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AAS induced stroke?
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Swole_2112
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Whoa,
I leave a post for one day and this is what happens. I didn't think this kind of an argument would grow out of it. As for the specifics of it, age at time of stroke, diet, type of juice, dosage, etc. I don't know. Next time I see him I'll ask and maybe we can give a more accurate diagnosis. Cheers.
I leave a post for one day and this is what happens. I didn't think this kind of an argument would grow out of it. As for the specifics of it, age at time of stroke, diet, type of juice, dosage, etc. I don't know. Next time I see him I'll ask and maybe we can give a more accurate diagnosis. Cheers.
The_Heretic
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Ulter said:
Yes.
I thought we were having an educational convo. I guess not. If you really thought I think that 1st time AAS users are going to have a stroke your wrong. Is it possible? Sure. I'm talking about, and an educated person would know this, people who use AAS on a regular basis and suffer from high BP. Weakening of the vessels occur and a stroke is possible. Period.
The_Heretic
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yomama said:
In other words, you know you are wrong about your first reply and thus resort to imitating me. Nice.
yomama
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People who use AAS on a regular basis and suffer from high BP. What's regular basis? And high blood pressure would have to be long term to cause damage to vessels.The_Heretic said:
http://www.heartpoint.com/highbloodpage.html
I have read your argument over and over but your not qualifying anything you're saying. Yes AS will contribute to stroke if the abuse is long term at high doses. The amount of BP increase in the cycles these guys do doesn't even show up in their physical exams in most cases. The amount of pressure it would take to weaken a health vessel is much higher and takes much longer than the few weeks they are cycling. See: yomama
The way you put your post anyone using AS will have an increase in BP that may result in a stroke. If that were true then an otherwise health vessel would burst simply from someone using dbol for a day. And that's just not going to happen.
The way you put your post anyone using AS will have an increase in BP that may result in a stroke. If that were true then an otherwise health vessel would burst simply from someone using dbol for a day. And that's just not going to happen.
The Heretic1
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Dangerous BP is usually regarded as 140/90. I bet you that almost all users of AAS here, when cycling, have a pressure close to or higher than that. Most people cycle for 8+ weeks. They lift harder and usually more when on thus raising their BP even higher. There are very small vessels in the brain that do burst under higher BP. There are new studies coming out that say if a person's systolic (top number) is between 120-139 they are prehypertensive and at risk. Again, I bet almost everybody here has readings this high when off of cycle. This is weakening their vessels. I was speaking to a cardiologist not even 2 months ago about the new BP levels that are coming out. He said when the new recommendations come out systolic pressure is going to be around 100 and diastolic less than 70.
Long term high BP can cause stroke, kidney damage, blindness etc. How long does BP have to be high before this happens? It could be 1 month, it could be one year. I treated a patient the other day, 22 yr old renal patient. He lost both his kidney's when he was 17. Why? High BP. He's waiting on a kidney transplant so he doesn't have to get hooked up to a machine 3 x's per week 8hrs each day. I have also treated stroke victims, anywhere from 15 to 90 yrs of age that had ICH because of high BP. The 17 yr old I was telling you about was very healthy, into sports etc, not overweight. He was diagnosed with hypertension at 15 yr old. He was non-compliant (he didn't take his BP medicine like he should have) and within two years lost his kidney's and had a stroke. He recovered from the stroke. So you two, who obviously have no medical training can sit there and pat each other on the back all day because you think you know what you are talking about, but , as I wrote in an earlier reply, I've known 3 people that had strokes because of elevated BP caused by AAS. All three died. Period.
Long term high BP can cause stroke, kidney damage, blindness etc. How long does BP have to be high before this happens? It could be 1 month, it could be one year. I treated a patient the other day, 22 yr old renal patient. He lost both his kidney's when he was 17. Why? High BP. He's waiting on a kidney transplant so he doesn't have to get hooked up to a machine 3 x's per week 8hrs each day. I have also treated stroke victims, anywhere from 15 to 90 yrs of age that had ICH because of high BP. The 17 yr old I was telling you about was very healthy, into sports etc, not overweight. He was diagnosed with hypertension at 15 yr old. He was non-compliant (he didn't take his BP medicine like he should have) and within two years lost his kidney's and had a stroke. He recovered from the stroke. So you two, who obviously have no medical training can sit there and pat each other on the back all day because you think you know what you are talking about, but , as I wrote in an earlier reply, I've known 3 people that had strokes because of elevated BP caused by AAS. All three died. Period.
