Advice on cycle, Sustanon/Deca/Anavar with tbol ?

[Kamta]

Hey i was thinking of my 4th cycle but i have a few questions and wanted to know if this is g2g

My stats :

-28 yrs old
-89 kg
-181 cm
-10/12 %bf ( haven't checked in a while )

Did 3 cycles before :

1-Test E / Dbol
2-Test E / Deca
3-Test E / EQ / Dbol



This is the 4th cycle i was thinking of doing :


-DECA Week 1-10 (200mg twice a week)

-Sustanon Week 1-12 (250mg Twice a week)

-Anavar Week 9-12 (50mg tabs Ed)

-Arimidex Week 1-12 (0.5mg Ed)

-?Tbol Week 1-4 (40-50mg tabs Ed) ?

-Injecting on Monday (am) / Thursday (pm)

-Since i already did a deca cycle at 400mg and test e 500mg will i get some good gains with sustanon at 500 and deca at 400 or should i add more deca ?



3 days after my last test injection ,HCG 1000Iu EOD for 10 days ( most people would tell me to take hcg during cycle but for the 3 cycle i did i only took hcg that way, a the end of the cycle, and worked every time for me

-PCT :week 14-17

NOLVADEX : 40/40/20/20

I have some clomid left enough for 4 weeks should i add some 50/50/50/50 ?



also one more question, should i add some Tbol to kickstart for the first 4 week at 40/50mg ed ?(never tried tbol, dont wanna use dbol for this cycle)

 

[dylangemelli]

Hey i was thinking of my 4th cycle but i have a few questions and wanted to know if this is g2g

My stats :

-28 yrs old
-89 kg
-181 cm
-10/12 %bf ( haven't checked in a while )

Did 3 cycles before :

1-Test E / Dbol
2-Test E / Deca
3-Test E / EQ / Dbol



This is the 4th cycle i was thinking of doing :


-DECA Week 1-10 (200mg twice a week)

-Sustanon Week 1-12 (250mg Twice a week)

-Anavar Week 9-12 (50mg tabs Ed)

-Arimidex Week 1-12 (0.5mg Ed)

-?Tbol Week 1-4 (40-50mg tabs Ed) ?

-Injecting on Monday (am) / Thursday (pm)

-Since i already did a deca cycle at 400mg and test e 500mg will i get some good gains with sustanon at 500 and deca at 400 or should i add more deca ?



3 days after my last test injection ,HCG 1000Iu EOD for 10 days ( most people would tell me to take hcg during cycle but for the 3 cycle i did i only took hcg that way, a the end of the cycle, and worked every time for me

-PCT :week 14-17

NOLVADEX : 40/40/20/20

I have some clomid left enough for 4 weeks should i add some 50/50/50/50 ?



also one more question, should i add some Tbol to kickstart for the first 4 week at 40/50mg ed ?(never tried tbol, dont wanna use dbol for this cycle)

There are a lot of things I would change here bro... I would run my test lower for starters... I would keep deca where it is and drop your test down to 350mg... Run tbol for 6 weeks at 60 mg day... I would also run anavar 9-14 as opposed to 9-12... you start pct in 15 so run anavar all the way until pct... You MUST protect yourself with these orals, as they are very harsh in many ways... Run N2guard with both orals or you are asking for serious problems... I also don't see you make any mention of running caber or prami with deca... You AT LEAST need to have it on hand... I would run hcgenerate ES week 5-12 and then you can blast hcg... You are going to get shut down bad on this cycle with deca and anavar, so hcgenerate ES will be of huge benefit to you... as far as pct, that is definitely not enough and i would be careful running nolva with deca... that's up to you but I wouldn't do it with any 19-nor... here is what I recommend for pct...

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[northernknight]

Hey i was thinking of my 4th cycle but i have a few questions and wanted to know if this is g2g

My stats :

-28 yrs old
-89 kg
-181 cm
-10/12 %bf ( haven't checked in a while )

Did 3 cycles before :

1-Test E / Dbol
2-Test E / Deca
3-Test E / EQ / Dbol



This is the 4th cycle i was thinking of doing :


-DECA Week 1-10 (200mg twice a week)

-Sustanon Week 1-12 (250mg Twice a week)

-Anavar Week 9-12 (50mg Ed)

-Arimidex Week 1-12 (0.5mg Ed)

-Injecting on Monday (am) / Thursday (pm)

-Since i already did a deca cycle at 400mg and test e 500mg will i get some good gains with sustanon at 500 and deca at 400 or should i add more deca ?



3 days after my last test injection ,HCG 1000Iu EOD for 10 days ( most people would tell me to take hcg during cycle but for the 3 cycle i did i only took hcg that way, a the end of the cycle, and worked every time for me

-PCT :week 14-17

NOLVADEX : 40/40/20/20

I have some clomid left enough for 4 weeks should i add some 50/50/50/50 ?



also one more question, should i add some Tbol to kickstart for the first week at 40mg ed ?(never tried tbol, dont wanna use dbol for this cycle)

Drop your Sustanon dose down to 250-375 mgs a week. Your Deca dose looks fine, but you can bump it to 500 mgs a week after first 4-6 weeks if you feel that way, that's my preference with Deca.

Question about the gains is impossible to answer, but you should be able to get good results from this cycle, assuming that your diet and training is in order. You are no were close to the point where your receptors would have been fried after doing just three cycles, if you didn't use insane doses, but based on this layout you seen to have pretty good idea what you are doing. Only thing I disagree on is your Test dose, and it's common very that people want to run higher doses than needed, especially with Test.

IMO you can increase Deca dose, but like I already said you should also drop Test dose down. There's no need for 500 mgs of Test a week when stacking multiple AAS, it will only increase sides not gains.

Actually you are using HCG while on cycle according to your layout, and that's the way that you should do it. Sustanon has Test Decoate in it, so it will take at least a month after your last shot for it to clear out of your system, actually even longer, but after a month Test level will be pretty low. Also becouse of this same reason there's no reason for you stop your Deca before Sustanon, it has same ester and will clear out about same as Sustanon. So run them both 10 or 12 weeks, I would go for 12, but nothing wrong with 10 either. Effects from both will be strongly present after last injection for few weeks anyway.

IMO you can add few weeks to your cycle length without additional injections when using Decoate esters i.e. Deca-Durabolin & Sustanon (1 of 4 esters in Sustanon blend and the one it has highest amount of).

If you mean that you would run Tbol first 4 weeks, I think it's a great idea to add it, kicker with Deca & Sust is a really good addition since both will take time to build up, and really "kick in". Just run N2Guard for cycle support , especially with both orals, and you should be fine. If you really want to protect your liver against damage any from orals get some TUDCA, that's the most effective liver protection against damage from oral androgens that I've ever used.


Few things about your PCT, I won't go in depth about, since I'm on TRT so my information is not necessary latest update.
Just noticed that your SERM doses are way too high, there's no added benefit to run either of them with so high doses.
If you decide to go totally old school with your PCT, at least run sane doses like:
20/20/10/10 for Nolva
I would never ever run Clomid, but if you decide to do so go with 25/25/12.5/12.5 dosing at MAX. Run it too high and it will literally kill your dick, especially after running Deca.
Also Def add Aromasin to your PCT at 12.5-25 EOD to avoid Estrogen rebound.

Btw. Speaking of Deca-dick are you going to run Caber on cycle? I would at least keep it on hand, since you shouldn't need it if you keep your Estrogen under control, unless you are prone to Prolactin induced problems. If you decide to run Clomid then you will probably need it though, and various other things like Viagra and Cialis, to get your dick working again... Yes, I admit that have "a bit" of attitude problem with Clomid, lol!

If you want you recover to go as well as possible, add Unleashed/Post cycle combo, Ostarine and HCGenetate to your PCT.
Also definitely incorporate N2Guard to your cycle, and it would be very beneficial to run HCGenerate while on cycle too.
There are many other options, but these products I can guarantee to work, since I use them myself. Even though I'm on TRT, and some will argue that PCT is unnecessary in my situation. Well, I beg to differ!

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[Kamta]

Tahnks guys
so ill drop the sustanon to 350 a week and stay at 400 for deca and do the cycle for 10-12 weeks

so if sustanon and deca take the same amount of time to clear out i should start my pct 4 weeks after the last sustanon/deca injection?
my source doesnt have caber, i dont trust other source since everything is made in china there ^^ and i dont buy online, so will ill be fine if i just watch out for estrogen levels ?

ill stick to clomid then, never had any sides with it, except for acne, my back was like a mine field, but after pct was fine it was gone within 3 week

 

[dylangemelli]

Tahnks guys
so ill drop the sustanon to 350 a week and stay at 400 for deca and do the cycle for 10-12 weeks

so if sustanon and deca take the same amount of time to clear out i should start my pct 4 weeks after the last sustanon/deca injection?
my source doesnt have caber, i dont trust other source since everything is made in china there ^^ and i dont buy online, so will ill be fine if i just watch out for estrogen levels ?

ill stick to clomid then, never had any sides with it, except for acne, my back was like a mine field, but after pct was fine it was gone within 3 week

caber or prami is for prolactin that can occur from tren... your ai will not address this...

start your pct about 18 days after your last pin...

 

[northernknight]

^^^ Yeah, even though Decoates take over a month to clear out, you shouldn't wait for that long before you start PCT. After 18 days is a good time to begin, if you will wait much longer your androgen levels will get so low that you feel like shit. This way you get a head start, maybe consider extending your PCT to 5-6 weeks.
AI won't reduce Prolactin, so you definitely should get Caber/Prami so you will at least have it on hand.


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[northernknight]

IME although AIs won't reduce Prolactin, when used correctly they will prevent Prolactin from increasing by keeping Estrogen strictly under control. There's absolutely no guarantee that this would work with you, and only way to find out is try it, and run bloods to make sure it's working. Of course you will also still need to have Caber/Prami on hand, if it will turn out that this doesn't work out. So in any case you should keep some on hand, high Prolactin is a bitch to recover from without help of dopamine agonists.

I'm just posting this since I have had great success with running 19nors without incorporating Caber anymore, just keeping on hand. I also know that I'm not only one who is having success with this. Again this will end up depending on individual response to AAS, I get along with 19nors very well in general, so that should be considered a starting point for all of this.

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