AAS induced stroke?

[The Heretic1]

Yes, I cycle. BP is my biggest concern. I am 31 and have seen what high BP can do to a person. I am a firefighter/Paramedic and also have a BSN. I work as an RN, PRN on my off dyas from the station at a cardiovascular hospital. I know what I'm talking about on this subject. I'm getting fired up because some people here are purposely misleading others about some of the sides of AAS.

 

[Ulter]

No one is purposely misleading anyone. Your assertions are still just your extrapolations and theories. No pro builder has ever had a stroke on cycle. In 40 years. If your assertions were accurate then don't you find that a bit odd for a group of thousands that uses 5 to 10 times more AS than you do? I am all for people getting being safe while using AS but your posts are more like chicken little than a knowledgeable AS user. The instances of athletes suffering a stroke have not increased when the athlete uses AS. There is simply no data supporting what you are saying.

 

[poantrex]

Ulter, why would NIH do a study to see how many steroid users die of a stroke? Do you think they would subject participants to fatally high blood pressure just to see if they get a stroke?

I usually find your posts very informative...but I have to disagree with you. There is a CLEAR link between many AAS and high blood pressure. Do you dispute this? High blood pressure OBVIOUSLY leads to stroke in many people. Do you dispute this? So the link is there. You just aren't gonna find a study that purposely checks how many of its participants are willing to die of stroke from AAS, LOL.

 

[bike]

Hey i know for a fact that a lot of bodybilders are using Alybyl-E or a pain killer with same compond.To prevent stroke under and after cycel becuse of the blod % is so haigh.I havent been using anything my self,but i think if you chek your blod and its over the limit.You shoud consider using it.I tink it is Equipose that brings it haigest up....

 

[The Heretic1]

Read this: http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:...am/cam1.pdf+pro+bodybuilder+dies+stroke&hl=en


It states that there have been instances of ATHLETES dying from stroke do to AAS usage causing high BP. It's like you can't add together 2+2 Ulter. AAS causes high BP and high BP can lead to stroke. I can eat McDonalds everyday and because of the fat, salt etc my BP will rise. I may one day have a stroke. What caused my stroke? DIET! Just as if I use AAS and develop high BP, don't take the right precautions, I may stroke. WHat caused the stroke? I know you're going to say high BP in this instance to further your argument, but what caused the high BP?

 

[Ulter]

You're taking statistic from the general, obese, population and trying to apply it to athletes. It doesn't fly. The stats he quoted are for people who are by in large are out of shape and mostly obese.

No the NIH would not do a study on steroid users but certainly others would, and have.

This site has been here for 10 years. In that time there have been over 100,000 people posting here. Not one in all that time reported a stroke due to to AS or any other reason. Don't you think that's a little strange if your link of AS= HBP HBP=Stroke was proven science? Maybe a study would show that the vessels in an athlete grow stronger due to volume passing through it. Who knows? Until there is clinical research linking athletes using AS to stroke, and in absence of any data, anecdotal or otherwise, you just can’t make that jump. Well I can’t.

Of course it's possible that just about anything COULD happen. But to just make the general statement that AS causes stroke is not truthful.

 

[poantrex]

Now you're being ridiculous. You can make the argument that there are no reported deaths on this site from prostate cancer, yet steroids pose a serious risk of prostate enlargement in some individuals.

Look, its lunacy to suggest that its IMPOSSIBLE for AAS to cause stroke. Because, clearly, AAS can cause high blood pressure and high blood pressure can cause strokes.

And who cares about stats...when someone dies, very rarely are they checked for any types of exogenous androgens... So its stupid to suggest that because there aren't deaths ruled to be caused by steroids, that there is no link between strokes and AAS. They don't check for that shit when someone dies, man. They just report the cause of death as a heart attack or stroke and thats it. Obviously, the cause of death can be hastened by improper AAS use.

 

[The Heretic1]

I just posted a link where they have cases of ATHLETES having strokes because of AAS usage.

Also, your "no one posting here has had a stroke" is stupid. Maybe some have stroked and can't see, type, read anymore or are dead.

 

[Ulter]

Read this: http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:...am/cam1.pdf+pro+bodybuilder+dies+stroke&hl=en


It states that there have been instances of ATHLETES dying from stroke do to AAS usage causing high BP. It's like you can't add together 2+2 Ulter. AAS causes high BP and high BP can lead to stroke. I can eat McDonalds everyday and because of the fat, salt etc my BP will rise. I may one day have a stroke. What caused my stroke? DIET! Just as if I use AAS and develop high BP, don't take the right precautions, I may stroke. WHat caused the stroke? I know you're going to say high BP in this instance to further your argument, but what caused the high BP?

It also says someone got AIDS from steroid use. It doesn't give a reference for either however. If 5000 pro body builders had 3 instances of stroke then they are under the national average aren't they? So his sampling is less than the general population. If his sampling is even true.

The people you're talking about have a history of HBP. The average steroid user has HBP for two 8 week periods a year. Again, you can't apply general population models to the athletes using AS.

 

[Ulter]

Now you're being ridiculous. You can make the argument that there are no reported deaths on this site from prostate cancer, yet steroids pose a serious risk of prostate enlargement in some individuals.

Look, its lunacy to suggest that its IMPOSSIBLE for AAS to cause stroke. Because, clearly, AAS can cause high blood pressure and high blood pressure can cause strokes.

And who cares about stats...when someone dies, very rarely are they checked for any types of exogenous androgens... So its stupid to suggest that because there aren't deaths ruled to be caused by steroids, that there is no link between strokes and AAS. They don't check for that shit when someone dies, man. They just report the cause of death as a heart attack or stroke and thats it. Obviously, the cause of death can be hastened by improper AAS use.

Well guess what you're wrong again. 2/3 of the studies done on AS use and prostate cancer showed no relation. All but 1 of the remaining 1/3 showed inconclusive results. So I wouldn't expect anyone to report AS induced prostate cancer. This is well documented at Life Extension Group.

You probably didn't read my post. I said ANYTHING is possible.