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Advice on my first cycle - PRE COMP CYCLE

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RyanGreg

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Some information about myself..

Age: 24
Years bodybuilding: 5
Height: 5'10
Weight: 195
Body fat percentage: currently 12-14% (have dieted down to 6% before)

I have entered 2 bodybuilding comps in the past, this will be my 3rd. My first comp i placed 2nd and most recent comp i took out 1st place. This time i want to step things up. (no drug testing at this comp).

I plan to start the cycle start of november.

CYCLE:

- Testosterone propionate 50mg ED (12 weeks)
- Aromasin 12.5mg ED (16 weeks, used in PCT also)
- hCG 250iu 2x per week (12 weeks during cycle)

PCT:

Nolvadex (starting 4 days after last pin) 40/40/20/20 (4 weeks)

QUESTIONS:

1. Would i be better going 100mg EOD compared to 50mg ED, or does not matter?

2. Hows my PCT look? Would i benefit adding in some clomid or is it not needed?

3. Any other advice?

Thanks :)
 
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it really depends on you in terms of ed or eod... if you can handle that kind of pinning and how you react to it sides wise... some people have no issue pinning ed and some do...

your pct is terrible bro... take nolva straight to toilet and flush that fucking shit...

pct

clomid 25/25/25/25
unleashed/post cycle combo
forma stanzol
daa powerchews or powder
 
^^^ what dylan said.

and also no need to run hcg for 12 weeks like that. at the very least 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off. but i would prefer you use hcgenerate starting week 5, and then use hcg to kickstart PCT.

also since you are gonna compete you are gonna want to add possibly some var or winny towards the end. something to dry you out.
 
dylangemelli said:
it really depends on you in terms of ed or eod... if you can handle that kind of pinning and how you react to it sides wise... some people have no issue pinning ed and some do...

your pct is terrible bro... take nolva straight to toilet and flush that fucking shit...

pct

clomid 25/25/25/25
unleashed/post cycle combo
forma stanzol
daa powerchews or powder
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Thanks for the reply.

Why is nolva shit lol? I thought it was good for PCT?

Should i use both novlva and clomid together then? I will also add some DAA powder.

Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 25/25/25/25
 
stevesmi said:
^^^ what dylan said.

and also no need to run hcg for 12 weeks like that. at the very least 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off. but i would prefer you use hcgenerate starting week 5, and then use hcg to kickstart PCT.

also since you are gonna compete you are gonna want to add possibly some var or winny towards the end. something to dry you out.
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Ok cool thanks i will keep hcg to the last weeks of the cycle.

I have thought about adding other compounds, was thinking to add winstrol to the cycle but the hair loss and dry joints kind of scare me. Also the anavar is pretty cheap that i can get so kind of skeptical if it is legit.

I was also thinking about adding some masteron instead of the winstrol, yeah i know it still has a hair loss effect but not so much on the joints right? Whats your thoughts about mast compared to winny or var?

Thanks.
 
do not add clen... its very dangerous and the risk does not outweigh the reward... bro, nolva is shit... its not going to do anything for you in pct... i laid out the pct for you... if you add masteron you need to get your body fat down more... you will not get the full benefit from it unless you get under 10%...
 
dylangemelli said:
do not add clen... its very dangerous and the risk does not outweigh the reward... bro, nolva is shit... its not going to do anything for you in pct... i laid out the pct for you... if you add masteron you need to get your body fat down more... you will not get the full benefit from it unless you get under 10%...
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Thanks for the info Dylan.

Hmm ok i have searched many times for a good PCT after a test only cycle and i think every single one i came across contained nolva? Will it honestly not benefit me in anyway? Could i do your recommended PCT + add nova in there as well? Or still don't bother?

And yes i will be under 10% before i start my cycle, I'm not starting until start of november.

Whats your thoughts on winstrol VS masteron for pre comp and hardening?
 
Nolva is a breast cancer drug. It will not help you recover your hpta after cycle.

The only thing it will do is upregulate estrogen, upregulate progesterone receptors. Give you blood clouts and make you feel like shit the whole time plus when you come off it.
 
RyanGreg said:
Thanks for the info Dylan.

Hmm ok i have searched many times for a good PCT after a test only cycle and i think every single one i came across contained nolva? Will it honestly not benefit me in anyway? Could i do your recommended PCT + add nova in there as well? Or still don't bother?

And yes i will be under 10% before i start my cycle, I'm not starting until start of november.

Whats your thoughts on winstrol VS masteron for pre comp and hardening?
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Dont use nolva for anything. Just run dylans pct and you will be good. If your only using test than winny is the better choice at the end. The mast stacks well with certain steroids, but winny is much stronger. Just make sure you use n2guard to protect liver.

NTBM REP
 
Texas Monster said:
Nolva is a breast cancer drug. It will not help you recover your hpta after cycle.

The only thing it will do is upregulate estrogen, upregulate progesterone receptors. Give you blood clouts and make you feel like shit the whole time plus when you come off it.
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wow.

What the hell have i been reading lol? ok thanks a lot for your info.

What would your opinion of a good PCT for my cycle be if you don't mind posting?
 
joeblow12345 said:
Dont use nolva for anything. Just run dylans pct and you will be good. If your only using test than winny is the better choice at the end. The mast stacks well with certain steroids, but winny is much stronger. Just make sure you use n2guard to protect liver.

NTBM REP
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Ok thanks a lot for the advice, i will just follow Dylans PCT posted above.
 
Ok so this is what i have so far in mind for the PCT.

Clomid 25/25/25/25 (4 weeks)
Unleashed/post cycle combo (4 weeks)
Forma stanzol (4 weeks)
DAA powder (4 weeks)

QUESTIONS:

1. Would it be a good idea to include nolva just in case of gyno? Even if it is shit for PCT?

2. Do i continue Aromasin through the PCT?

3. Should i run forma stanzol DURING cycle as well as PCT?
 
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RyanGreg said:
Ok so this is what i have so far in mind for the PCT.

Clomid 25/25/25/25 (4 weeks)
Unleashed/post cycle combo (4 weeks)
Forma stanzol (4 weeks)
DAA powder (4 weeks)

QUESTIONS:

1. Would it be a good idea to include nolva just in case of gyno? Even if it is shit for PCT?

2. Do i continue Aromasin through the PCT?

3. Should i run forma stanzol DURING cycle as well as PCT?
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bro, im trying to be very patient but if you bring up nolva one more time im going to fucking lose my mind... get rid of it!!!

run aromasin up until pct...

stop aromasin before pct and start forma during pct...
 
RyanGreg said:
I may add in some clenbuterol also.
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DON'T...The Best thing if you want to add something would be 300mg of masteron, It Will lean you out good and The best part is masteron has AI properties so no AI such as Arimidex is not needed, Masteron and Test is like having your cake & candy and eating it too!
 
dylangemelli said:
bro, im trying to be very patient but if you bring up nolva one more time im going to fucking lose my mind... get rid of it!!!

run aromasin up until pct...

stop aromasin before pct and start forma during pct...
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LMAO! Ok i get it!

How does this look bro? Thanks for all your help by the way.

cycle:

test prop 50mg ED (12 weeks)
Masteron 50mg ED (8 weeks)
Aromasin 12.5mg ED (16 weeks) (4 weeks in PCT also)
Forma stanzol 10 pumps twice daily (16 weeks) (4 weeks in PCT also)
hcg 250iu 2x per week (last 10 weeks of cycle)

PCT:

Clomid 25/25/25/25 (4 weeks)
Unleashed/post cycle combo (4 weeks)
Forma stanzol 10 pumps twice daily (4 weeks)
Aromasin 12.5mg (4 weeks)
DAA powder (8 weeks)
Tribulus (8 weeks)

QUESTIONS:

1. Can i continue Aromasin through the PCT as well as with Forma stanzol?

2. Should i run forma stanzol DURING cycle as well as PCT?

3. How much time off do i need before doing this cycle again? 12 weeks on 12 weeks off?
 
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RADAR said:
DON'T...The Best thing if you want to add something would be 300mg of masteron, It Will lean you out good and The best part is masteron has AI properties so no AI such as Arimidex is not needed, Masteron and Test is like having your cake & candy and eating it too!
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Hmm sounds good! :)

So if i do choose to include the masteron in my cycle can i still keep my AI (aromasin) even if its not needed?

Thanks.
 
Correct, I've trained my share of bodybuilders and believe me that combo will have you looking amazing!
 
RyanGreg said:
LMAO! Ok i get it!

How does this look bro? Thanks for all your help by the way.

cycle:

test prop 50mg ED (12 weeks)
Masteron 50mg ED (8 weeks)
Aromasin 12.5mg ED (16 weeks) (4 weeks in PCT also)
Forma stanzol 10 pumps twice daily (16 weeks) (4 weeks in PCT also)
hcg 250iu 2x per week (last 10 weeks of cycle)

PCT:

Clomid 25/25/25/25 (4 weeks)
Unleashed/post cycle combo (4 weeks)
Forma stanzol 10 pumps twice daily (4 weeks)
Aromasin 12.5mg (4 weeks)
DAA powder (8 weeks)
Tribulus (8 weeks)

QUESTIONS:

1. Can i continue Aromasin through the PCT as well as with Forma stanzol?

2. Should i run forma stanzol DURING cycle as well as PCT?

3. How much time off do i need before doing this cycle again? 12 weeks on 12 weeks off?
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im happy to help bro... first things first... i see that you said this is your first cycle? bro, do you realize how much pinning your going to be doing running test prop and the pain that is going to be associated with it? I just want you to understand that most people don't run test prop as a first cycle... some do but most are sorry because as a first injectable, it tends to be rough... this is something you need to really keep in mind...

this is how i would run this...

1-8 test prop 150 mg eod
1-8 mast prop 150 mg eod
1-8 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
3-8 hcg 500 iu's week or hcgenerate

pct

9-12 clomid 25/25/25/25
9-12 unleashed/post cycle combo
9-12 forma stanzol
9-12 daa powerchews or powder
 
RyanGreg said:
Even for a first cycle?
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I didnt know this was your first cycle. In that case I highly advise skipping the prop altogether and going with test e and winny or var on the back end. You will be sorry if you go with prop as the pip is terrible for beginners and the frequency of injections will be a hassle. Trust me you are getting in over your head and prop will cripple you with pain.

NTBM REP
 
I agree with Joe and Dylan man. But as for your question about Masteron. I ran Tren, Mast E, Var and Test for my contest prep back in April-August and loved it
 
dylangemelli said:
im happy to help bro... first things first... i see that you said this is your first cycle? bro, do you realize how much pinning your going to be doing running test prop and the pain that is going to be associated with it? I just want you to understand that most people don't run test prop as a first cycle... some do but most are sorry because as a first injectable, it tends to be rough... this is something you need to really keep in mind...

this is how i would run this...

1-8 test prop 150 mg eod
1-8 mast prop 150 mg eod
1-8 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
3-8 hcg 500 iu's week or hcgenerate

pct

9-12 clomid 25/25/25/25
9-12 unleashed/post cycle combo
9-12 forma stanzol
9-12 daa powerchews or powder
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Thanks a lot bro.

Will probably go EOD
 
You can cut back pinning running Test Eth or Cyp either one the masteron will still dry you up.
I run it that way and so do my subjects, I absolutely love it, the boost in libido will make you a happy camper also :)
 
RADAR said:
You can cut back pinning running Test Eth or Cyp either one the masteron will still dry you up.
I run it that way and so do my subjects, I absolutely love it, the boost in libido will make you a happy camper also :)
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I'm looking foward to the libido boost! Not that its a problem or anything at the moment.

Another question if you don't mind, I'm also going to be on accutane (to prevent acne) i don't have acne or anything but i know i am prone to it and i believe i would flare up on a cycle. Im starting the accutane 1 month before the cycle.

Something for my liver needed? If so what would you recommend. Thanks.
 
RyanGreg said:
I'm looking foward to the libido boost! Not that its a problem or anything at the moment.

Another question if you don't mind, I'm also going to be on accutane (to prevent acne) i don't have acne or anything but i know i am prone to it and i believe i would flare up on a cycle. Im starting the accutane 1 month before the cycle.

Something for my liver needed? If so what would you recommend. Thanks.
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N2guard.

NTBM REP
 
RyanGreg said:
Also another question.. Is 16 weeks to long?
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N2guard can be obtained at needtobuildmuscle.com. Cycle length is a matter of personal preference. Some prefer shorter cycles and faster recoveries. I prefer long cycles myself. I feel this is best for me. Find what works for you.

NTBM REP
 
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