 50mcg per day my 1st cycle.... Just used IGF, no AAS with it.... Shot 20mcg in the AM around 5am, and 30mcg 12hrs later in the PM..... I didn't shoot it in muscles I was training that day either, like you read about sometimes.... I don't think that is needed, I shot it in my delts..... Got good results, no real weight gain, cause I was dieting down.... Shot it every 12hrs to keep blood lvls as stable as I could....

2nd cycle, I did 100mcg per day in PCT..... I gotta say that I didn't see that much of a difference between 100mcg and 50mcg per day.... I know most will say 80-100mcg per day is the best dose, but I think that is still to be determined..... When I compare the results I got off 50mcg, and 100mcg per day??? I know that could NEVER say the 100mcg was TWICE as good..... NO WAY IN HELL..... I will never do 100mcg per day again, it's just not needed for me, and it's too expensive.... I do very well off 50mcg per day.....

My cycles were 4 weeks in duration, and seemed to help me diet down faster, and make my veins more pronounced...... I love the stuff, and I have NO AFFILIATION with any sponsors of this board......

rizz
 
Prizz said:
I'm the same way dude..... I NEVER use it with AAS.... Love the fact that I can stay anabolic during a PCT.... IT's PERFECT FOR BRIDGING..... I used 50mcg per day my 1st cycle.... Just used IGF, no AAS with it.... Shot 20mcg in the AM around 5am, and 30mcg 12hrs later in the PM..... I didn't shoot it in muscles I was training that day either, like you read about sometimes.... I don't think that is needed, I shot it in my delts..... Got good results, no real weight gain, cause I was dieting down.... Shot it every 12hrs to keep blood lvls as stable as I could....

2nd cycle, I did 100mcg per day in PCT..... I gotta say that I didn't see that much of a difference between 100mcg and 50mcg per day.... I know most will say 80-100mcg per day is the best dose, but I think that is still to be determined..... When I compare the results I got off 50mcg, and 100mcg per day??? I know that could NEVER say the 100mcg was TWICE as good..... NO WAY IN HELL..... I will never do 100mcg per day again, it's just not needed for me, and it's too expensive.... I do very well off 50mcg per day.....

My cycles were 4 weeks in duration, and seemed to help me diet down faster, and make my veins more pronounced...... I love the stuff, and I have NO AFFILIATION with any sponsors of this board......

rizz
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So when you say "bridging", you mean during PCT only? you haven't tried it after PCT and before the next cycle? Just trying to learn more about it... and I've read that IGF + HGH + Slin + T3 are the ultimate synergistic combo.... so does IGF on its own give good results?
 
unit=1/100 of a cc

a 30 unit slin syringe with half-unit markinfs is the way to go. look on diabetic supply sites. $20 for 100 pins with shipping.
 
njmuscleguy said:
So when you say "bridging", you mean during PCT only? you haven't tried it after PCT and before the next cycle? Just trying to learn more about it... and I've read that IGF + HGH + Slin + T3 are the ultimate synergistic combo.... so does IGF on its own give good results?
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Well, the time after my cycle is over, till the next one starts I call PCT..... I don't take too much time off between cycles..... During that time off, youre prone to lose muscle, so using IGF will prevent that..... I never used IGF with ANYTHING else.... I don't see why you would use IGF with insulin, that just sounds dangerous since IGF mimics Insulin.... Don't know about IGF and HGH use together.... Sounds like over kill, and expensive..... I'm telling you this, IGF used BY ITSELF is like an AAS cycle..... You get stronger, no water retention, feel it within 3-4 days, it's great stuff.... You don't need to cycle anything with it..... However, I will be using it with T3 in a few weeks.... That's just cause T3 is part of my summer cycles..... Not only that, but IGF is expensive enough, so save your cash, and only use it by itself.....

rizz
 
day 8, pumps are good, vascularity is good, strength is decent. weight about the same with body fat down about a percent. overall I am happy. I would describe it as being equal to a light dose anavar cycle. nothing crazy, but gives that little push. report back in a few days.
 
My impression with IGF is really there isnt a specific effect right away like there is with say Dbol, or the similar (or on a longer scale, test e, etc)

the idea with IGF, is that it is the ONLY thing that can INCREASE the number of muscle cells you have... on that subject, injecting too much (i have read anything over 50mcg) will NOT be absorbed in the local muscle and will in fact attach to anything, most often and easiest being the intestine, which WILL grow...

The idea here is that IGF works BEST when used for localized growth in a muscle group and shot immediately (within minutes) after training that body part, as that is when the receptors are primed to receive IGF and make the most use of the largest % of the injection...

beauty here is IGF is legal, and safe, and you can bring it with you to the gym, so you can go to the locker room and do it right after working out :)

By increasing the AMOUNT of muscle cells you have, if you chose to use AS, (or just continue working out naturally) THEN you notice the best increase, because you now have more cells growing!
 
The idea of IGF-1 is NOT site specifig growth. ABout the only thing that does that is that prostaglandin shit.

IGF-1 is absorbed systemically just like any other AAS. ANd it will aid tendon and connective tissue growth in ways AAS won't.

Really, the best way to think of it is as a "poor man's HGH" but in many ways it's actually superior, depending on your goals. It's great for tendonitis (which is usually really tendinosus). You must monitor your blood sugar when you're on it as the most common side is hypoglycemia.
 
BonerBoy said:
The idea of IGF-1 is NOT site specifig growth. ABout the only thing that does that is that prostaglandin shit.

IGF-1 is absorbed systemically just like any other AAS. ANd it will aid tendon and connective tissue growth in ways AAS won't.

Really, the best way to think of it is as a "poor man's HGH" but in many ways it's actually superior, depending on your goals. It's great for tendonitis (which is usually really tendinosus). You must monitor your blood sugar when you're on it as the most common side is hypoglycemia.
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IMHO -

for short term goals - IGF is the BALLS
for long term goals/health - HGH

simple
 
How about the goal of increasing muscle cells... so that you have more muscle cells to stimulate than you do by your genetics... in terms of exceeding your genetic potential.... IGF has a good place there! :)

its like fat loss... the only way to reduce the fat cells you actually have is lipo...
 
Using the AG's MGF now, had to stop on my MMA training days - the pumps are insane!
 
I have a feeling that I may be trying something new shortly...

Whiskey
 
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